calmex
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So. You have a plethora.
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I have to stop...
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I had a plethora once. I had two shots of
Penecillin and a round of Keflex and it
went away, leaving just a minor rash for
a few days.
Penecillin and a round of Keflex and it
went away, leaving just a minor rash for
a few days.
Shooting Padre
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Among shooters there are two liars. The guy who said he never horded ammo, and the guy that said he quit.
the ringo kid
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Keep buying .22s, both guns and ammo, gotta support that caliber. 
Next Sat, I'm picking ups crated gsg .22 version of the MP-40. I'm getting a trigger system for it to make it full-auto. I've seen a couple videos of these being fired full-auto, and they preformed flawlessly.
Next Sat, I'm picking ups crated gsg .22 version of the MP-40. I'm getting a trigger system for it to make it full-auto. I've seen a couple videos of these being fired full-auto, and they preformed flawlessly.
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Art Doc
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First of all, I reject the notion that I (or any other buyer) is the problem. The shortage is due to short supplies, not over buying. The stores are not getting even 5% of usual deliveries from suppliers. This is what I have been told by many owners and managers. If they are making it, I don't know where it's going. The retail stores have not been getting it.
Leave it for others? Why? This is not my job. Please note that I have given away 4 or 5,000 rounds including some to a total stranger. I feel I have been plenty generous. I don't sell what I buy for profit at gouger prices. I don't drive from store to store bagging all I can get. I buy when I happen to see some in stock. I have the right to do that just as does everyone else.
Rich? Me? I don't feel rich. I am comfortably middle class and shooting is my hobby so I do spend some money on it. I stay out of debt and don't spend money I don't have or can't afford to spend.
My point is that I really feel like I have way more than enough to last the rest of my life. None of my friends have asked for 22 ammo in a while so maybe I'll get to keep what I have so I don't need to buy just so I can share. Maybe the next time I go to the store I won't walk by the ammo shelf and look...maybe...
Leave it for others? Why? This is not my job. Please note that I have given away 4 or 5,000 rounds including some to a total stranger. I feel I have been plenty generous. I don't sell what I buy for profit at gouger prices. I don't drive from store to store bagging all I can get. I buy when I happen to see some in stock. I have the right to do that just as does everyone else.
Rich? Me? I don't feel rich. I am comfortably middle class and shooting is my hobby so I do spend some money on it. I stay out of debt and don't spend money I don't have or can't afford to spend.
My point is that I really feel like I have way more than enough to last the rest of my life. None of my friends have asked for 22 ammo in a while so maybe I'll get to keep what I have so I don't need to buy just so I can share. Maybe the next time I go to the store I won't walk by the ammo shelf and look...maybe...
Arik
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I don't even know why I keep my around. I shoot 22lr less than my 12G, which is almost never. Someone kept telling me I needed one so I bought it. I find that practice works best with the actual firearm and ammo similar to that used for carry. I have just as much fun shooting a 50bmj as a 38spl so there is no extra reason to have it. Probably sell it and buy a BB gun
While you may choose to reject the notion, it is a fact. The factories are producing .22 at full capacity, yet you still don't see it on the shelves.
You state that you have enough for your lifetime, probably more, yet you still feel compelled to buy your limits whenever possible.
This perverse notion of needing to buy something precisely because it's not in abundance is what's at issue here.
It doesn't matter if you are flipping it, burying it, shooting it, or throwing it away - you are removing it from the retail environment in a manner at odds with the normal supply and demand curves.
Folks are afraid of what they don't know or can't predict, and many seem to be wrapping themselves in a warm security blanket made of .22 rimfire.
As long as this (admittedly) irrational purchasing continues, the situation will not change. Nobody is in a rush to construct new ammo plants over artificial demand for their product.
williamlayton
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I said at the first and still believe it. There was never that much of a shortage. It was a rumor that went ballistic and if everyone had just bought as they would normally there would have never been a problem.
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ChattanoogaPhil
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There was increasing demand prior to the panic.
Rimfire shooting had expanded rapidly with a plethora (I guess that's the new word of the day) of new rimfire guns, particularly replicas of centerfire black guns with large capacity magazines dangling underneath. The economy was soft which pushed even more folks towards less expensive rimfire shooting. Put those factors together and then the threat of another AWB... demand outstripped supply by a wide margin. Retail shelves became empty. Resellers saw opportunity putting even more pressure on retail demand which created panic buying at any cost... and so the story goes.
A couple years later... I see fewer folks at the Club with with their AR style .22s burning through bricks, and rifles like the 15-22 on sale for $299 which used to sell for $500. The economy isn't quite as soft as it has been. Folks say they are seeing more rimfire ammo at retailers and limits being removed. This means that resellers are backing off which will further reduce retail demand... and so the story goes.
Rimfire shooting had expanded rapidly with a plethora (I guess that's the new word of the day
) of new rimfire guns, particularly replicas of centerfire black guns with large capacity magazines dangling underneath. The economy was soft which pushed even more folks towards less expensive rimfire shooting. Put those factors together and then the threat of another AWB... demand outstripped supply by a wide margin. Retail shelves became empty. Resellers saw opportunity putting even more pressure on retail demand which created panic buying at any cost... and so the story goes. A couple years later... I see fewer folks at the Club with with their AR style .22s burning through bricks, and rifles like the 15-22 on sale for $299 which used to sell for $500. The economy isn't quite as soft as it has been. Folks say they are seeing more rimfire ammo at retailers and limits being removed. This means that resellers are backing off which will further reduce retail demand... and so the story goes.
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Got a link for that, or did you just completely make it up?
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Art Doc
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"While you may choose to reject the notion, it is a fact."
Sorry, totally wrong.
I have spoken with a score of store managers and owners who all say the same thing: they are not getting supplied by distributors. The Walmart manager told me he's been getting less than 5% of normal deliveries the past 3 years. Again, not a problem caused by buying, caused by supply.
The shortage IS NOT DUE TO BUYERS GRABBING IT OFF THE SHELF.
The ammo is not getting to the shelf. It's a supply problem, not a demand problem.
I have read the manufacturers claim they are running at full capacity. If true, I have no idea where it is all going. The retail stores are not getting it. Some say the military buys it and gets first dibs. Some say other federal agencies are buying it. I don't know. It's going somewhere other than the retail stores.
Sorry, totally wrong.
I have spoken with a score of store managers and owners who all say the same thing: they are not getting supplied by distributors. The Walmart manager told me he's been getting less than 5% of normal deliveries the past 3 years. Again, not a problem caused by buying, caused by supply.
The shortage IS NOT DUE TO BUYERS GRABBING IT OFF THE SHELF.
The ammo is not getting to the shelf. It's a supply problem, not a demand problem.
I have read the manufacturers claim they are running at full capacity. If true, I have no idea where it is all going. The retail stores are not getting it. Some say the military buys it and gets first dibs. Some say other federal agencies are buying it. I don't know. It's going somewhere other than the retail stores.
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True, it's not getting to the shelves. It's being purchased online. 
Ever wonder how or why large operators like Cabela's have been selling tons of rimfire ammo online over the past couple years but rarely see it in the stores? Cabela's could go to the expense of distribution to hundreds of their stores, inventory, stocking shelves, registers sales.... or.... due to heavy demand just blow it all out of a warehouse with online sales in a few hours and buyers pay the shipping.
As far as Walmart... Walmart beats their suppliers over the head on price. It comes as no surprise to me that when supply is tight due to demand that Walmart store managers are scratching their head why they aren't getting deliveries.
Ever wonder how or why large operators like Cabela's have been selling tons of rimfire ammo online over the past couple years but rarely see it in the stores? Cabela's could go to the expense of distribution to hundreds of their stores, inventory, stocking shelves, registers sales.... or.... due to heavy demand just blow it all out of a warehouse with online sales in a few hours and buyers pay the shipping.
As far as Walmart... Walmart beats their suppliers over the head on price. It comes as no surprise to me that when supply is tight due to demand that Walmart store managers are scratching their head why they aren't getting deliveries.
With all respect, it is a supply problem caused by consumer demand. Here is one of many links that try to explain what is going on.
Page not found - AmmoLand.com Shooting Sports News
Long story short, it boils down to each state getting 460 Bricks of ammo per day. Even a podunk state like Nebraska has more than 460 retailers of 22 ammo. Everyone scarfs up anything they can get due to the panic. More people are shooting. Case in point myself, 10 years ago I rarely shot 22, now I am shooting pistol and revolver in bowling pins. Also add in the rimfire challenge matches which i am told burn up 300 rounds + per match.
Anyway you look at it, the any shortage be it 22 ammo or toilet paper is demand driven.
DeathGrip
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I think there's and ointment on isle 16 just for that condition.
ChattanoogaPhil nailed it.
No conspiracy, no government intervention, no aliens.
No conspiracy, no government intervention, no aliens.
It's not?? I have just over 1000 rounds, and that includes 22 short and some shot cartidges. I feel quite comfortable with it, although I may pick up some CCI Green Tab if I find it. At last count I had 18 22 rifles and pistols. Some of them shown below.
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Fishslayer
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It's out there. CCI has stated that more than once.
Part of the problem is that the machines for rimfire ammo are JUST for that ammo. No changing dies for different calibers. Most companies wouldn't be willing to invest that much in what I'm sure most perceived as a short lived spike in demand. They might be stuck with idle machinery.
I'm not sure if supply ever fully caught up after the '08 election. That's when I started my own panic buying and my local Walmart wasn't fully stocked all the time and I would stop by daily on my way home from work.
It really hit the fan after Sandy Hook. There were tons of .22 rifles sold. All those new toys have to be fed. Pretty sure a good percentage of the new panic buyers discovered what we've known for a long time. Shooting is fun!
