I hope there was a very good reason.....

[susieqz]

i repeat. gary willis was a martyr n hero.
he died defending his second amendment rights.
the seizure was unconstitutional n he was within his rights.
his only fault is that he didn;t practice enow.

 

[jessebogan]

I will say this. The supposedly Republican Governor of Maryland pushed for this law, and signed it literally surrounded by The Moms who Get No Action. With a smile on his face.
In the first month there have been 114 Red Flag orders applied for, in Maryland, a small state. No one has reported on how many have been granted.
Like reported above, the cops came, and interacted with the deceased the previous night, and left without incident. At 5:17 AM, the cops were banging at his door. I would answer my door armed at that hour as well.
Remember this. This man had not been accused of a crime, and the police were not there to arrest him. They were there to seize his property with no trace of due process what so ever. Seems to me that this is blatantly unconstitutional.
I do not blame the cops really. Governor Hogan and the anti gun MGA are entirely to blame here. They do have blood on their hands.

 

[The Big D]

Huh?

Not sure what ‘he didn;t practice enow.’ means but I truly hope it’s not what I think.

i repeat. gary willis was a martyr n hero.
he died defending his second amendment rights.
the seizure was unconstitutional n he was within his rights.
his only fault is that he didn;t practice enow.

 

[tlawler]

Call me a chicken, maybe...

I’ll probably take some flak for this, but...
It all comes down to making a choice between your guns or your family. If I was put in a similar situation as Mr. Willis, there is no way in hell I’m going to throw my life away and go down in a blaze of glory in a gunfight with LEOs over something that can be fought out in a court of law. Just remember that you’re not just throwing your life away, you’re bringing extreme hardship on your family, not to mention the families of any officers that you may have killed. Can you imagine how your wife and kids would be treated after you did something like that? My kids go to school with many LEOs kids, they have birthday parties and sleep overs with them. Several officers have known my wife since they went to school together. I’ll say it again: the officers are not there on their own volition trying to take your guns, they are just the messengers and enforcers. Your fight is at a later date with the courts. And so they damage your guns! So what! Guns are just inanimate objects that can be replaced. I would rather lose my guns than bring that on my family. My opinion of Mr. Willis was that he did a very foolish thing and did not help further our cause at all; conversely he may have damaged it.

 

[sar4937]

Public and internet polls are purposely posing the questions in way that would suggest we are all in favor of these red flag enforcements. "For their own safety" appears to be justification around here. That can mean literally anything, and when police actually come to your door people overreact easily, making themselves fit the description. We have a menacing law, and a neighbor could easily bring the police down on you.

 

[mbliss57]

This case and MD red flag law is discussed at length in the 2nd Amendment sub-forum.

 

[susieqz]

i see most of you would surrender your arms without a fight.
looks like it will be easy to disarm this country when they decide to do so.

sad.

 

[Rastoff]

Yes, very sad isn't it? That's how we got where we are now.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Below find Mr. Willis's obituary. Hopefully, he has found peace. Interestingly (only to me, maybe), it makes no mention of a traditional job, unless his playing guitar amounted to an actual career, which it generally doesn't. It further contains what I think to be more than one clue to the investigation of this incident.

Obituary for Gary Jay Willis | Fink Funeral Home

 

[beach elvis]

I guess what has me the most curious is the emphasis on confiscation the guns of (assumingly) law abiding citizens in the overall mix.

Shouldn’t a name on the list of known gang members be an automatic red flag order? If so, there are no news reports that I’m aware of about police having gone to conduct any confiscations among them.

 

[Cardboard_killer]

you guys can be critical all you want but the fact stands that gary willis was a martyr.
.

To be a martyr requires sacrifice. This guy sacrificed nothing, will be unremembered except as a bad memory for the poor LEO that has to live with defending his life by killing someone that was trying to kill him.

If you are suggesting that killing LEOs is preferable to court fights, then you should be disarmed. We are a nation of laws, not of terrorism.

 

[bgrone]

Well armed

I live in a rural area, all of my closest neighbors are well armed, I may have firearms as well (barring an unfortunate boating accident). This seems to be a good thing for our immediate area, as burglary incidents are relatively rare compared similarly situated areas in our county. That being said ones 2a rights only extend to the point where they present a clear danger to another’s safety (a very important right).

Just as people abdicate their right to freedom by certain acts or behaviors so may their 2a rights be suspended when they violate the rights of others.

I am glad that I don’t have to be the one who decides when that line is crossed , but there cases where action must be taken.

We may never know all the factors in the Gary Willis case, so I will neither judge him a martyr or fool.

 

[tlawler]

Below find Mr. Willis's obituary. Hopefully, he has found peace. Interestingly (only to me, maybe), it makes no mention of a traditional job, unless his playing guitar amounted to an actual career, which it generally doesn't. It further contains what I think to be more than one clue to the investigation of this incident.

Obituary for Gary Jay Willis | Fink Funeral Home

I find that interesting as well. Usually one’s career figures prominently in their obituary.