Arik
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There's a lot of choices other than sitting home or going to the bar.
No kidding?! Guess you didn't read the other part. My point is you'll run into them or those types everywhere
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No kidding?! Guess you didn't read the other part. My point is you'll run into them or those types everywhere
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I agree, you may run into idiots just about anywhere these
days. In my senior years now I rarely go to bars anymore
but I have no qualms about going in for a sandwich and drink
if I want to. But there is one thing I have noticed over the
years in general that relates to closing one bar and going to
another. It seems that in most public gathering places the
prudent people tend to leave before the last minute. As it
gets later and later in bars or shopping malls or wherever
the general atmosphere tends to slide downhill. Better to
be one of those who departs a bit too early than a bit too
late in my opinion.
Illini_Glock
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I've read the original post a few times and there are a lot of things that bug me. First is telling someone that the OP barely knows that he's carrying a gun. Not the smartest thing to do. 2nd, I may be wrong but upon basic review, it's still illegal in Georgia (I believe that's where the OP is) to carry in a bar. It doesn't seem too far a stretch that this situation is not nearly as volatile without the weapon in a place where inhibitions are being removed.
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I'll agree with you on that one, but in a way I lead a "sheltered life." My 'crew' are all first responders of one sort or another, mainly cops though and other than a few exceptions to the rule, pretty well "screened."
Protected One
Member
True. Just as you can run into a criminal everywhere...its just more likelly at a prison.
Just a trifle undercooked
venomballistics
Member
its about the odds.
You could possibly fall victim to radiation poisoning today. Not very likely, but it could happen somewhere in the fraction of the last percentile in the statistic.
This probability rises if your environment is a nuclear facility, and perhaps further rises with the type of nuclear facility.
Likewise, environment effects the probability of contact with the violent criminal demographic.
If you are sitting in a church on any given Sunday, some, from that demographic may very well be in the same room as you.
in the prior Saturday night, at the bar, the probability shifts to near certainty.
feralmerril
Absent Comrade
Fifty years ago I knew this guy that just got discharged as a AF pilot. He was waiting to go on a airline where he just got accepted. Now I only say this only to point out he wasnt a bum, gang banger or a low brow type.
I got off at midnight, changed cloths and met him at a topless bar in north hollywood. It was real close to closeing and we both ordered a drink. I chugged mine down but he nursed his. The place was almost empty except for another table with three or four guys sitting at it and it was evident they were regulars that knew the bartender. I dont think we had our drinks but a minuet or two when the bartender came back to get the glass`s as he said he had to close. My buddy hadnt even started his drink but my glass was empty. My buddy just said something like, "Hey guy, you just gave me the drink". The bartender read more than that into it and mouthed off I will do anything I need to to get drink! Then he hollered to one of his buddys at the table, "Tony, I need a little help here!" All four guys got up and braced us. This was fifty years ago and in those days I could be a fighter. I didnt say a word to my friend or the bar keep but got up to back up my friend. It was his play and I was just as ready to fight or leave. My buddy just got up and told me lets go and headed for the door so I followed him out. I lived only a couple blocks away so told my friend lets go to my place, I have a bottle there.
He followed me home and we had a drink. He went to the bathroom and a few minuets later I had to go too. When I walked to the bathroom I noticed my revolver was out of my holster where I had stashed my gunbelt above my uniform!
I went back in the living room and he was making to leave. I knew darn well he must have my gun hid under his sports coat! I also knew he probley was going back to that bar! I tried to stall and keep him from leaving as I started talking about flying as I was a student pilot in those days. I had made up my mind to stall him hoping the people in the bar would be gone if I couldn't pull off the sucker punch I had in mind. He was really wanting to leave so I was just getting ready to throw a haymaker and he sensed it! He reached under his sport coat, pulled my gun from his back and I was looking at my gun! He calmly reversed it and handed it to me! He said "it aint worth it, is it? Yeah, I was going to go back there and settle things!"
It wasnt just a short time later that he was friends with the bartender, the guys that braced us and had the best looking stripper at the club!
Always wondered what happened to him. Last I knew he flew for american airlines. He probley retired about 25 years ago. The name of the bar was "The cockpit". It was near LAT airport.
I got off at midnight, changed cloths and met him at a topless bar in north hollywood. It was real close to closeing and we both ordered a drink. I chugged mine down but he nursed his. The place was almost empty except for another table with three or four guys sitting at it and it was evident they were regulars that knew the bartender. I dont think we had our drinks but a minuet or two when the bartender came back to get the glass`s as he said he had to close. My buddy hadnt even started his drink but my glass was empty. My buddy just said something like, "Hey guy, you just gave me the drink". The bartender read more than that into it and mouthed off I will do anything I need to to get drink! Then he hollered to one of his buddys at the table, "Tony, I need a little help here!" All four guys got up and braced us. This was fifty years ago and in those days I could be a fighter. I didnt say a word to my friend or the bar keep but got up to back up my friend. It was his play and I was just as ready to fight or leave. My buddy just got up and told me lets go and headed for the door so I followed him out. I lived only a couple blocks away so told my friend lets go to my place, I have a bottle there.
He followed me home and we had a drink. He went to the bathroom and a few minuets later I had to go too. When I walked to the bathroom I noticed my revolver was out of my holster where I had stashed my gunbelt above my uniform!
I went back in the living room and he was making to leave. I knew darn well he must have my gun hid under his sports coat! I also knew he probley was going back to that bar! I tried to stall and keep him from leaving as I started talking about flying as I was a student pilot in those days. I had made up my mind to stall him hoping the people in the bar would be gone if I couldn't pull off the sucker punch I had in mind. He was really wanting to leave so I was just getting ready to throw a haymaker and he sensed it! He reached under his sport coat, pulled my gun from his back and I was looking at my gun! He calmly reversed it and handed it to me! He said "it aint worth it, is it? Yeah, I was going to go back there and settle things!"
It wasnt just a short time later that he was friends with the bartender, the guys that braced us and had the best looking stripper at the club!
Always wondered what happened to him. Last I knew he flew for american airlines. He probley retired about 25 years ago. The name of the bar was "The cockpit". It was near LAT airport.
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Please take this with offense, but this kind of conversation makes the forum look bad.
You have exercised bad judgment in carrying a gun and drinking or being in a bar at that hour with a gun, furthermore your buddy is bad company.
I think you are wrong headed in a lot of ways.
You have exercised bad judgment in carrying a gun and drinking or being in a bar at that hour with a gun, furthermore your buddy is bad company.
I think you are wrong headed in a lot of ways.
Rastoff
US Veteran
I disagree. I think this makes the forum look good. Here's why...
A guy comes here looking for advice. Maybe he's new to carrying concealed. He tells us a story with many flaws in it. Forum members respond without looking down on him and offer up some great advice. The OP reads and heeds the advice. He learns from his mistakes and we learn from his mistakes. By having a calm, gentlemanly discussion we all get better for it.
I'm glad he came here with this and I'm thankful for most of the responses and the OP's attitude toward learning. I think it makes us and the forum better for the experience.
Protected One
Member
I disagree. People exercise poor judgment all the time...and many of them are older than 25. The fact that it's being discussed (here) makes the forum look "good" - not bad. It demonstrates that there is someplace to go for sound advice and learning. The ABSENCE of such a place would be the bigger shame.
speedyquad
Member
so teaching right from wrong and "proper concealed carry protocol" is bad?
people learn from mistakes, both their own and those of others. this forum has used a potentially bad situation from someone who was unaware of their improper actions and used it as a positive learning experience without argument or insult, for the most part. i fail to see how this is detrimental to this forum. this is why i enjoy this forum more than others i have visited where arguments and insults are a daily "show".
venomballistics
Member
I disagree. People exercise poor judgment all the time...and many of them are older than 25. The fact that it's being discussed (here) makes the forum look "good" - not bad. It demonstrates that there is someplace to go for sound advice and learning. The ABSENCE of such a place would be the bigger shame.
exactly ...
he screwed up in a fair handful of ways.
Some, he figured out, others we pointed out.
At the end of the day, we saved him some time on the learning curve.
Given that some points lay at the foundation of fatal mistakes, we may have helped him avoid a future prison sentence.
Sure, It got a little messy back there, but I think most of it mopped up fairly well
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I didn't get into a situation in a bar, but I did make the mistake of telling a friend I got a CWP. Friend has sometimes referred to this in locations and among people I would prefer not to know that I carry. I think I've gotten friend to understand not to talk about it, and I don't discuss it with anyone anymore outside of the range or educational gun class situation.
Also found out spouse was talking about it at work. I asked him not to, and spouse has stopped. If someone wants to see my firearm, he or she can accompany me to the range. It is not a toy to show off. And if I need to use it, I want the bad guys to think that I'm just a clueless, sweet lady who poses no threat--until after I have chosen to take action.
I'll always walk away from a situation, if I can.
Also found out spouse was talking about it at work. I asked him not to, and spouse has stopped. If someone wants to see my firearm, he or she can accompany me to the range. It is not a toy to show off. And if I need to use it, I want the bad guys to think that I'm just a clueless, sweet lady who poses no threat--until after I have chosen to take action.
I'll always walk away from a situation, if I can.
Erich
Member
Sheesh: been there, amiga. Gun friends even do this, sometimes. I've actually decided a couple friends were too idiotic to see socially after a couple such incidents.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Yep, this can always be a problem. We want to talk about our accomplishments and getting a concealed permit is a goal for many people so, they talk about it. Often we find, too late, that those we tell are not discrete.
The best way to keep a secret is to not tell anyone.
I have a friend who carries and we've been to a couple classes together. One day, while I was teaching a range orientation class, he said to the class, "Both he and I are carrying now" which didn't sit well with me.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Yes, these experiences are why I had a conversation with my wife and son. They know I carry, but I've asked them not to tell anyone at any time. They both agree that is a wise choice.
Under the right circumstances I would tell someone. I will always follow that with, the statement that it's neither polite nor wise to tell anyone else.
Under the right circumstances I would tell someone. I will always follow that with, the statement that it's neither polite nor wise to tell anyone else.
sac-gunslinger
Member
We appreciate your desire to improve. Those of us who have carried for years have made many of the same mistakes (and worse!) but we just ain't willin' to admit it. Thanks for sharing.
BTW, there are times even my wife does not know if I am carrying. Nor do I know when she is carrying.
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