I told the NRA today I agree with background checks

[bushmaster1313]

So, am I allowed to cross into Ohio, buy a gun under Ohio rules, and legally own that gun in PA?

Be very careful


If you go to another state you can only buy a long gun and only through an FFL with a NICS check, and you must be allowed to own that gun under your state's laws. So, for example, if a resident of New Jersey goes to buy a long gun in New Jersey, the buyer must fill out a "New Jersey Certificate of Eligibility." Under federal law, the out of state FFL is presumed to know the laws of the buyer's state.

Under no circumstances can you go to another state and come back with a handgun, although you can pay for it and have the seller ship it to your instate FFL for transfer under your state law with a NICS check

 

[tyusclan]

If the gun you sold is then used in the commission of a crime and the serial number run, who is the gun registered to?

No one. Florida does not have gun 'registration'.

 

[johngalt]

Wow, this thread lost me a long time ago! I need to ask one simple question. Here in PA. we have a mandatory background check when buying a handgun. There is no other legal way here in PA. to buy one. There's no such thing as a "face to face" sale, period. ALL sales must go through a person with an ATF license and a background check must take place. The cost of this check is I believe $5.00. This check was instituted years ago after the PA. State Police tried to create a registry. The courts told them a registry was against the law. This check, combined with all the info on the gun you are buying, is actually a backdoor to a registry - they created their registry anyway. Is it not like this in other states? Are you telling me there are states where two people can actually just meet and buy / sell a handgun? Someone please set me straight on this once and for all.

Yes, in most states private individuals can conduct private sales, no FFL must be involved nor background checks performed.

 

[cmort666]

So, am I allowed to cross into Ohio, buy a gun under Ohio rules, and legally own that gun in PA? What happens if I decide to sell the gun off a year or so later here in PA? Once they do the background check (which like I said includes info on the gun) on the buyer and the serial number etc. goes in, does the gun show an owner who it was registered to at one time or another?

Another thing - we can't mail a gun to anyone. We have to take it to an FFL holder and they have to send it to another FFL holder. Is Ohio like that also?

Unless I'm mistaken, FEDERAL law forbids unlicensed interstate transfers of handguns. To buy a handgun out of state, you need to go through an FFL.

Other than NFA items at the Federal level, there is NO registration ANYWHERE in Ohio by virtue of state preemption. There is NO state maintained information regarding what firearms are owned by whom, and nobody else is permitted to do so. In PA there is the sales database that's "not a registry" but IS a registry since the police routinely treat it as one.

The PA system is a deeply flawed one that has repeatedly been abused by cops who unlawfully confiscate firearms lawfully not in the "non-registry" registry. We're completely uninterested in going down that road.

 

[cmort666]

Depending on Ohio and Pennsylvania law, (and I don't know what it is) you may be able to purchase a long gun from a dealer in Ohio and take it back to Penn.

I've done the reverse several times at the PGCA.

 

[cmort666]

And it seems to me that some have lived under tyranny for so long they think it's normal, and have forgotten what freedom smells like.

When I visited my family in Chicago for the first time in thirteen years in '99, and the subject of guns came up, they asked me if my guns were "registered". They were astonished that there were NEITHER licenses nor registration. They were REALLY astonished that I could actually defend myself OUTSIDE of my home.

 

[redlevel]

If the gun you sold is then used in the commission of a crime and the serial number run, who is the gun registered to?

What is this "registration" of which you speak?
We ain't got none of it here in Georgia.

 

[LouisianaJoe]

So Joe and Art what you're saying is that because I recently joined this particular forum I shouldn't exercise my first amendment rights? Or I shouldn't share an opinion? I joined because I am a fan of smith and Wesson and their products. Some people think its a give an inch they'll take a mile situation. Maybe it's give an inch and get that inch back.

When the AR ban came back to vote the lack of changes in crime rates led it to be voted out and we got back the ability to purchase ARs which will probably stick and not go through congress. We have to look at every solution and potential outcome with an open mind. Immediately dismissing any idea prematurely is simply ignorance.

You have the right to your opinion and your 1st Amendment rights. We have the right to be suspicious of the motive of anyone that wants to give the government more control of our 2nd Amendment rights and more ability to track where the guns are to confiscate.

I have seen too many blogs where the poster tries to sound "reasonable" while trying to convince us that they are on our side when they are not.

This administration has a record of deceiving the public and then passing unacceptable legislation behind closed doors or passing it at the last minute without allowing amendments. It does not have our best interest as a priority.

 

[harrison12]

Not sayin' anything about what course you will all decide because it's your country and none of my business.

Just wanted to say that with the system we have here, background checks aren't required every time you purchase a gun. You take or challenge a basic safety/knowledge course and when you pass you get a background/criminal record check done before they issue you a licence. First time you wait 28 days before it will be issued. The licence is good for five years, like a driver's licence that you carry around with you and show when you're buying a gun or ammo, but a valid licence is all the seller needs to see proof of before you buy. Commit a crime and you'll likely lose your licence so no more legal gun buying.

Not going to get into the whole restricted and prohibited hand gun classification we have because some of the categorizing doesn't make much sense. The paperwork for handguns can get tedious and take a awhile but there is no fee for transfers and permits -just a lot of bureaucracy that could benefit from some streamlining.

On the bright side, at least we don't have a long gun registry anymore.

 

[leswad]

Are you telling me there are states where two people can actually just meet and buy / sell a handgun? Someone please set me straight on this once and for all.

Before the recent attack on my rights, I actually bought an AR15 off of the hood of an on duty police officer under the glow of his spotlight. I went to show him my CCW to prove my background and he said no need, which I thought was strange until a few minutes later it occurred to me he had already run my plates.

 

[PA Reb]

Alot of useful information. Thanks all!

 

[redlevel]

Before the recent attack on my rights, I actually bought an AR15 off of the hood of an on duty police officer under the glow of his spotlight. I went to show him my CCW to prove my background and he said no need, which I thought was strange until a few minutes later it occurred to me he had already run my plates.

I bought my Model 60 from a Georgia Revenue Officer at a peach packing shed of all places. I jokingly told him my Granddaddy would roll in his grave if he knew I was dealing with a "revenoor." I asked him if he wanted to see my GWL. He said "nah, you look honest."

 

[ogilvyspecial]

I bought my Model 60 from a Georgia Revenue Officer at a peach packing shed of all places. I jokingly told him my Granddaddy would roll in his grave if he knew I was dealing with a "revenoor." I asked him if he wanted to see my GWL. He said "nah, you look honest."

I bought my Model 66 from a Sgt. of a Detroit suburb PD and when he told me where
to meet him, an isolated industrial area, I told him what I would be driving.

He responded with, "I'll be the one in a po-leece car."

 

[Rule 303]

Me, I believe Universal Back Ground checks for Face to Face gun sales are an infringement of my Civil Rights to sell my lawfully owned property.

But we have lots of Fudds out there who have no conception of Fundemental Constitutional Rights.

Fudds will be the death of us.

Me, I won't buy from an individual unless he shows me a photo ID and I keep the informations with my gun records.

Rule 303

 

[Cavere]

You have the right to your opinion and your 1st Amendment rights. We have the right to be suspicious of the motive of anyone that wants to give the government more control of our 2nd Amendment rights and more ability to track where the guns are to confiscate.

I have seen too many blogs where the poster tries to sound "reasonable" while trying to convince us that they are on our side when they are not.

This administration has a record of deceiving the public and then passing unacceptable legislation behind closed doors or passing it at the last minute without allowing amendments. It does not have our best interest as a priority.

Joe I am not posting to convince anyone that they should believe what I do. I was mearly stating what I believe to show a side that is out there and supporting bushmaster who was getting attacked.

All administrations have history of such practices. But I believe myself to simply be a responsible gun owner who happens to be a liberal and share the opinion with a minority of other responsible gun owners. Just as with religion I don't think people should be attacked on differences because beliefs can be personal. But we should all recognize that there is a spectrum of beliefs and take a serious look at all options.

 

[cmort666]

But I believe myself to simply be a responsible gun owner who happens to be a liberal and share the opinion with a minority of other responsible gun owners.

I'm a liberal and I'm not buying any of this "compromise" gibberish. Gun control is pure jackboot ideology and there's no more compromising with it than Mordechai Anilewicz was going to compromise with Juergen Stroop.

You're not talking about personal choice. You're talking about government force pointed directly at MY head to IMPOSE what you support. You get to choose for yourself. You DON'T get to force those choices on ME at gunpoint, and that's EXACTLY what you and the rest of the non-gun owning "reasonable gun owners" who get trotted out by the other side want.

For anti-gunners there's no "compromise", only abject submission or compulsion at gunpoint. Your "reasonable gun safety" laws are merely this generation's version of the Fugitive Slave Law. People said "NO" to that and we're saying no to this act of oppression.

Don't play the "opinion" game. This is about force, violence and making people do what you want at gunpoint.

 

[Denver Dick]

Universal background checks are probably in the cards over the next year or two. However, make them fight for it. Keep in mind that what they really want is to disarm all civilians. They do not believe that there is any need for private citizens to own firearms. They are attacking what they view as the huge second amendment octopus -- one leg at a time. If you rollover and "give" them the universal background check, they will be back tomorrow wanting to ban assault weapons. When they get those, they will be back the next day wanting all semi-automatic pistols. When they check those off, they will target semi-automatic long guns, etc, etc. Always keep in mind, they will never be satified until all firearms are out of private hands, that includes your five-shot revolver, bolt action rifle, and double barrel shotgun . . . even though they aren't saying that now.

When dealing with this issue keep in mind the following: 1) Know thy enemy, and 2) Better to fight your enemy on the beach rather than inland, inland rather than your town, your town rather than your backyard, and it is definitely better to fight them in your backyard rather than in your living room.

Now, if their goal was truly to restrict access to firearms by felons and crazy people and protect children, you could sit down with them and discuss possiblities. However, when their ultimate goal is the disarmament of all, we must fight them all the way. Be careful when you find yourself saying, "Gee, that seems somewhat reasonable, why not?" The answer is, "Because they will never be satisfied, it will only embolden them." Even if it appears inevitable, make them FIGHT FOR IT.

FWIW JMHO based on my 61 years on this earth. Ask yourself, have they ever been satisfied? You know the answer to that, don't you?

 

[Kanewpadle]

Joe I am not posting to convince anyone that they should believe what I do. I was mearly stating what I believe to show a side that is out there and supporting bushmaster who was getting attacked.

All administrations have history of such practices. But I believe myself to simply be a responsible gun owner who happens to be a liberal and share the opinion with a minority of other responsible gun owners. Just as with religion I don't think people should be attacked on differences because beliefs can be personal. But we should all recognize that there is a spectrum of beliefs and take a serious look at all options.

My definition of a "responsible gun owner" is one that supports and defends the second amendment. Period. No gray area. No compromise.

A "serious look at all options?". There are no options. There is simply one choice. And that choice is to leave us the hell alone!!

The ultimate goal of gun grabbers is to totally disarm us a little at a time. They hate guns and think nobody in their right mind needs one. They insist on forcing their way of thinking on us. They know that bans don't work. They know background checks don't work. And they know high cap magazine limits don't work either. They know that these are just temporary measures to slow us down so they can get a leg up on us.

This country was built on many freedoms. The freedom of choice and to believe what you like. The freedom of speech and assembly. By owning guns we are expressing those rights not only under the second amendment, but other amendments also.

So to slowly lose the right to own and bear arms is also the slow, sure way to lose freedom.

If people don't like it, they need to move to another country. Us gun lovers were here first.

 

[71firebird400]

In Washington state they collect sales tax on transferred firearms (when bought out of state); as far as I know no other state does that. If a "background check", and thus an FFL transfer, is required for every person to person transaction I can see our state taxing those purchases as well.

 

[Silversmok3]

Joe I am not posting to convince anyone that they should believe what I do. I was mearly stating what I believe to show a side that is out there and supporting bushmaster who was getting attacked.

All administrations have history of such practices. But I believe myself to simply be a responsible gun owner who happens to be a liberal and share the opinion with a minority of other responsible gun owners. Just as with religion I don't think people should be attacked on differences because beliefs can be personal. But we should all recognize that there is a spectrum of beliefs and take a serious look at all options.

You will not like the following. If you're honest about believing in a "spectrum of beliefs", you'll be mature enough to rebut me in an intellectually honest manner, one devoid of ad hominems and a posse of strawman arguments .

When it comes to gun control, there is no debate any more then there's a debate regarding gravity. Throw a ceramic plate off the top of the Empire State Building, and it will shatter when it hits bottom. There is no multi-cultural viewpoint which will cause it to remain intact when it hits the pavement.

Gun control policy is a failure. That is not an opinion any more then the Earth rotating around the Sun is up to personal belief. There are reams of data which backs that up.

You can choose to believe what you wish. If you go about your day convinced the Sun revolves around the Earth, there's nothing I will do to change your mind. The Earth will rotate regardless of your opinion, and so we similarly hold true to the facts of the 2nd Amendment.