I told the NRA today I agree with background checks

[Kanewpadle]

I support them, too. I suspect the majority of gun owners do, as well. members of this forum are not representaive of the gun owners in general, and certainly not the general public. I guarentee it passes. Only problem is how to enforce it. Say they pass it starting April 1, 2013. How would they know if I sold a gun without a check after April 1st, 2013? If the gun I sell was bought by me in a private sale, it's not even associated with me.

Maybe the NRA could play it smart and try to use the inevitable background check laws to their advantage. Pass a reciprocal permit program so law abiding citizens can legally carry state to state. Allow private sales, BUT require a bill of sale with the buyer's permit number. He's already passed the check to buy a gun. No overload of the NICS system, and the NRA doesn't come off as being so obstinate and hated by so many.

We can argue this all we want, but Newtown changed the game.

OMG!!!

You can't be serious!!

Do you realize what it would take to put such a program in place?! YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!

Think the background check will include mental evaluations in
one form or another? So now we have invasion of privacy and another hoop to jump through!!

You people aren't thinking clearly and rationally. I'm done with this nonsense.

 

[cmort666]

I support them, too. I suspect the majority of gun owners do, as well. members of this forum are not representaive of the gun owners in general, and certainly not the general public. I guarentee it passes. Only problem is how to enforce it. Say they pass it starting April 1, 2013. How would they know if I sold a gun without a check after April 1st, 2013? If the gun I sell was bought by me in a private sale, it's not even associated with me.

The ONLY way it can be enforced is with registration.

Registration has no REAL purpose beyond facilitation of future confiscation.

That means you support future confiscation when the propitious moment arises.

NO, I REFUSE.

 

[zoom6zoom]

No matter how innocuous a regulation may seem, it's the death of a thousand cuts and the camel's nose under the tent.

 

[cmort666]

You people aren't thinking clearly and rationally. I'm done with this nonsense.

Some people ARE thinking... they're just thinking of how to achieve an entirely DIFFERENT goal from the one YOU probably intend.

It's hardly surprising that you and Jeffrey Dahmer might not necessarily mean the same thing when you say "dinner guest"...

 

[kbm6893]

OMG!!!

You can't be serious!!

Do you realize what it would take to put such a program in place?! YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!

Think the background check will include mental evaluations in
one form or another? So now we have invasion of privacy and another hoop to jump through!!

You people aren't thinking clearly and rationally. I'm done with this nonsense.

it will cost NOTHING. Say you have a North Carolina permit. You want to visit a friend in NJ. You take your gun. A friend decides he wants to buy it while you are there. You write up a bill of sale, include his permit number and state on it, and he leaves with the gun. if it ever turns up at a crime scene, and the cops come calling, you show them the bill of sale and you are covered.

My tax dollars go to a lot worse things then this. I'm OK with it.

 

[Kanewpadle]

it will cost NOTHING. Say you have a North Carolina permit. You want to visit a friend in NJ. You take your gun. A friend decides he wants to buy it while you are there. You write up a bill of sale, include his permit number and state on it, and he leaves with the gun. if it ever turns up at a crime scene, and the cops come calling, you show them the bill of sale and you are covered.

My tax dollars go to a lot worse things then this. I'm OK with it.

Your dreaming buddy. Nice dream but that's all it is. THEY will never go along with it!!

 

[cmort666]

it will cost NOTHING. Say you have a North Carolina permit.

A "permit" for WHAT???

In Ohio, the ONLY gun related "permit" or "license" is the Ohio Concealed Handgun License, necessary ONLY to carry a concealed handgun or a loaded handgun in a vehicle.

Are you now advocating "permits" for firearms ownership?

 

[kbm6893]

A "permit" for WHAT???

In Ohio, the ONLY gun related "permit" or "license" is the Ohio Concealed Handgun License, necessary ONLY to carry a concealed handgun or a loaded handgun in a vehicle.

Are you now advocating "permits" for firearms ownership?

I'm advocating them for private sales. if you don't want to get a CCW permit, then you go through an FFL. My wife has a CCW. Doesn't really like guns and doesn't carry one. She's shot my revolver a few times and is capable of hitting a torso at 10 yards. About all I can get out of her.

And the benefit would be people WITH CCW's can cross state lines without being felons, AND it would increase the amount of CCW holders in the US.

 

[kbm6893]

Your dreaming buddy. Nice dream but that's all it is. THEY will never go along with it!!

Maybe they wouldn't. But at least it would take some of the stink off the NRA. They could say "the feds don't want to implement a way to assure a private sale goes through to only legal buyers".

Either way, private sales ARE going to be banned. Newtown made Aurora and Virginia Tech look like a picnic.

 

[Silversmok3]

it will cost NOTHING. Say you have a North Carolina permit. You want to visit a friend in NJ. You take your gun. A friend decides he wants to buy it while you are there. You write up a bill of sale, include his permit number and state on it, and he leaves with the gun. if it ever turns up at a crime scene, and the cops come calling, you show them the bill of sale and you are covered.

My tax dollars go to a lot worse things then this. I'm OK with it.

Lets come back to Reality.

New Jersey, Illinois, New York State, California, and probably a few others I've forgotten about are the most retrograde states regarding gun laws. They're afflicted with a population of spineless wimps walking about in adult bodies, and in turn they've voted people like themselves into office as Representatives . These people would sooner nuke their own state capitol then acknowledge the 2nd Amendment in any practical sense.

Realistically, America will cease to be the United States in all but the name.

Its happening now , in point of fact. Go visit someone in New Jersey, then fly out to Wyoming. You'll feel like you just crossed a national border somewhere, and in all honesty that's exactly what's happened. There's less in common between a resident of Montana and a New Yorker then we share with Iraqis. We have states like WY and MT passing laws denying Federal authority, and others like NY and CA all but lighting the Constitution at a state funded bonfire and dancing in the flames.

For those reasons, truly nationwide CCW will forever remain a pipe dream. Even police officers can't carry in every state in America without risk of trouble, and LEOSA is Federal law!

 

[cmort666]

I'm advocating them for private sales. if you don't want to get a CCW permit, then you go through an FFL.

Ah, I see.

NO.

I do however find it amusing that you think that the other side, which doesn't want shall issue CCW AT ALL, is going to do something to make it EASIER to carry a gun across state lines.

 

[cmort666]

Go visit someone in New Jersey, then fly out to Wyoming. You'll feel like you just crossed a national border somewhere, and in all honesty that's exactly what's happened.

More like a boundary between parallel universes.

A few weeks ago, my cousin in Apartheid Chicago asked me if I were ever moving back there. I told her that the place and the people living there were as alien to me as North Koreans. Actually, they're MORE alien, since when they get the chance, North Koreans LEAVE.

 

[cmort666]

Maybe they wouldn't. But at least it would take some of the stink off the NRA.

In what "Fringe"-like alternate universe?

Anti-gunners FEAR AND HATE the NRA precisely because it fights FOR lawful gun ownership. NOTHING ON EARTH is going to change that other than the NRA NOT fighting for lawful gun ownership. Anybody who says different either knows NOTHING about the other side, OR knows but doesn't want the average gun owner to know.

Either way, private sales ARE going to be banned.

Nah, I don't want to.

 

[photobiker]

I haven't read all 329 post, scanned a lot of them, but i am a firm believer of private sales. From my prospective I am a buyer not a seller. Guy lost his job and needs a few bucks and wants to sell a rifle or hand gun. I'm going to drag him down to who know where to a background check, on me. Nope, he's going to sell it to who knows who on the street for less than what I would have paid him. An honest person, us, will give him a fair price for what he is offering v.s. the guy on the street that will give him pocket change and turn around and sell it to who knows to do what with. Comes down to the fact that a honest person will give them a fair price and keep it out of he hands of people that may not be the most ethical.

 

[cmort666]

Comes down to the fact that a honest person will give them a fair price and keep it out of he hands of people that may not be the most ethical.

The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of those pushing "universal" background checks, ESPECIALLY so-called "gun owners" online are doing so SOLELY as a way to slide REGISTRATION through without anyone noticing. They know that without registration, you can't have effective CONFISCATION.

And that is EXACTLY what they want, CONFISCATION at a future date.

 

[oldRoger]

Never let a crisis go to waste!

I have followed thread this with growing disbelief. The advocates of Universal Federal Background Checks astonish me.

A quick question; Do you like to have public policy, especially policy restricting your freedom, based upon the solution to a problem? Or is it mainly about feeling that something ought to be done, and clearly background checks are "something".

If you vote for responsive policy, please tell me what problem federally mandated universal background checks addresses?

Absolutely none of the recent episodes of mass violence involved in any way the absence of a background check or a private sale.
Therefore this policy proposal must address some other problem which is left unstated.

A mandatory federal requirement restricting my performance of a lawful act is a powerful prior restraint. There must be some overwhelming public need for this restraint. Moreover, you need to show how this restraint will serve the public purpose. If my rights are to be infringed the public good must be commiserate with the infringement.

Some here have a touching if naïve faith that a bureaucratic records check would make a difference in violent crimes. Naturally many guns used in intercity crimes exchange hands "privately" one felon to another. This will continue it is already very illegal.
We have not determined any way to keep dangerous objects out of the hands of the violently mentally ill among us; in fact we cannot begin to identify them, so how will a records check serve us here?

Of course the POTUS's number of 40% as a reflection of private firearms sales is a nonsense number it is based on a 20 year old Bloomberg phone survey.
A moment's reflection about how anyone could possibly determine the proper number should clear your thinking. You have no idea how many guns are bought and sold privately because of course these sales are private. Any speculation on a percentage is just that.

I can and have sold far more dangerous items privately than firearms without a background check as have most of you. How about selling a car or chainsaw without a background check?

So we come to the real Government Purpose here; to either end all private sales, or to make sure that they are recorded. The progressives have told us over and over that all sales should be recorded. Let us take them at their word; their aim is registration.

Finally will any of this prevent another Sandy Hook? Of course not, the legally owned firearms in this case were acquired by murdering the owner.

 

[handejector]

Where is Neville Chamberlain when we really need him?

A proven dealmaker that could save our butts....

This one is sounding like a broken record.
Anybody got a fresh thought?

 

[cmort666]

Where is Neville Chamberlain when we really need him?

Eating lutefisk with Vidkun Quisling...

 

[jdh]

Either way, private sales ARE going to be banned.

They will be forced underground not stopped.

 

[mr.jbk79]

The manditory background check should be to know your target and beyond.