challer61
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BTW, I nearly always NY carry
If limited to 10 rounds, what do you carry?
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Mike_Fontenot
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I shoot my S&W revolvers strictly single action, and I'm more accurate with them than I am with my two 1911's (the only semi-auto's that I own). My EDC is a 5" N-Frame 629 "Classic" (full-underlug) .44mag, shooting full-spec 240gr JHP Underwood's. I'm as accurate with it (with that ammo) as with anything. With that kind of ballistics, I don't expect to need many shots, if I can hit what I'm aiming at. So that is my strategy: one or two very accurate shots.
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I've been carrying in FL since 1990 and TX since 2008. I like to Front Pocket carry when possible. My 1st Front Pocket carry pistol was a PF-9, with a spare mag in a nylon pocket Knife sheath. When the Shield came out in 2012, I switched to that and have been carrying it, with the MagGuts spring kit and spare mag, ever since.
For me, the Shield does not Front Pocket carry with the 8-round mag, so I stick to the 7-round mag with MagGuts kit, making it 9 +1.
If I didn't have the Shield, or belt carried, I'd either revert back to my G19, or G26 with 10-round mags in the Restricted States, or my G48.
For me, the Shield does not Front Pocket carry with the 8-round mag, so I stick to the 7-round mag with MagGuts kit, making it 9 +1.
If I didn't have the Shield, or belt carried, I'd either revert back to my G19, or G26 with 10-round mags in the Restricted States, or my G48.
WOW, generalize much?
Your statement went off the rails by the 3rd word. There are very few things in life that are true for EVERYBODY and the few that are universally true are related to bodily functions.
When it comes to shooting and caliber selection I think it is pretty safe to say there are no absolutes. EVERYBODY does not shoot 9mm better than 45 or 40, not when you take different guns and different level of practice into account.
Additionally, by your logic, why 9mm and not 380ACP? Or 32ACP? The same statistics that can be used to "prove" that 9mm is as effective as 40 or 45 also show that those two calibers are equally effective - and surely "everybody" can shoot those calibers better than 9mm if "everybody" can shoot 9mm better than 40 or 45.
Sorry man, but you're stating your OPINION as fact, and it just ain't so. There are no universals when it comes to the caliber selection debate - other than the fact that it will never end.
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I was a District Rangemaster as an additional duty during the 80s/90s. I had one guy, a sergeant, who had 'won' a gunfight by hitting the bad guy as the bad guy also hit him. The sergeant was using a S&W M19 and had for most of his career.
After the 9mm transition school (1 week, 500 rounds) for the 5906, he complained that the 9mm seemed 'kind of hot' and he was clearly uncomfortable with it. I worked 2 days with him and he just couldn't get it; he didn't qualify even once. Sent him back to HQ; they couldn't get him qualified, either. They gave up and allowed whomever so chose to keep their revolvers - the sergeant qualified in the low 90s with his M19 and duty ammo (Federal 125 grain JHP 357 magnum). The 9mm was Winchester 115 grain ball and duty ammo was 147 grain Hydrashock - he didn't hit with either.
Dunno how to explain that.
After the 9mm transition school (1 week, 500 rounds) for the 5906, he complained that the 9mm seemed 'kind of hot' and he was clearly uncomfortable with it. I worked 2 days with him and he just couldn't get it; he didn't qualify even once. Sent him back to HQ; they couldn't get him qualified, either. They gave up and allowed whomever so chose to keep their revolvers - the sergeant qualified in the low 90s with his M19 and duty ammo (Federal 125 grain JHP 357 magnum). The 9mm was Winchester 115 grain ball and duty ammo was 147 grain Hydrashock - he didn't hit with either.
Dunno how to explain that.
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Easy to explain - "everybody" is different, and familiarity and practice with a weapon is as big of a factor as caliber.
That is why blanket statements about shooting that begin with "Everybody" are bound to be false. They are predicated on a false assumption.
AJ
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I usually carry this most anywhere I want. Each mag holds 7 shots times three mags. Pistol is a bit dated (but then so am I), it will put a .38 caliber bullet where you aim and as fast as you can pull the trigger. The best thing is that no one seems to give it a lot of notice, even in church.
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sousana
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I tend to keep both my Primary and BUG of the same persuasion. Kimber Raptor as primary and either a Kimber Raptor ultra or Colt Officers as BUG. I have many a different 1911 and several are in my rotation, but being all the same they function the same so I don't have to stop and think, am I carrying a revolver today?. I tried once carrying a Glock, but during practice drills at the range I kept trying to disengage the safety. Been shooting the 1911 for over 50 years now, so no need to change.
J. R. WEEMS
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Havent read all the replies but last I heard the highest court in the land put the axe on those magazine limits. I carry what I want and theleft be damned.
Havent read all the replies but last I heard the highest court in the land put the axe on those magazine limits. I carry what I want and theleft be damned.
Everyday no matter what: "j" frame ( 442, 642, 60 ...I have several)
In the woods: "J" + 686+ can substitute G20 or Nitro 10 10mm 1911
Around town: "J" + Lt Wt Commander or Kimber Super Carry Pro; sometimes Glock 23
In the woods: "J" + 686+ can substitute G20 or Nitro 10 10mm 1911
Around town: "J" + Lt Wt Commander or Kimber Super Carry Pro; sometimes Glock 23
Eddie Southgate
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Well to say what I'd carry in a restricted state, I'd carry what I want and if they put me in jail for it, ok I go to jail. Jail is a lot better than a 6 foot hole in the ground, so I'd be carrying something with 15 rounds and a couple of backup mags. For me that means my Model 59. Yes folks, I know the 59 came with only a 14rd mag but I converted them to 15 with the conversion followers and no problems.
Walnut, California late 90's. Officer shot a suspect after being shot at by same. 14 rounds fired and all well placed shots and the suspect was still digging in his pocket for another pistol/revolver stashed there. 15th rd to the forehead, end of story.
Topeka, Kansas mid 50's. Officer stood in doorway and exchanged shot for shot with bad guy, both with .38's. Bad guy ran out of ammo at 6 rounds. Officer reloaded and ended the exchange. Officer spent 6 months in and out of hospital before going back on duty. Officer never left the house with anything less than a full sized 1911 .45. Said he'd never again carry a .38. I can't say I blame him. I got this story directly from the retired officer.
When I CCW, I usually carry a Colt Officers Model with 7rd mags. Humm 7+1 yeah that works.
Llance
Walnut, California late 90's. Officer shot a suspect after being shot at by same. 14 rounds fired and all well placed shots and the suspect was still digging in his pocket for another pistol/revolver stashed there. 15th rd to the forehead, end of story.
Topeka, Kansas mid 50's. Officer stood in doorway and exchanged shot for shot with bad guy, both with .38's. Bad guy ran out of ammo at 6 rounds. Officer reloaded and ended the exchange. Officer spent 6 months in and out of hospital before going back on duty. Officer never left the house with anything less than a full sized 1911 .45. Said he'd never again carry a .38. I can't say I blame him. I got this story directly from the retired officer.
When I CCW, I usually carry a Colt Officers Model with 7rd mags. Humm 7+1 yeah that works.
Llance
Mike_Fontenot
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I don't think a .45acp 1911 is much better than a .38 special ... .45acp certainly isn't as good as a .357mag or a 10mm. And (much) better still is a .44mag.
AJ
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A long time ago I attended a Combat Shooting School in the Marine Corps. In fact became an instructor in the same Combat Shooting Course. We were taught and also taught to our students the "Failure To Stop" drill. Two rounds to the chest and one to the brain housing group. Two to the chest and if the individual does not go down then one to the brain housing group. If the shots are properly placed then by the third shot the whole problem should be ended.
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It's a significantly larger diameter bullet with twice the kinetic energy, so yeah, it's much better than .38 Special.
Miami_JBT
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Oh boy....
Just off the top of my head in what I have that would have been legal under the Clinton AWB in terms of capacity.
SIG P230
SIG P239
GLOCK 26
GLOCK 27
GLOCK 30
GLOCK 36
GLOCK 42
GLOCK 43
S&W MODEL 3913
S&W MODEL 4040PD
S&W MODEL 645
S&W MODEL 745
S&W MODEL 4013TSW
S&W MODEL 4506-1
S&W MODEL 4566
S&W MODEL 4566TSW
S&W MODEL 909
Star PD .45
1911
Browning Hi-Power. 40
J-Frame
K-Frame
L-Frame
N-Frame
Ruger Security Six
Ruger Speed Six
Ruger GP100
Colt D-Frame
Colt I-Frame
Colt J-Frame
Walther PP
Walther PPK
Colt 1903
FN 1910
FN 1910/22
Browning .380 1911
Kel-Tec P32
Ruger LCP
LW Seecamp LWS-32
Ruger P90
Ruger P345
Ruger LC9s
Beretta PX4 Storm SD
Makarov
Beretta 950
Beretta 21A
Just off the top of my head in what I have that would have been legal under the Clinton AWB in terms of capacity.
SIG P230
SIG P239
GLOCK 26
GLOCK 27
GLOCK 30
GLOCK 36
GLOCK 42
GLOCK 43
S&W MODEL 3913
S&W MODEL 4040PD
S&W MODEL 645
S&W MODEL 745
S&W MODEL 4013TSW
S&W MODEL 4506-1
S&W MODEL 4566
S&W MODEL 4566TSW
S&W MODEL 909
Star PD .45
1911
Browning Hi-Power. 40
J-Frame
K-Frame
L-Frame
N-Frame
Ruger Security Six
Ruger Speed Six
Ruger GP100
Colt D-Frame
Colt I-Frame
Colt J-Frame
Walther PP
Walther PPK
Colt 1903
FN 1910
FN 1910/22
Browning .380 1911
Kel-Tec P32
Ruger LCP
LW Seecamp LWS-32
Ruger P90
Ruger P345
Ruger LC9s
Beretta PX4 Storm SD
Makarov
Beretta 950
Beretta 21A
Mike_Fontenot
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I just got this data off of Underwood's webpage:
.38 Special +P : 158gr ME 548 ft-lbs
.45acp +P : 230gr ME 511 ft-lbs
.357mag : 158gr ME 790 ft-lbs
.44mag : 240gr ME 1199 ft-lbs
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What I pocket carry every day--649-2 with Crimson trace grips and one speed strip.
Miami_JBT
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A pair of 3913s or Beretta 92 Type-Ms would give you 16+2 and extra mags. would work in either gun....
The new " All American" reload....................
AJ
US Veteran
Ah.....the old New York reload!
I often carry a M&P bodyguard .380 either in my pocket or in a Hybrib IWB tuckable holster from MDJ holsters on ebay.
Otherwise, I usually sport a 5 shot or 6 shot .38/357 revolver.
When not carrying those, a Shield 9mm (gen 1 with APEX duty.carry kit), or a Beretta 85 cheeta in .380 acp, or a Ruger EC9S, or a Sig P238 with 7 round magazine.
Any of those I usually carry a second mag with either in my change pocket on my pants, or a separate mag holster opposite my gun.
Otherwise, I usually sport a 5 shot or 6 shot .38/357 revolver.
When not carrying those, a Shield 9mm (gen 1 with APEX duty.carry kit), or a Beretta 85 cheeta in .380 acp, or a Ruger EC9S, or a Sig P238 with 7 round magazine.
Any of those I usually carry a second mag with either in my change pocket on my pants, or a separate mag holster opposite my gun.
AJ "If the shots are properly placed then by the third shot the whole problem should be ended."
Both of these officers were working within the realm of their department's restrictions. I have also spoken with an FBI agent who was involved in a similar situation wherein twelve rounds were fired and neither individual was hurt. Go figure. I know for myself and having been shot i surely would not want to have it happen again.
Llance
Both of these officers were working within the realm of their department's restrictions. I have also spoken with an FBI agent who was involved in a similar situation wherein twelve rounds were fired and neither individual was hurt. Go figure. I know for myself and having been shot i surely would not want to have it happen again.
Llance
Birdhunter6
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640P in a DeSantis pocket holster. When I feel more is indicated I moved the 640P to support side pocket (bug) and carry a G43X (9mm 10+1) IWB. My state doesn't limit magazine capacity but those are my choices based on comfort and concealability.
