Illinois' Ban on Concealed Carry Has Been Ruled Unconstitutional

[illinoimike]

You know, I love our country, I really do. It makes me sad that so many try to limit what we can do to benefit this great nation. I have no desire to hurt anyone but I have a great desire to make this nation, my home, a better, safer place. It makes good sense to let good folks set the tone for our country, not the few who could care less about their fellow man but only have a hunger for self-gratification at someone else's expense. Why can't one person standing up for what's right get the attention like those who clamor about screaming no jesus in school, no 10 commandment in our government building???
Today I feel our country made the right move.

 

[Joewisc]

Danged activist judges legislating from the bench? Whatever happened to federalism and states' rights?

They died with Jefferson.

 

[jaykellogg]

I know a guy in South Chicago with a CCW. His was issued in Florida. FL will issue CCW permits to out of state residents.

 

[158Grain]

I know a guy in South Chicago with a CCW. His was issued in Florida. FL will issue CCW permits to out of state residents.

This is true. Florida does have out of state CCW. The problem there is that IL DOES NOT recognize any of them. Once I cross the Mississippi with my out of state Florida license I can legally cary. If your friend is doing this in IL, he is committing a felony!

 

[Chris L.]

Great! Maybe now I can lift my boycott and start going into Illinois again???

 

[nipster]

Maybe the crime rate will get under control.

 

[cmort666]

Great! Maybe now I can lift my boycott and start going into Illinois again???

Unless you had an actual reason, I wouldn't bother.

Avoid trouble. There's mostly just trouble there.

If my mother didn't live there, I'd NEVER go.

 

[pawncop]

Congratulations to all my brothers and sisters in arms in Illinois.

Government should believe in liberty.

 

[venomballistics]

Great! Maybe now I can lift my boycott and start going into Illinois again???

sure ... but then ... why would you want to?

 

[Chris L.]

Unless you had an actual reason, I wouldn't bother.

Avoid trouble. There's mostly just trouble there.

If my mother didn't live there, I'd NEVER go.

True... the state seems to be making their best effort to do ALL the wrong things.

 

[Buford57]

In a related story, credible reports have been received that Satan was seen buying ice skates before departing on a flying pig.

I really never thought I'd live to see this day.

 

[venomballistics]

we HAVE met the enemy and we HAVE overcome!!!

the Q ball drops in 11 months..........

dont get too enthusiastic yet ... when you think youve broken the line, check your flank.
it was the way they wanted it, and thats the way they'll try to have it in the end.

 

[Springfeildkid585]

The state government isn't anything I would want, but the folks living there are pretty much great. I cannot understand why they keep electing such a poor government.

Because Cook County is large enough in population to dominate the state.

 

[spad124]

As more and more information is coming out, the ruling is very powerful. Apparently, Illinois is already taking heat to NOT appeal the ruling because it could effect the status of states that have the "may issue" and if SCOTUS upholds this ruling, it would require them to change to "shall issue".

The ruling doesn't require the state of Illinois to come up with a carry conceal law, but gives them 180 days to do so if they like. If no law is enacted in 180 days covering CCW, then the ruling goes into effect striking down all bans on CCW. At which point, if you have a FOID, you would then be allowed to carry both open and concealed with only Federal restrictions in place (no carrying in Federal Courthouse, airports, etc.).

It will be interesting because the power in this issue has changed hands. Prior to this ruling those that wanted to have strict gun control had enough votes to keep from getting a super majority (what was required to overturn a Governor veto). Now, there is enough votes to prevent any bill that they don't want to pass from getting through and then the ruling goes into effect. It gives the carry conceal side more power to negotiate for a reasonable bill instead of Chicago just shoving something down the throat of the state

As another poster in this thread said, "Having broke through the line, watch your flank" The majority opinion (2-1) discussed New York's "demonstrated need" permit scheme quite a bit. The majority also states that victims of domestic abuse and those living in the high crime areas of Chicago have the greatest need for CCW, not the suburban males or Gold Coast high rise dwellers with doormen. (No lawyer apparently reminded the justices that last year a nut went on a rampage in rural central Ill and Indiana killing several people.) AG Madigan and THE GOV Quinn will undoubtedly catch on to that.

Assuming Illinois doesn't appeal to SCOTUS, I suspect the first round of proposed legislation will be pretty heavy handed and mirror NY's. This will be a pretty hard fight between Chicago/Cook Co and "Downstate" (read: Everywhere else in the state except Chicago/Cook Co)

The best thing for is "Downstaters" is that 2-3 key Chicago/Cook Co legislators have recently been either tossed out of the General Assembly for ethics violations or are under investigation or indictment . Chicago rep Donne Trotter, a big gun control advocate, was arrested at O'Hare late last week for trying to carry a revolver onto an airplane. He claims he was working for a security agency and "forgot" he had the revolver in his bag.

The danger is that the current law prohibiting carrying anywhere other than on your own land, private property with permission, or in your place of business will be eliminated, however, the replacement will not allow general law abiding citizens the opportunity to obtain a CCW if they choose. A CCW applicant will have to demonstrate some present danger and expectation of assault in order to obtain a permit. -- Of course, just living in certain parts of Chicago would qualify.

 

[37airweight]

One of our down state democrats, Brandon Phelps has been pushing a pretty good bill allowing concealed carry and pre-empting home rule areas like Chicago from enacting more restrictive laws. It usually makes it out of committee but is never called on by the Speaker of the House. Hopefully, the final bill will resemble his.

 

[cmort666]

One of our down state democrats, Brandon Phelps has been pushing a pretty good bill allowing concealed carry and pre-empting home rule areas like Chicago from enacting more restrictive laws. It usually makes it out of committee but is never called on by the Speaker of the House. Hopefully, the final bill will resemble his.

Actually, Illinoisians would benefit most from NO bill and carrying on their FOIDs.

Out of staters (such as myself) would benefit from some sane bill on the order of Ohio's or Pennsylvania's. I only go there once a year to visit relatives (I can only stand the place that often.). Now that I'm working a job with no vacation, I don't go at all. It certainly would be nice to eventually be able to go there and not be driving around the worst parts of Chicago at midnight, taking my relatives home from Christmas dinner, UNARMED.

I'd also really like not having to disarm on the Indiana-Illinois border when driving to Missouri to hunt on my best friend's family farm.

 

[Neumann]

Don't read too much into it, look at where DC is at after the Heller decision.

After the Heller decision, DC allowed handguns, but made their registration difficult and expensive. Carry outside the residence is not allowed. Chicago did much the same after the McDonald decision.

This is something different, since it establishes the right to carry a weapon for self defense in public on a Constitutional basis. Last summer, there were 68 votes in the Illinois House in favor of concealed carry. It needed 71 votes to be veto-proof and home-rule-proof. The last is the most significant barrier in Illinois, since otherwise any home-rule town could pass their own gun laws, including Chicago.

Chicago may still make its citizens jump through hoops to register a weapon, but anyone in the state will be able to carry there. If Illinois appeals and loses, California, New York, New Jersey and other foreign states will lose their ability to deny licenses as well. If Illinois imposes unreasonable restrictions, it will be appealed on that basis too.

It's an uphill road, but it's a start.