In Praise Of A Glock.

[wwsmith111]

Do you believe everything you see on the internet? There is a lot of fake things posted on youboob! Just say'in friend!

Yeah, I'm not buying that either. No way a FN would melt like that. Or a Glock for that matter. But if it were a p320 Sig I would believe that!

 

[BillyKframe]

Why would you leave a pistol on your dashboard?

When it is a regular cab ton truck and there are three big guys in the seat and nobody wants to hold the gun.

 

[docbrazos]

Glocks are the Ford F-150 of the gun scene. They just work, nothing Fancy. Yes I carry one most of the time. It is a G19 styled pistol in 9mm, but nothing on it is factory G19. I normally Carry Sig Fastback For a BBQ gun!

 

[DixieRanger]

In response to post #72 that quoted my post on Glock haters. i too have a personal story on tragic Glock mishaps. Years ago was at an IPSC match at Sir Walter Gun Club in NC. In the squad in bay next to me a shooter when the buzzer went off was drawing his Glock and it fired and bullet pierced his leg courceing down and out his calf. If not for a MARSOC medic on his squad, possibly could have died waiting for EMS to arrive. Fast forward to cause. The shooter was using Blackhawk Sherpa holster that has a paddle that must be pressesd to release pistol on draw. If finger on paddle follows up and not straightened when drawing, the trigger finger can enter finger guard and possibly pull trigger and fire while exiting the holster. After controversial study was determined this is what happened to cause this unfortunate accident.

This being said i stand by my statement of use on safe gun handling and use of on board computer between the ears. The post of "something pulled the trigger" well of course it did. Of course it did ...the finger! This harkens back to the brain thing and safe gun handling as opposed to the Glock did it. Look, firearms are mechanical and must be treated as such..The human factor has to come into play but to blame bad design is just not an accurate assumption. Analysis is subjective and can have conflicting outcomes. Safety absolutely saves lives no question about it. But if a Glock "accidentally goes off" it's because the trigger was pulled.

 

[Navy vet]

I fell in love with the Glock from day one! Some call em ugly, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, you can keep all those J revolvers! Personally I find them uncomfortable to hold, and stings my hand when shooting, I can't shoot them accurately greater than 15 yards. Yes, I cheat, I have a Holosun on my G19 MOS. My Glock is as reliable as any revolver out there. Melting in the sun? You believe that, I got some beach front property to sell ya! As far as manual safety goes, doesn't the P220 have a manual safety? I personally do not carry with one in the chamber. I have given this a lot of thought and research. It is a personal decision for everyone. I am the type of guy that I have never put myself in a position to let anyone within that 21' limit. Yes, yes, I know all the valid reasons to carry with one in the chamber. I will take my chances. That being said, the lack of manual safety on Glock is a mute point FOR ME. Personally I would prefer reliability over a manual safety. Plus, I can rack a round in bout as fast as you can fumble around looking for that manual safety. Again, having an optic makes that so much easier.

 

[DixieRanger]

As a followup on Glock bans in Australia. without external safety.

My searching found this. Australian guns laws also require a "justifiable reason" for owning a firearm, which generally excludes self defense. And so it goes!

 

[HARLEY0]

I was told once that back in the Nam the enemies rifle could chamber our M16’s cartridge. But our M16 couldn’t chambers the enemies. It’s how you want to look at it as the truth . Or just turn the bottle up and take another snort. Wardawg

I don't think that is possible!

 

[HARLEY0]

I have owned and gotten rid of a G-17, a G-19, a G-43, a G-45 and a G-48 MOS. Nothing against these Glocks; it's just me. I couldn't get used to the Edward Scissorhands trigger. My favorite was my G-48 MOS, as it felt really good in my hands. But, when a friend fell in love with it and offered me an even-trade for a Browing 1960 Hi Power mde in Belgium, I could not resist. It even came one original magazine with the aluminum follower. After we traded, I sent it to BH Springs Solution who had bought FN's vintage OEM HP parts when they decided to stop HP production (a decision they reversed a couple of years later). BHSS did their magic on it and refurbished it completely, and it's a dream to shoot. They asked me if I wanted to reblue it, but I declined. I like it just the way it is. It has character.

Nice trade! Plus you can always buy another Glock and customize it the way you want it!

 

[Phenix]

In response to post #72 that quoted my post on Glock haters. i too have a personal story on tragic Glock mishaps. Years ago was at an IPSC match at Sir Walter Gun Club in NC. In the squad in bay next to me a shooter when the buzzer went off was drawing his Glock and it fired and bullet pierced his leg courceing down and out his calf. If not for a MARSOC medic on his squad, possibly could have died waiting for EMS to arrive. Fast forward to cause. The shooter was using Blackhawk Sherpa holster that has a paddle that must be pressesd to release pistol on draw. If finger on paddle follows up and not straightened when drawing, the trigger finger can enter finger guard and possibly pull trigger and fire while exiting the holster. After controversial study was determined this is what happened to cause this unfortunate accident.

This being said i stand by my statement of use on safe gun handling and use of on board computer between the ears. The post of "something pulled the trigger" well of course it did. Of course it did ...the finger! This harkens back to the brain thing and safe gun handling as opposed to the Glock did it. Look, firearms are mechanical and must be treated as such..The human factor has to come into play but to blame bad design is just not an accurate assumption. Analysis is subjective and can have conflicting outcomes. Safety absolutely saves lives no question about it. But if a Glock "accidentally goes off" it's because the trigger was pulled.

Some gun designs are more “forgiving” of mishandling.
Glock is not one of them.
BTW, I am the owner of 2 Glocks, and carry one of them, a G42 in .380, regularly in a pocket holster. Alternate with a Bodyguard 2.0 in .380 (with thumb safety because the trigger pull is too light for a pocket gun at 4.5 lbs. in my opinion). I wish thumb safeties were an option with Glocks.
I just exercise extra caution with them.

 

[bph9]

In response to post #72 that quoted my post on Glock haters. i too have a personal story on tragic Glock mishaps. Years ago was at an IPSC match at Sir Walter Gun Club in NC. In the squad in bay next to me a shooter when the buzzer went off was drawing his Glock and it fired and bullet pierced his leg courceing down and out his calf. If not for a MARSOC medic on his squad, possibly could have died waiting for EMS to arrive. Fast forward to cause. The shooter was using Blackhawk Sherpa holster that has a paddle that must be pressesd to release pistol on draw. If finger on paddle follows up and not straightened when drawing, the trigger finger can enter finger guard and possibly pull trigger and fire while exiting the holster. After controversial study was determined this is what happened to cause this unfortunate accident.

This being said i stand by my statement of use on safe gun handling and use of on board computer between the ears. The post of "something pulled the trigger" well of course it did. Of course it did ...the finger! This harkens back to the brain thing and safe gun handling as opposed to the Glock did it. Look, firearms are mechanical and must be treated as such..The human factor has to come into play but to blame bad design is just not an accurate assumption. Analysis is subjective and can have conflicting outcomes. Safety absolutely saves lives no question about it. But if a Glock "accidentally goes off" it's because the trigger was pulled.

Respectfully do you even realize what you just posted??? You are making excuses for a defective design. This would "not" have happened say if the shooter had been using a 1911 with the manual safety on. It would probably "not" have happened with a Sig 226 that has a long hard double action pull as the shooter would have felt the trigger being pulled, yes it could still have happened by far, far, less likely as a 12lb trigger pull that is long and hard is a warning sign you are pulling the trigger even when under extreme stress.

The famous gun writer and firearms expert Massad Ayoob stated that when "not" one but "several" police departments dropped the Glock because of all their accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to the Sig 226 Police Model (double action only) and also the Beretta 92 police model (double action only). Accidental dischargers and police accidentally shooting people they never intended to shoot went down dramatically. I think that is all any reasonable person needs to see how dangerous the unsafe Glock system really is to carry and handle without the addition of a custom manual safety.

I have spoken to more than one gun store and the owners have told me when they call Glock they only do it because they are forced to because of the way they are treated as Glock believes that their weapons are perfect in every way and they are annoyed that you even called them with any problems. I think this is a good indication why Glock never has made their "factory made" manual safety available as an option to the public. Other firearms companies like HK and Smith, Taurus and others have done so, why not has Glock done the same?? Again part of the answer is obvious (as previously mentioned) the other part is worrying about the outcome of a future lawsuit in court.

As I mentioned before "I do not hate Glocks" and own 2 of them and have carried my Glock 19 but after I had the manual safety installed. When you really think about it if Glock had put manual safeties on all their models the gun owner would have the option of using the manual safety or "never" using it and it would be at his own risk not Glocks.

 

[WarDawg]

I don't think that is possible!

I’m with ya. But that was one of them crazy myths that floated around and retold. And if you look at what I actually wrote ……. Punch line ….. I said chambered. Which I think I see where the old wise tell could have came from. Chambered. Not fired. lol. That’s how things get repeated , stretched and grows …….

 

[375hh1973]

I had a custom manual safety put on my Glock 19. Without a manual safety if you snag the trigger it will fire. It happens when you carry them or attempt to holster them, or if you are in the process of trying to load or unload the Glock without being extra careful. That is a headache and a real danger I will not put up with.

What people do not understand is that the Glock trigger safety was "not" designed to keep the gun from going off if you accidentally snag the trigger (and it doesn't) rather it was designed to keep the gun from firing if it was dropped and the passive firing pin safety failed. Glock has had numerous recalls way, way, to numerous to go into here, suffice to say Glock called them "upgrades" gambling that the average Glock owner would be too dumb to know that the term is synonymous with recall. For the most part Glock was right.

The other glaring design disaster of the Glock is that it has a totally unsafe takedown procedure. The slide must be forward and you must pull the trigger before removing the slide, that is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time when people forget to check the chamber before attempting a take down of the pistol.

Now contrast this to more safely designed pistols that require the slide to be locked back and open before takedown. A forgotten round in the chamber would be ejected out when the slide was pulled back.

Glocks have very weak striker energy (they flunked a German police test trial so the Germans just modified the requirements to get them to pass).

If you do not believe any of this take an empty cartridge case and seat a high primer (no gun powder, no bullet). Put it in the chamber and gently press the slide home. Now attempt to fire off the primer. It will not fire. Try this same test with a hammer fired gun or even a 1900's era striker fired gun and they both will fire the primer.

If the open striker channel (another design defect) is not kept squeaky clean or is over lubed you run the risk of a misfire, especially in handloads that may have a high primer not fully seated. To make it even worse the bottom of the glock grip has a gaping large hole in it which is an open highway to the underside of the slide and striker channel and dust and other contaminants can easily find their way into the striker channel.

Glock chambers were purposely made oversize to aid in feeding reliability but this results in lousy accuracy and the rear of the cartridge is not fully supported making a blow out of the cartridge case far more likely than with other designs. It's a major reason Glock warns not to use handloads in their firearms.

Glock trigger pulls are generally creepy which again is not an aid in accurate shooting.

Glock plasticky sights wear down with numerous holster presentations and of course snap off easily when the gun is dropped.

In conclusion be honest and ask yourself this question: "Would you carry a loaded revolver with the hammer cocked back even in a holster let alone just stuck in your waistband"? Any sane person would answer, "Heck no, do you think I am nuts!" Well then do you think carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber is any different as far as an accidental discharge. The honest answer is no, there is no difference because both weapons will fire with the light snag of the trigger which fires them off instantaneously, you get no second chance.

There is an old axiom dating back thousands of years and it is "What people cannot see, they do not fear" that is why they think a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber (they cannot see the cocked back striker). Herr Glock originally was going to put a hammer on his new pistol but was told that no one in their right mind would buy it and they were right no one would have.

If you have a stock factory Glock carry it with the chamber empty otherwise get a manual safety installed if you want to carry it with the chamber loaded. I might add that the manual safety can be left in the "on" position when loading or unloading the Glock, which again will also prevent those other types of accidental discharges as well.

And the most laughable axiom is "The best safety is between your ears" the graveyards and/or wheelchairs are full of such people, its called "being a victim of Darwinism".

Wow

Just wow

 

[22lrfan]

Have been shooting Glocks since 1990 and have never had an issue with any of them.

Got my first Glock, a used G20, at a gun show in '97. Currently have a couple dozen of them and EDC a 43x. Have quite a few police trade-in G22's that I've put threaded barrels in and 40-9 conversion barrels, both standard length and threaded. My local police supply store used to sell them for $300 OTD. I've never had an issue with any of them. As an experiment I tried 9mm in the G22 mags. They fed fine at the range but I would never trust one for carry.

 

[Taj]

OMG, that's the craziest thing I've read in a long time.
A AK47 7.62 being able to fire a M16s .223

Buy what you like, I'm an American and I buy American Company Products whenever possible.
My guns and my cars/trucks all, every one of them.

Actually the old story was that their AK 7.62x39 could use our 7.62 ammo. The whole thing was BS. Our 7.62 has a 51mm case length vs the AK round @ 39mm. If you can get a NATO 7.62 in an AK, you are a better man than I am. The B.S.ers used to brag about carrying an AK because they could use our ammo. You knew they were full of crap when they started spouting that nonsense.

 

[DixieRanger]

Of course I realize what i posted. Would one post about firearm safety without thought? 'Fireing if snagged on something' and "design dangerous when removing slide to clean', and 'if you can't see it you don't have fear' and more. Good grief. For final time i revert to safe firearm practices and using your noodle. As suggested gotta find how to use ignore. Best in your endeavors with our beloved firearms.

 

[WarDawg]

Thanks Taj. It’s been along time since I heard that. I would hear that growing up in the 1970’s .. crazy ain’t it.

 

[Warren Sear]

blah, blah, blah Glock blah, blah, blah plasticy blah, blah, blah

Just keep it out of the sun and you'll be fine!

 

[davek42_43130]

I forgot about a pistol my wife bought some years ago but after she reminded me of it I had to go out to our range and fired it some . It is a sig P250 sub compact in 380acp . My wife changed to a p365xl for CC needs today even retiring her kimber ultra 9mm . The P250sc in 380 weight in at 19,5oz with 12 round mag , locked breach recoil system and can be racked with one finger pushing the slide back and recoil is , well not much . Lightened slide and barrels chamber area help to reduce the weight of the 380 . Its not as small as many micro 380 so many prefer but its is a great little shooter if 380 is your choice . This is a hammer fired pistol with a smooth DA style trigger pull , of the wide radiused smooth trigger is 5lb 6 to 8 oz on this p250. My wife also bought what sig call an exchange kit , slide ,barrel recoil spring assembly and mags for a number of different caliber including 45 with the p250 models but she ordered the 9mm kit and a few 15 round mags . This is a hard to find model today and NOT a pocket bang bang but it is a good option if one is found for the 380 shooter . Now I need to change to the 9mm kit and get some range time on that too . The p320 killed off the p250 line .

Sig Sauer’s P250 Sub-Compact .380

Over the last decade, firearms manufacturers, especially handgun makers, have awoken to the fact that the terms “concealed carriers,” “military

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I have one too. I bought it for my daughter on sale 299.oo NEW, With a coupon for 2 free 15 rd mags. So It has 4-15 rd 380 mags. Ours is Not a sub compact but mid size. But great gun with Lots of fire power.

 

[geeollie]

Years of bicycle riding with pain led me to understand the backsweep angle of handlebars. Specifically the wrist/hand angle that people naturally have.. It can really vary from one person to another. But you all knew this already.

Glock has a specific grip angle that works better for some and not others. Compare this angle to the S&W M&P semi autos and it is easy to see why some shoot one better than another....even if some hate Glocks they just might be able to shoot one better than what they currently have. All that to say that........ It is good to have choices.

 

[CALREB]

First, I think the Glock in 9mm is a good pistol. Just don't like the way any Gen of Glock fits my hand. But I do have several Glock 9mms won at pistol matches or gotten before other guns were available. They are great houseguns ( if ever stolen ,no big deal, and one in the barn and on our utility vehicle. Wife likes the Shield or LCP, I carried a Shield, but being a lefty didn't care for the safety. When the Hellcat came out with the 1911 type safety, I went with that and have been very happy with it.

That being said, I don't care for 40 cal. anything and wouldn't own a 21, after working on more of them than all other guns combined in my years at the armory. Thats been 8 years ago and I know they have made changes to some things, like the captured spring and shape of the firing pin block. So maybe everything is all ok now. Don't care to get into any arguments about Glock 21 issues, just had my experiences dealing with 3000 plus 21 pistols over a period of 10-12 years and dealing with Glocks never ending upgrades, to try and deal with issues we were having. If you have one and like it great, enjoy it.

Also over the years I personally had 4-5 issues where Glocks left in trunks, got hot and usually no magazine in the gun with something pressing down on the frame compressed the grip frame to where if, a magazine could be forced inside, it couldn't be pulled out. One was just in a gun safe for years with other guns/cases piled on it, over time compressed the grip frame.

I was able to find a smooth handled screwdriver, that was just the perfect size to push into the magwell 9/40 and set it under a desk light and after 2-3 adjustments get them back to normal. I ground the tip off the screwdriver, and wrapped the shaft with tape, so no one would borrow it for something else, because I was afraid it would get misplaced. Of course, it retired when I did. Not saying this couldn't happen to any other polymer pistol, but I never experienced it.