In Praise Of A Glock.

[WarDawg]

I don't think that is possible!

I'm with ya. But that was one of them crazy myths that floated around and retold. And if you look at what I actually wrote ……. Punch line ….. I said chambered. Which I think I see where the old wise tell could have came from. Chambered. Not fired. lol. That's how things get repeated , stretched and grows …….

 

[375hh1973]

I had a custom manual safety put on my Glock 19. Without a manual safety if you snag the trigger it will fire. It happens when you carry them or attempt to holster them, or if you are in the process of trying to load or unload the Glock without being extra careful. That is a headache and a real danger I will not put up with.

What people do not understand is that the Glock trigger safety was "not" designed to keep the gun from going off if you accidentally snag the trigger (and it doesn't) rather it was designed to keep the gun from firing if it was dropped and the passive firing pin safety failed. Glock has had numerous recalls way, way, to numerous to go into here, suffice to say Glock called them "upgrades" gambling that the average Glock owner would be too dumb to know that the term is synonymous with recall. For the most part Glock was right.

The other glaring design disaster of the Glock is that it has a totally unsafe takedown procedure. The slide must be forward and you must pull the trigger before removing the slide, that is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time when people forget to check the chamber before attempting a take down of the pistol.

Now contrast this to more safely designed pistols that require the slide to be locked back and open before takedown. A forgotten round in the chamber would be ejected out when the slide was pulled back.

Glocks have very weak striker energy (they flunked a German police test trial so the Germans just modified the requirements to get them to pass).

If you do not believe any of this take an empty cartridge case and seat a high primer (no gun powder, no bullet). Put it in the chamber and gently press the slide home. Now attempt to fire off the primer. It will not fire. Try this same test with a hammer fired gun or even a 1900's era striker fired gun and they both will fire the primer.

If the open striker channel (another design defect) is not kept squeaky clean or is over lubed you run the risk of a misfire, especially in handloads that may have a high primer not fully seated. To make it even worse the bottom of the glock grip has a gaping large hole in it which is an open highway to the underside of the slide and striker channel and dust and other contaminants can easily find their way into the striker channel.

Glock chambers were purposely made oversize to aid in feeding reliability but this results in lousy accuracy and the rear of the cartridge is not fully supported making a blow out of the cartridge case far more likely than with other designs. It's a major reason Glock warns not to use handloads in their firearms.

Glock trigger pulls are generally creepy which again is not an aid in accurate shooting.

Glock plasticky sights wear down with numerous holster presentations and of course snap off easily when the gun is dropped.

In conclusion be honest and ask yourself this question: "Would you carry a loaded revolver with the hammer cocked back even in a holster let alone just stuck in your waistband"? Any sane person would answer, "Heck no, do you think I am nuts!" Well then do you think carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber is any different as far as an accidental discharge. The honest answer is no, there is no difference because both weapons will fire with the light snag of the trigger which fires them off instantaneously, you get no second chance.

There is an old axiom dating back thousands of years and it is "What people cannot see, they do not fear" that is why they think a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber (they cannot see the cocked back striker). Herr Glock originally was going to put a hammer on his new pistol but was told that no one in their right mind would buy it and they were right no one would have.

If you have a stock factory Glock carry it with the chamber empty otherwise get a manual safety installed if you want to carry it with the chamber loaded. I might add that the manual safety can be left in the "on" position when loading or unloading the Glock, which again will also prevent those other types of accidental discharges as well.

And the most laughable axiom is "The best safety is between your ears" the graveyards and/or wheelchairs are full of such people, its called "being a victim of Darwinism".

Wow

Just wow

 

[22lrfan]

Have been shooting Glocks since 1990 and have never had an issue with any of them.

Got my first Glock, a used G20, at a gun show in '97. Currently have a couple dozen of them and EDC a 43x. Have quite a few police trade-in G22's that I've put threaded barrels in and 40-9 conversion barrels, both standard length and threaded. My local police supply store used to sell them for $300 OTD. I've never had an issue with any of them. As an experiment I tried 9mm in the G22 mags. They fed fine at the range but I would never trust one for carry.

 

[Taj]

OMG, that's the craziest thing I've read in a long time.
A AK47 7.62 being able to fire a M16s .223

Buy what you like, I'm an American and I buy American Company Products whenever possible.
My guns and my cars/trucks all, every one of them.

Actually the old story was that their AK 7.62x39 could use our 7.62 ammo. The whole thing was BS. Our 7.62 has a 51mm case length vs the AK round @ 39mm. If you can get a NATO 7.62 in an AK, you are a better man than I am. The B.S.ers used to brag about carrying an AK because they could use our ammo. You knew they were full of crap when they started spouting that nonsense.

 

[DixieRanger]

Of course I realize what i posted. Would one post about firearm safety without thought? 'Fireing if snagged on something' and "design dangerous when removing slide to clean', and 'if you can't see it you don't have fear' and more. Good grief. For final time i revert to safe firearm practices and using your noodle. As suggested gotta find how to use ignore. Best in your endeavors with our beloved firearms.

 

[WarDawg]

Thanks Taj. It's been along time since I heard that. I would hear that growing up in the 1970's .. crazy ain't it.

 

[Warren Sear]

blah, blah, blah Glock blah, blah, blah plasticy blah, blah, blah

Just keep it out of the sun and you'll be fine!

 

[davek42_43130]

I forgot about a pistol my wife bought some years ago but after she reminded me of it I had to go out to our range and fired it some . It is a sig P250 sub compact in 380acp . My wife changed to a p365xl for CC needs today even retiring her kimber ultra 9mm . The P250sc in 380 weight in at 19,5oz with 12 round mag , locked breach recoil system and can be racked with one finger pushing the slide back and recoil is , well not much . Lightened slide and barrels chamber area help to reduce the weight of the 380 . Its not as small as many micro 380 so many prefer but its is a great little shooter if 380 is your choice . This is a hammer fired pistol with a smooth DA style trigger pull , of the wide radiused smooth trigger is 5lb 6 to 8 oz on this p250. My wife also bought what sig call an exchange kit , slide ,barrel recoil spring assembly and mags for a number of different caliber including 45 with the p250 models but she ordered the 9mm kit and a few 15 round mags . This is a hard to find model today and NOT a pocket bang bang but it is a good option if one is found for the 380 shooter . Now I need to change to the 9mm kit and get some range time on that too . The p320 killed off the p250 line .

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I have one too. I bought it for my daughter on sale 299.oo NEW, With a coupon for 2 free 15 rd mags. So It has 4-15 rd 380 mags. Ours is Not a sub compact but mid size. But great gun with Lots of fire power.

 

[geeollie]

Years of bicycle riding with pain led me to understand the backsweep angle of handlebars. Specifically the wrist/hand angle that people naturally have.. It can really vary from one person to another. But you all knew this already.

Glock has a specific grip angle that works better for some and not others. Compare this angle to the S&W M&P semi autos and it is easy to see why some shoot one better than another....even if some hate Glocks they just might be able to shoot one better than what they currently have. All that to say that........ It is good to have choices.

 

[CALREB]

First, I think the Glock in 9mm is a good pistol. Just don't like the way any Gen of Glock fits my hand. But I do have several Glock 9mms won at pistol matches or gotten before other guns were available. They are great houseguns ( if ever stolen ,no big deal, and one in the barn and on our utility vehicle. Wife likes the Shield or LCP, I carried a Shield, but being a lefty didn't care for the safety. When the Hellcat came out with the 1911 type safety, I went with that and have been very happy with it.

That being said, I don't care for 40 cal. anything and wouldn't own a 21, after working on more of them than all other guns combined in my years at the armory. Thats been 8 years ago and I know they have made changes to some things, like the captured spring and shape of the firing pin block. So maybe everything is all ok now. Don't care to get into any arguments about Glock 21 issues, just had my experiences dealing with 3000 plus 21 pistols over a period of 10-12 years and dealing with Glocks never ending upgrades, to try and deal with issues we were having. If you have one and like it great, enjoy it.

Also over the years I personally had 4-5 issues where Glocks left in trunks, got hot and usually no magazine in the gun with something pressing down on the frame compressed the grip frame to where if, a magazine could be forced inside, it couldn't be pulled out. One was just in a gun safe for years with other guns/cases piled on it, over time compressed the grip frame.

I was able to find a smooth handled screwdriver, that was just the perfect size to push into the magwell 9/40 and set it under a desk light and after 2-3 adjustments get them back to normal. I ground the tip off the screwdriver, and wrapped the shaft with tape, so no one would borrow it for something else, because I was afraid it would get misplaced. Of course, it retired when I did. Not saying this couldn't happen to any other polymer pistol, but I never experienced it.

 

[DonB1950]

Gaston had a great idea and that is why he left Steyr. Easy to operate, dependable and can hold a lot of ammo. BUT it isn't one of John's designs, 1911 forever. Points right functions well and cycles faster than others.

 

[Taj]

Thanks Taj. It's been along time since I heard that. I would hear that growing up in the 1970's .. crazy ain't it.

Roger that. I was a "gun guy" before I went to VN and used to hear the same thing from a few of the old "returning Vets". I always thought, "maybe they some stuff I don't". Nope, just full of crap.

 

[HARLEY0]

Nothing against Glock, but they are not cheap compared to a lot of other equally reliable striker fired pistols.

Name the other equally reliable striker fired pistols. - There is only one - GLOCK! Shake yourself awake and be kool fool MHO

 

[shovelmike]

Name the other equally reliable striker fired pistols. - There is only one - GLOCK! Shake yourself awake and be kool fool MHO

Canik hasn't let me down, if it does I will let you know.

 

[WarDawg]

Name the other equally reliable striker fired pistols. - There is only one - GLOCK! Shake yourself awake and be kool fool MHO

I'm really hoping the MP series is taking Glock on . I'm a Glock fan. I got a hell of a lot of more rounds to shoot before I make that decision. My G45 and G17g5 is rolling strong. But the little time I got behind the MP9 2.0 it is growing on me. Wardawg

 

[nksmfamjp]

Feeds multiple brands of ammo flawlessly, and shoots all to the sights. Fits easily in my right front pants pocket with a nylon pocket holster.

Only 3 things to do now!

1) figure out a way to guarantee that nothing other than your trigger finger…..and only that when you intend to fire it…anyways nothing never ever touches the trigger with 100% control. Since 100% control is impossible, I'd add regular prayer to your CCW routine!

2) get someone to adjust the trigger down to a light semi-smooth, semi-crisp pull….since you are in 100% control, this should be fine. I once had a Glock expert(his words, not mine) tell me all his Glocks were set at 1lb!

3) Attach things, replace parts, add stickers, etc until it is no longer reliable….yes, many people do this.

Yes, I'm a bit of a smarty, but I've seen/heard this enough that i thought I'd share. I would suggest getting a switch, but Mr. Bezos no longer sells those on his website….and they are illegal. I figured he went to prison, but he is getting married in Italy, so…

I'm glad it makes you happy. My Shield Plus thumb safety makes me happy too.

 

[DixieRanger]

Whether pocket or other carry repetitive practice will hopefully build muscle memory. That's where confidence comes into play. Finger outside trigger guard til on target. Control is an acquired skill. Leave the trigger alone if confidence is lacking. Anyone saying they use a 1lb trigger , i'd throw the BS flag.

 

[Kokodude]

I'm relatively new to the firearms world and started carrying five years back.
My first carry pistol was a Glock 43X.
At first, I carried with an empty chamber but then I had a Pitbull incident that made me realize I wouldn't have been able to fend off the dog, draw the gun and rack the slide.
So, I started carrying with one in the chamber.
Eventually I moved over to a P365X with a safety.
The lack of a trigger safety on that gun made it a necessity in my book.
Now I'm moving on to a CSX E-Series (3.6).
I carry cocked-and-locked.
The addition of a trigger safety is icing on the cake.

 

[WildBillWJW]

Nothing against Glock, but they are not cheap compared to a lot of other equally reliable striker fired pistols.

I can not think of a single firearm, cheaper than a Glock, that is as reliable as a Glock?

 

[WildBillWJW]

Canik hasn't let me down, if it does I will let you know.

The last time I was at the pistol range there was a guy there shooting his Canik. I had read some fantastic things concerning the Canik. And this guy was real proud of his pistol, and went into detail on its advantages. Then as we got back to actually shooting I noticed this guy having numerous stops, and in one struggling to unjam his gun…and he was shooting factory ammo? Needless to say, I left the range not impressed with the Canik, and its small savings over the Glock!

 

[WildBillWJW]

In fact, I have had more shooting issues, failures to fire, cylinders locking up, etc. With several of my S&W and Colt revolvers than I have had with any of my Glocks. And were any of those cheaper than a Glock?

 

[DixieRanger]

Think this thread has bout run it's course with over 100 posts. With the title being,"In Praise of a Glock' being some what misleading in that the Glock in it's 40+yr history has likely been the most controversial pistol in recent history. They are hated by some and praised by others. My final thought is why would many LE departments and military units including Delta and Seal teams use the Glock if tests considered them poor design and unworthy due to striker system, lack of an external safety and are just butt ugly?

 

[judgecrater]

I can not think of a single firearm, cheaper than a Glock, that is as reliable as a Glock?

Nor can I.

 

[DixieRanger]

Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'...

 

[robho40]

Taurus G2-G3 Series works 100% for me!

 

[Tony Tiger]

When your Glock isnt quite acting right...