Inane moronic question from a newby doing research

Someone always has to defacate in the punchbowl.

How many novels have you written?
None, but I sometimes read them. Some folks write credible tales, with credible background. Some folks just exercise their imaginations, with very little connection to reality. They write things that are not true, and don't care at all, or don't care very much. Some people even believe them. If I wrote imaginatively about the experiences of a policeman or a surgeon or an accountant, I would be a liar. So are some others.



Pretty sure Jules Verne never traveled to the center of the Earth, George Orwell never lived to 1984, Gene Rodenberry never traveled at warp speed.
Yes, and those novels are widely regarded as fiction. Not all fiction is regarded so.

Well, Model520Fan, you have a great day, too!:)
You, too. Hope you enjoyed the punch!
 
Instead of the hammer falling on an empty chamber, have your hero's/villain's hammer fall on a "dud" cartridge.
BTW, there are some few automatics that don't stay open after the last round is fired. My French MAB does not. I don't remember if it was manufactured in the Twenties or not.
Best of luck.
Can you post the title of anything you have written?
 
Mig, if you are still with us on this thread after being pretty roughly treated here and there, I applaud your efforts to learn what you need to make your novel credible and readable. You are absolutely doing the right thing. I wish you well as you develop it.

Our libraries would be poorer if people only wrote fiction about things they themselves had actually experienced. Good authors try to get it right.
 
I think Mig left us to watch some Utube videos.


Papa

A Norwegian girl has one on the Kongsberg M-1914 vs. the genuine Colt item, a .45 auto. Katharina is sort of the Norse version of Hickok 45. And Mig could indeed learn from her posts.
But that old TN school teacher probably has the widest variety of YouTube gun videos. Kat is just easier to look at. Here, she shows how the slide locks back and is released on reloading. Mig needs to see that done.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfOBDgafJYE[/ame]
 
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Many, many, many thanks to everyone. I'm overwhelmed, touched and humbled. Never did I hope for such a profusion of generous and helpful responses. You are princes all, or in the case of any ladies the best kind of princess. I'd like to name characters in my book after each and every one of you. Hell, I'd like to name children after you, but given some of your handles I suspect the mother would object.

I'm frantically and gratefully taking notes, clicking on links, consulting youtube and looking for books as per your recommendations. I do think most of my questions have already been answered above anyway, and between you you've saved me from making at least two other basic mistakes - I'm not saying which out of embarrassment. (But there -may- have been something on LoboGunLeather's list, and dave's bit about sparking bullets -may- have caused me to look down at my fingernails whistling. And I may or may not have mentioned cordite which may or may not be wrong in context.)

Speaking of embarrassment – yeah, by Browning 1911, I meant Colt M1911.

I already knew how high the standard of expertise was here, but – some of you ought to be writing books on this topic if you aren't already.

As for the offers of further and more specific help – thanks again but you've given me more than enough already. And I certainly don't want to post passages, rwsmith, without rewriting in view of what I've already learned. And I'm tempted by as well as grateful for your offer, Onomea, and it could be fun, but I'd have to talk about my book too much, which I hold to be unlucky before it's done.

I may actually have a couple of follow-ups, but it's the middle of the night here and the answers may already lie in what you've given me.

Re the argument on whether imagination/research or experience is better – I'm sort of in between – I certainly ought to and do want to handle guns for myself; maybe if the book does well I could afford to make that trip to Nevada or Florida. The book is intended to be a fun swashbuckling fantasy – but I don't want to get basic things wrong.

Out of curiosity rather than research – those of you with combat (or LEO or self-defence) experience – is there any book or writer, fiction or otherwise, who you think really gets that right?

WR Moore – I'm fascinated to learn that people do forget to count rounds in the heat of battle – thanks for that.

Telecaster – yeah, I think in Leslie Charteris's Saint books, set in the 30s and on, he calls semi-auto pistols automatics.

Texas Star – O'Donnell's Modesty Blaise books are some of my favourite thrillers – I should re-read them with this in mind – I'm already re-reading Fleming – I'm glad to know they both get a thumbs-up for knowing their stuff. And 'The Lost World' was repeated here last year and I bloody loved it. And I'm delighted you got Roxton and Marguerite hitched! Can I ask what the pistols were that Roxton used on the show?

Nicky 4968 – I'd rather not post the titles of previous books – again from embarrassment – as grateful as I am to you all, I don't want you to be able to say, 'Oh, that guy, he knows sweet FA about guns, we had to tell him what happens when you try to fire an empty one.' (Not that anyone will have heard of me, but just in case the book does well.) I have published two in other genres but this is my first with action sequences.

Apologies for unavoidably belated response and to anyone I haven't responded to specifically who I ought to have but I really must go to bed now. Again, deepest thanks to everyone who replied, you lot are great. And the above is fascinating and informative on things far beyond what I wanted to know.
 
(I originally tried to post this on Sunday night, and got an 'awaiting approval' message, but it never went through, leaving me looking rude; I hope this attempt fares better.)

Many, many, many thanks to everyone. I'm overwhelmed, touched and humbled. Never did I hope for such a profusion of generous and helpful responses. You are princes all, or in the case of any ladies the best kind of princess. I'd like to name characters in my book after each and every one of you. Hell, I'd like to name children after you, but given some of your handles I suspect the mother would object.

I'm frantically and gratefully taking notes, clicking on links, consulting youtube and looking for books as per your recommendations. I do think most of my questions have already been answered above anyway, and between you you've saved me from making at least two other basic mistakes - I'm not saying which out of embarrassment. (But there -may- have been something on LoboGunLeather's list, and dave's bit about sparking bullets may have caused me to look down at my fingernails whistling. And I may or may not have mentioned cordite which may or may not be wrong in context.)

Speaking of embarrassment – yeah, by Browning 1911, I meant Colt M1911.

I already knew how high the standard of expertise was here, but – some of you ought to be writing books on this topic if you aren't already.

As for the offers of further and more specific help – thanks again but you've given me more than enough already. And I certainly don't want to post passages, rwsmith, without rewriting in view of what I've already learned. And I'm tempted by as well as grateful for your offer, Onomea, but I'd have to talk about my book too much, which I hold to be unlucky before it's done.

I may actually have a couple of follow-ups, but it's the middle of the night here and the answers may already lie in what you've given me.

Re the argument on whether imagination/research or experience is better – I'm sort of in between – I certainly ought to and do want to handle guns for myself; maybe if the book does well I could afford to make that trip to Nevada or Florida. The book is intended to be a fun swashbuckling fantasy – but I don't want to get basic things wrong.

Out of curiosity rather than research – those of you with combat (or LEO or self-defence) experience – is there any book or writer, fiction or otherwise, who you think really gets that right?

WR Moore – I'm fascinated to learn that people do forget to count rounds in the heat of battle – thanks for that.

Telecaster – yeah, I think in Leslie Charteris's Saint books, set in the 30s and on, he calls semi-auto pistols automatics.

Texas Star – O'Donnell's Modesty Blaise books are some of my favourite thrillers – I should re-read them with this in mind – I'm already re-reading Fleming – I'm glad to know they both get a thumbs-up for knowing their stuff. And 'The Lost World' was repeated here last year and I bloody loved it. And I'm delighted you got Roxton and Marguerite hitched! Can I ask what the pistols were that Roxton used on the show?

Nicky 4968 – I'd rather not post the titles of previous books – again from embarrassment – as grateful as I am to you all, I don't want you to be able to say, 'Oh, that guy, he knows sweet FA about guns, we had to tell him what happens when you try to fire an empty one.' (Not that anyone will have heard of me, but just in case the book does well.) I have published two in other genres but this is my first with action sequences.

Apologies for unavoidably belated response and to anyone I haven't responded to specifically who I ought to have but I really must go to bed now. Again, deepest thanks to everyone who replied, you lot are great. And the above is fascinating and informative on things far beyond what I wanted to know.
 
(Bumping this thread, I hope, so people at least see my post above thanking everyone, which has belatedly gone through after being caught in cyber-limbo.)
 
Thanks for your pleasant response. I wish you well with your book project.

As a two-tour Vietnam combat veteran I can tell you definitively that it is not possible to keep accurate count of rounds fired in combat. We loaded our M16 rifles with a combination of ball (standard) ammo and tracer (incendiary, light-emitting) ammo, usually 4 ball, 1 tracer, 4 ball, 1 tracer, 4 ball, then 4 tracers (18 rounds total in a 20-round magazine, which prevented feeding problems from excessive magazine spring tension). The final 4 tracer rounds alerted the shooter that he had reached into the bottom of the magazine and it was time to reload.

Contrary to popular belief, almost all of our shooting in combat was done in semi-automatic mode. Our training emphasized the need to conserve ammunition (only so much a man can carry for days on end while humping the boonies) and to maximize accurate shooting. The "spray and pray" method was never common or popular among actual combat veterans. Full automatic fire is intended primarily to increase the probability of hitting an intended target when engaging moving targets, or when shooting at extended ranges (beyond 200 meters or so).

Handguns are not generally considered to be adequate combat weapons. The exception is for very close contact situations, particularly within confined areas (houses, bunkers, tunnels, etc). I kept my M1911A-1 pistol loaded with all tracer ammo, which allowed me to quickly shift fire on close-range targets by watching the path of the bullets fired. I recall one incident in which I fired several times at a moving enemy within a "hootch" (small hut type dwelling), and one bullet bounced around on the floor with a bright red glare from the tracer element, causing one of my younger soldiers to go into conniption fits thinking that he saw the burning fuse element of a live hand grenade only a few feet away!

Do I need to explain the effects on human ears and brain when exposed to gunfire within an enclosed space? Devastating, to say the least. Forget all the nonsense about gunfights ending with anyone walking away comfortably, or even with normal senses functioning. Just does not happen that way.

I recall another time when we were about to enter a bunker to clear it, lobbed in a couple of grenades to make sure we weren't walking into a death trap, and up pops a NVA soldier from another entrance about 10 yards away. As he raised his AK-47 rifle I fired my .45 pistol, striking the receiver of the rifle and the bullet glancing off, then striking the bad guy in the lower jaw, breaking his jaw, knocking loose several teeth, and rendering him unconscious. I was awarded a 3-day in-country R&R trip for taking a live prisoner, and I'm sure that old boy is now telling his grandchildren about his heroic stand against American interference in the Vietnamese Civil War.

Followed up two combat tours with a 24 year career in law enforcement. A few more entertaining tales to tell, but only a couple smelling of gun smoke (let's not get into the politics, shall we?).

After that I worked in insurance investigations and built a small business making holsters and accessories for customers in all 50 US states and 33 other countries. The company continues under new ownership as I occupy my time with more mundane pursuits, such as shooting on the range a couple of times per week, playing poker at my club, and having the occasional adult beverage).

For questions on firearms, ammunition, combat usage, and related gear feel free to use the PM function. I'm retired now so I can spend some time responding to your inquiries.

Best regards.
 

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