Interesting experience at a "no firearms allowed" restaurant

[BobR1]

A few years ago our CCW Law got stalled just before going into affect. I stopped at a convenience store that had the No Concealed Weapons sign up before our CCW was approved.

I told the lady behind the counter that if the sign was still up my next visit I would take my business some where else.

We got concealed carry, and the sign was down my next visit. My guess is I was not the only one to express my opinion on the sign.

Bob

 

[SgtLumpy]

"What was really discouraging about the whole incident was that my son, who is in law enforcement, seems to agree with this manager that having a "no guns allowed" policy makes him, and likely other customers "feel" safer. Amazing and sad."

I'm disappointed at your son's position on this! I would certainly think a LEO would know better than to believe that a sign prohibiting CCW in a privately owned establishment makes for a safer place??

It might seem a disappointment at first view.

But consider -

Cops respond to PROBLEMS with guns. They respond to drive by's, murders, all kinds of bad guys with guns. They don't respond to "good guys with guns". There's no need. There essentially aren't any "incidents" with good guys carrying guns. Beat cops, especially young beat cops, are rightfully glad to see "another gun taken off the street". Because that gun is being taken out of the hands of a gang banger or other bad guy.

It's hard (for me at least) to blame front line cops for thinking that way.

Now having suggested all that, I realize the relative cop in this thread perhaps feels safer with a "no guns policy". I know that seems backwards to essentially all of us. But don't forget that most cops aren't gun guys. The guns they'd rather not see are the same guns WE would rather not see (bad guy guns). Those non gun guy cops may not have the slightest idea what recreational shooting is all about.


Sgt Lumpy

 

[photoman]

Unfortunately, modern thinking is based on fantasy, not reality and feelings instead of logic. Don't waste your time talking to an adult that has the mental maturity of a pimply faced thirteen year old who thinks Tiger Beat magazine is reality. Just carry and don't let them see it.

 

[SgtLumpy]

... Don't waste your time talking to an adult that has the mental maturity of a pimply faced thirteen year old who thinks Tiger Beat magazine is reality...

I think my irony meter just broke.


Sgt Lumpy

 

[Don 73]

I wish I could find it, but there is a piece written about Sheepdogs VS wolves and the Sheeple's feelings about both.

They are afraid of the wolf because of the sharp fangs and claws and the ability to commit acts of violence towards them.

But they are ALSO afraid of the sheepdog because he also has sharp claws and fangs and can also commit acts of violence (against the wolves of society), even though the sheepdog would NEVER harm the sheeple and the sheepdog is charged with protecting the very sheeple that fear and are sometimes revolted by him.

They don't understand that the fangs and claws of the sheepdog are there for their defense, they only see fangs and claws and fear them because that's what sheeple do.

Pity the sheeple, they live their lives in fear and willl almost never change.

 

[joonbis]

We must not watch/read the same things...I haven't heard of a ND in recent memory...anywhere. If it were occurring I'm sure the media would jump on it. I would venture to say that there are far more robberies every day than ND's.

That stuff aside I believe businesses can do as they see fit and I don't carry where it's posted out of respect...I disagree but since I don't own the place...

Haven't heard of any nd here either but even if it was to happen, the odds of it actually killing someone are alot less than a criminal making aim, IMO.

 

[cmort666]

What was really discouraging about the whole incident was that my son, who is in law enforcement, seems to agree with this manager that having a "no guns allowed" policy makes him, and likely other customers "feel" safer. Amazing and sad.

Stupid is as stupid does, and stupidity is the fundamental foundation of gun control advocacy.

 

[cmort666]

Unfortunately, modern thinking is based on fantasy, not reality and feelings instead of logic.

It's also based on "feelings" substituted for reality. If you don't "feel" that something should or even COULD happen, you can just pretend that it never will. "I've never needed a gun." is code for, "I'm special and bad things only happen to OTHER people."

 

[vito]

The comments about LEO attitudes make sense. Since cops are primarily dealing with the lowest scum of society, they probably develop a healthy skepticism about the goodness of people. That might make the thought of having average Joe citizen carrying a loaded gun, in locations where the off duty cop takes his family, a scary prospect. Maybe in states that have had concealed carry for many years, police have gradually learned that the licensed armed citizen is not a threat, but a help for him in doing his job. It will just take awhile for this to happen in Wisconsin and Illinois where concealed carry is very new, or about to come into effect respectively.

 

[zeke]

After moving to Wi in 1992, was extremely relieved to get out of the Madison area 4 years later. While some good attributes for the younger crowd, otherwise known as yuppie central for the greater Midwest.

The further, the sooner, the better. You're not gonna change their minds, and ain't worth trying.

 

[photoman]

Pity the sheeple, they live their lives in fear and willl almost never change.

I agree 100%.

 

[Arik]

Sounds like a pretty good reason for the OP to speak with him. Like, if you do and say stupid things in public, you SHOULD have people reacting to you. How else are you going to learn? BTW, I don't think that the OP told him how to run his business - he just asked him some questions and gave the guy the opportunity to do his own job of showing how stupid he was.

No its not. Not carrying is not stupid and it's a personal choice. It's not for everyone, just like not everyone drives. My parents don't carry, never have and don't feel the need to nor feel threatened by people who do. It's irrelevant to them. That's their choice.

And yes if you walk into someone's business and tell him what he needs to allow that is telling him how to run his business.



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[ImprovedModel56Fan]

No its not. Not carrying is not stupid and it's a personal choice. It's not for everyone, just like not everyone drives. My parents don't carry, never have and don't feel the need to nor feel threatened by people who do. It's irrelevant to them. That's their choice.

And yes if you walk into someone's business and tell him what he needs to allow that is telling him how to run his business.



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I didn't say that not carrying is stupid, although sometimes it is. I was referring to the arguments of the manager in the original post. The OP was performing a public and personal service by confronting the manager's stupidity, whether the manager liked it or not.

I don't particularly care whether the OP was "telling him how to run his business," but if you do, you can re-read the post and decide for yourself whether that was going on. If so, then I guess it was a case where I think that "telling him how to run his business" was a public and personal service. Of course, you can argue that the manager was not educable, and you would be right or wrong, having a corresponding effect on whether the OP's action was a personal service to the manager. However, I feel that it is to his credit that he gave it a shot.

 

[photoman]

Nothing wrong with telling the owner your opinion. Most would appreciate the feedback. Just be realistic about how effective the conversation might be.

 

[ca survivor]

here in Florida those signs hold no sand, all they can do is ask you to leave if you're made, but conceal means conceal though.

 

[Faulkner]

I hope all you guys with the bad eyesight aren't sitting at the table next to me when the shooting starts. Just saying.

 

[C Broad Arrow]

You will not convince the manager of a retail establishment to change their "no gun" policy in a discussion. Never going to happen.

What does have an impact is a photocopy of the dinner bill or the receipt for purchases not bought at the "no guns" allowed store sent along with a note to the president of the company explaining why you went to a competitor. The only currency worth trading in is dollars. Words and arguments are better spent explaining why someone lost a sale rather than trying to convince some poor outlet manager to change a policy he has no authority over.

 

[Lost Lake]

Hooray to the OP for trying to educate the establishment about guns.

I believe many places don't give much thought before posting a 'no gun' sign. The liberals in Madison run around handing them out spouting fear, not common sense.

I have talked to several businesses and two places have taken their sign down.

Remember we have to fight for our rights.

.

 

[Donn]

Man I sure would hate it if people kept coming up to me and telling me how to run my business.

It's his problem not yours. He can have a sign if he likes and you can eat where you like

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[G.T. Smith]

I agree

Hi:
At my age my eye sight is somewhat limited, so I NEVER observed the "No Guns Allowed" signs. CONCEALED means out of sight.

I either don't read the signs or simply rely on the fact that my firearm is concealed well. I really can't see well close up without my glasses. If it was that important, I would just go some place where they don't have a sign prohibiting firearms.

Peace,
gordon