Interesting questin: How many rounds?

statistically a handful is plenty but if people are comfortable w/ carrying more, why not? What is the downside to carrying more if they want to and decide to? NONE.

Even for the slimmer single stacks, its easy to carry another mag if you choose to do so. Thinking in an initial encounter you have a few rounds to get you to a safer place where you could have time to reload.

The video is kinda dumb. It just points out that stats say 5 is enough, but he gives no good reason or opportunity cost to carry more if you wish. MOOT point video.
 
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If we are going by statistical chances of needing to fire our sidearm in self defense, the argument could easily be made that the odds are so slim that we don't NEED to carry at all, so I throw that argument out. Yes, scenarios where you will need a reload are remote, but so are scenarios where you will even need a gun. If you ever do need to fire, then the chances that you might need a reload just went up DRAMATICALLY!

I think an extra mag or two is only common sense if you are carrying a semiauto. Magazines do fail. With revolvers it is pretty easy to at least carry a speed strip if not a speedloader or extra moonclip.

Bottom line, I can't think of a legitimate downside of carrying extra ammo.
 
Well:
In the past when the average LEO carried 12 rounds on his gun belt and six rounds in his revolver, I carried 24 rounds on my gun belt, six rounds in my service revolver and five to six rounds in my "BUG" (S&W "J" Frame or Colt Cobra). Better to have too many then not enough.

The old Safariland double-dump box (78H/78HV) came with a plastic liner the removal of which allowed you to carry six rounds of 44 in the pouch. Or you could remove the liner and stuff 11 rounds of 357 Magnum in each pouch. That would mean you had 40 rounds on your belt. Unless, of course, you were carrying a Shoemaker speedloader pouch with three speedloaders for 46 rounds. Man, that belt was heavy. But reassuring when you were miles away from anybody else.

Why, yes, I do still have a couple. ;)
 
So if I'm carrying my 4006, I don't have to take my bag with the exta 40 magazines that I have for it then?

No, I think 15 extra magazines ought to be enough. :D

It all depends on what enables you to feel comfortable while out in the big bad world.

In the service revolver days almost everyone out on the street had a box of 50 rounds in their briefcase.
 
I actually want answers, but it's inevitable that the cute sayings are going to show up.:cool:
Consider me well and truly rebuked. Second childhood.
You're right Protected One and I wasn't trying to rebuke you shouldazagged, or anyone else. I was actually trying to nudge things back on target because I think it can be an interesting discussion.

The answer for me is simple and not based on numbers. A revolver is fine with whatever it holds as long as the shooter has practiced.

A semi-auto, regardless of magazine capacity, requires a back up mag. Without that, it could malfunction and then there is no way to get back in the fight. While it is unlikely anyone will need the extra rounds, or even to get back in the fight after the first shot, the ability to maintain fighting ability is a requirement.

Second, missing with many rounds can be effective as well.
This may have worked a time or two, but is a very poor method of thinking. No instructor worth their salt would ever teach that. No defender that really wants to win will ever think that.

She was confronted with 3 thugs breaking into her home. She fired multiple shots, no hits, and 2 of them ran away. The 3rd pulled his gun and went to go back in, she fired more shots. If she would have been limited to just 5 rounds it's very likely that her and her children would be dead.
This is one example of how a woman got lucky. She shouldn't have missed at first.
 
You're right Protected One and I wasn't trying to rebuke you shouldazagged, or anyone else. I was actually trying to nudge things back on target because I think it can be an interesting discussion.


Thanks for the attempted nudge. An interesting discussion is what I was hoping for. Not expecting anyone to remove rounds from their 5+ capacity mags or leave their spares at home. But I was hoping that some would see the logic that separates what one chooses to carry, from what one is realistically likelly to need.
For the record: I carry 13+1 with a spare mag in the car.


The answer for me is simple and not based on numbers. A revolver is fine with whatever it holds as long as the shooter has practiced.

A semi-auto, regardless of magazine capacity, requires a back up mag. Without that, it could malfunction and then there is no way to get back in the fight. While it is unlikely anyone will need the extra rounds, or even to get back in the fight after the first shot, the ability to maintain fighting ability is a requirement.

Agree. 100%

This is one example of how a woman got lucky. She shouldn't have missed at first.

Her husband had just given her the gun in the last two weeks, and I doubt she did ANY practicing. Still, the flaw in her logic is firing shots to let them know she did in fact have a gun. The rounds should have been fired center mass...I think that would have got the same point across. In my opinion all she did is set herself up for a future break in by the same thugs - only THIS time, all 3 will be armed!
 
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This subject is rather like the "caliber debate" in that there's any number of answers, and any of them can be right, wrong or irrelevant depending on the situational context.

I often carry a 5-shot .38 Spl snub as a retirement weapon. Why? They're handy, light and convenient for those times when I don't care to belt on a large, heavier handgun. I still train, practice & qualify with them, too.

Would I carry one as a primary service weapon? Nope. But I would carry one as a secondary/backup weapon (and as an off-duty/retirement/LEOSA weapon).

I've known folks involved in shootings. The most common "realization" I've heard expressed? Aimed fire can become very critical (regardless of available capacity, but if the realization comes later in the shooting incident, having enough remaining capacity to start making aimed shots is a good thing).

I can think of a home invasion where one of the family members exhausted a 5-shot revolver and died.

I can think of a cop who successfully used a 5-shot revolver to stop 3 armed robbery suspects.

I can think of a cop who died holding a 5-shot revolver when intervening during an armed robbery.

I can think of many examples offered during a couple of different training classes (street tactics & LEOKA) where 5-shot revolvers successfully saved the lives of an impressive number of cops, both on & off-duty.

My thoughts on capacity have obviously been influenced by my career, including my involvement as a firearms instructor. I carried a 6-shot service revolver as a young cop, and either a 6 or 5-shot revolver off-duty, or my Colt Commander (7-rd mags back then).

I carried a variety of issued pistols over the years, starting with 14, 15 & then 12-rd 9mm's, followed by 12 & 9-rd .40's and then 8 & 7-rd .45's at the end of my career. If I were going to choose a new service weapon today, it would probably be a 9mm, in whatever capacity configuration was available at the moment. I tend to like the recoil management & controllability of the 9's ... and if it had been permitted, I'd have finished my career carrying one of my last issued 6906 12-rd guns. ;)

Ammunition capacity can be a good thing, but it oughtn't be considered as a substitute for mindset, skillset or the proper understanding and use of awareness & tactics.

I've sometimes suspected that some folks tried (intentionally or unintentionally) to lean on "capacity" the same way they leaned on "better bullets" or bigger calibers in lieu of emphasis on personal skillsets, perseverance in training, frequency of proper practice and cultivating an optimal mindset for facing threats and potential deadly force encounters.

A rabbit's foot just takes up space in your pocket, and a handgun on the hip (or in the pocket) ought not to be a talisman.

Avoidance is a good thing, but denial isn't such a good thing.

I certainly don't have the "right" answer for any particular situation or person, and the "right" answer for me can vary from one day or anticipated situation or set of potential circumstances to the next. Probably why I still have a safe full of handguns and keep running through them on the range.

I'll offer this and stop the rambling ...

Regardless of what handgun I've carried on or off-duty (caliber or capacity) I never considered myself well-armed, but just armed. It was still just a handgun, after all. When I was on-duty and knew enough in advance of a serious deadly threat, the shotgun came out of the car ... (and if we'd had the right locking trunk racks for my plainclothes car before I retired, I'd have added a rifle to the shotgun I carried in the trunk).
 
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The odds that the guy offered in the vid are misleading. If you are a street corner drug dealer you're a bunch more likely to be involved in a shooting than average law abiding Joe not involved in criminal or other high risk activities. The shootings around here are generally confined to certain areas. Stay away from those areas and you are safer carrying nothing than wandering around in those areas with 100rds.

IMO, carrying your head on straight is generally more effective than carrying more ammo in the life of average Joe.

5 shot revolver and LCP.
 
IMO, carrying your head on straight is generally more effective than carrying more ammo in the life of average Joe.
I think this is more important than any discussion of how many rounds.

I don't have statistics to back this up, but I'll bet those who carry are less likely to get in situations where they need to defend themselves.
 
...I don't have statistics to back this up, but I'll bet those who carry are less likely to get in situations where they need to defend themselves.

I've always hoped that was the case. Something tells me that's the way you teach your classes.

"I'm armed and this situation doesn't look great. The best thing I can do is to leave/not go in"

That's much better than -

"I'm not afraid of nutin'. I got a gun with 50 rounds. Waitress, bring me another beer"


Sgt Lumpy
 
my answer revolves around the capacity of a car and the Rhodesian drill.
15 rounds minimum, to drop everyone who came out of that car. Odds are I will never need that much before resolution is achieved
 
Do we need only five rds for concealed carry or do we need more. That should be up to the wants of the individual and not even an argument here.You can give any scenario you can think of and something else will occur.

You can cite all the statistics you want about LEO and the percentage of shots fired versus hits and it isn't necessarily comforting to someone like me the average citizen who practices but still doesn't know how he'll react in a life or death situation.At least in home defense one would think the homeowner would have the advantage to some degree.

Someone in this thread talked about 5rds being sufficient vs 13rds.You might stop the threat with 5 or less shots fired but then again you might not.I'd rather know that I have 8 more rds just in case.

I also think another variable might be if your position in a situation is purely defensive or offensive.Are you defending yourself personally or did a situation arise while you were in a diner eating and you decided to take an offensive position in taking down the perp.

Sorry if I wander a bit but if we were all as good a shot as they are in the movies a six shot revolver would be all we would ever need.
 
I think this is more important than any discussion of how many rounds.

I don't have statistics to back this up, but I'll bet those who carry are less likely to get in situations where they need to defend themselves.

I would hope this is true for most of us.

I know that for me, "situational awareness" is my first line of defense.

My EDC is a Colt Detective Special. I carry one speed strip. Like a previous poster stated, if you need to reload, you're up a creek anyway. And if I have a chance to reload, there's a pretty good chance I can run for it!

Lately, however, I have started carrying my Model 39 once in a while, depending where I'm at. I didn't want to start carrying it before I had a chance to practice with the first shot DA, second shot SA. It took a little time to get the hang of that! But with that and a back up mag, I have 17 rounds total, and I'm comfortable with that.
 
I think carrying five or six rounds is fine. To carry more than that can put you in bad light if you were ever forced to draw and fire your weapon. Carrying more than one weapon,IMO, could indicate to an attorney that you were looking for a fight.

I think we should get over the Zombie B.S. and get on with life. Carry a firearm with the hope you never fire it. Go to the range, practice and shoot as much as you want. Be prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones, the rest will have to take the responsiblity to do the same.

If it is a home invasion I will stop the threat!

Good Luck

I would have to disagree regarding carrying two guns being interpreted as looking for a fight. I carry two revolvers, which hold five rounds each, that's a total of 10 rounds. That is still less rounds than one person carrying a semi automatic and one 15 round magazine. Normally I carry at least 4 speed loaders, two with 44 special rounds and two with 38 Special P+ rounds. If I should on occasion carrying only one revolver then I carry 15 of the 44 Special rounds in 3 speed loader, if I carry only the 38 Special I carry 4 speed loaders, (20 rounds). One of the reasons I carry two revolvers is for a difference in situations. With a pocket holster I can place my hand on the gun without un-concealing if need be. But I am not in a contest to carry the least number of rounds or handguns I need. Two is all I can comfortably manage. While I don't think I will encounter a zombie or a knockout player, I do not play such games, but if I do encounter one who attacks me he will be leaking badly. I stop doing physical fights long before I got to be an old man.:)
 
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I carry either 10 rounds or 17 rounds in my Ruger SR9c, 17 rounds in my M&P 9, or 8 rounds in my American Classic 1911 Commander (while carrying my Ruger LCP as a BUG). Recently, I've also been carrying my Ruger LCP as my BUG in my jacket's chest/document pocket, no matter which primary EDC gun I choose. I think I'm going to get an ankle holster for the LCP soon. In the Summer, I'll probably only carry one gun since I'll only be wearing a t-shirt and shorts.
 
I'd like to add it's not easy to draw while driving my truck if I only have one gun in a hip holster. My Ruger LCP in my jacket's chest/document pocket makes drawing while driving very easy. I use to have a Ruger LCR with an ankle holster, and it was very easy to draw from my ankle while sitting in my truck too. I don't care what others think about "looking for a fight" while carrying two guns. If....IF I am lucky to survive the encounter, I'll deal with the judge and jury when the time comes.
 
Well, since I am a gentleman here is my opinion. :D

Video explores the concept of "what MINIMUM round capacity is enough for civilians to carry around without risking their safety in a self defense situation outside of their home or business"...
Then he goes in to the statistics to point out how many rounds ever needed for a self defense situation by civilians.

He is just pointing out that the statistics indicates that it is a very, very slim to none chance that a CCW will ever;
-involve in a situation where a gun will be needed for self-defense,
and even if that situation arises;
-just presenting the gun will solve the problem most of the times,
if the gun's presentation wasn't enough to stop the threat and the gun has to be fired, again;
-in most of those cases gun was fired only once...
and if one shot didn't end the situation, in very extremely rare cases;
-a maximum of 3 shots were sufficient to end the self defense situation.

So based on that data, his conclusion developed as "you'll be ok if you are carrying a 5 round revolver".

Somebody above mentioned very correctly. If you have to reload (no matter what capacity of a gun) you are NOT in a self defense situation. You are in a gun battle!

So, this video presents an opinion that carrying a 5 round capacity revolver is sufficient enough for a CCW without risking safety in almost every self defense case.

He is just making that point! That's all!

Again, not a rule... Just a point!
You carry whatever make you feel safer. Agreed!

The point is, if you are carrying 10+1 in the gun and another 20 rounds in two extra magazines, it is just because that's what make you feel safe, otherwise NOT because most self defense situations require 15-20 or even more rounds to be fired!

The message I got from this video is, any CCW out there doesn't have to feel unsafe IF not carrying a 17 round capacity semi-auto with 2 extra magazines.

This may be a controversial issue over here but I agree with the point he makes!
 
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my answer revolves around the capacity of a car and the Rhodesian drill.
15 rounds minimum, to drop everyone who came out of that car. Odds are I will never need that much before resolution is achieved

What if the car is full of Circus clowns and 23 of them pile out of that Mini C:eek: :eek:per? :D
 
On a serious note I carry 2 reloads, so 33 and 36 rounds respectively. I don't see that it's takes up that much space and it's better to have and not need and all that.
 
I also think another variable might be if your position in a situation is purely defensive or offensive.Are you defending yourself personally or did a situation arise while you were in a diner eating and you decided to take an offensive position in taking down the perp.

As a private citizen with no duty to respond (IMO) I should never be in an offensive position. I didn't get a CHP so I could "take down perps" according to the letter that came with the card my CHP is for the defense of myself and family when all other measures have failed.
 
So, this video presents an opinion that carrying a 5 round capacity revolver is sufficient enough for a CCW without risking safety in almost every self defense case.


I agree with your take on the point of the video, and you stated it very, very well!

More "specifically" though, his point is that carrying 5 rounds (revolver or other) is sufficient without risking safety in almost every self defense situation.
 
The odds that the guy offered in the vid are misleading. If you are a street corner drug dealer you're a bunch more likely to be involved in a shooting than average law abiding Joe not involved in criminal or other high risk activities. The shootings around here are generally confined to certain areas. Stay away from those areas and you are safer carrying nothing than wandering around in those areas with 100rds.

IMO, carrying your head on straight is generally more effective than carrying more ammo in the life of average Joe.

5 shot revolver and LCP.

Not misleading at all; the street corner drug dealer is NOT your average citizen (just as LEO's are not) and thus, are not included in his odds.:
 
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Do we need only five rds for concealed carry or do we need more. That should be up to the wants of the individual and not even an argument here.You can give any scenario you can think of and something else will occur.

You can cite all the statistics you want about LEO and the percentage of shots fired versus hits and it isn't necessarily comforting to someone like me the average citizen who practices but still doesn't know how he'll react in a life or death situation.At least in home defense one would think the homeowner would have the advantage to some degree.

Someone in this thread talked about 5rds being sufficient vs 13rds.You might stop the threat with 5 or less shots fired but then again you might not.I'd rather know that I have 8 more rds just in case.

I also think another variable might be if your position in a situation is purely defensive or offensive.Are you defending yourself personally or did a situation arise while you were in a diner eating and you decided to take an offensive position in taking down the perp.

Sorry if I wander a bit but if we were all as good a shot as they are in the movies a six shot revolver would be all we would ever need.

There is certainly a difference between what is "statistically" needed and what someone "feels" is needed.
Almost everyone feels the need to carry more than 5 rounds, but the video addresses what is typically need in actual occurances.....big difference.:cool:
 
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i carry 14+1 in my gun, 2 spare 14 round mags. i feel that hsould be enough for MOST situations should the arise.

gotta love my galco miami classic :)
 
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