Iron Sights Question.

[OldYooper]

I feel for me my iron sights are a hindering me with my red dot
on my P365XL. I Want to remove them. What do you good people
think about this idea? Thanks for reading. OldYooper.

 

[cololab]

I wouldn't as any electronic device can fail. Are you so experienced with iron sights that you automatically and subconsciously see them instead of the red dot? I know that was what I experienced, but we're all different.

 

[rockquarry]

Unless you have vision problems that completely rule out iron sights, go with the iron sights. Simple, always works, and there is no unsightly and the in-the-way protuberance of an optical sight.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Unless you have vision problems that completely rule out iron sights, go with the iron sights. Simple, always works, and there is no unsightly and the in-the-way protuberance of an optical sight.

I am one of those purists when it comes to handguns who thinks that red dot sights are simply a nuisance and in the way. I have them on "MSRs" but I would never consider putting such a "protuberance" on a fighting handgun.

I recall when someone first used a red dot "scope" on an IPSC competition gun and it was a very big deal. But on a carry gun? No way....YMMV but it shouldn't.

 

[crows]

Are you using a red dot that doesn't require an adapter plate? Try one that isn't compatible with the specific foot print of your P365. That way you will need an adapter plate, best outcome your sights will be blocked. The worst, the sights will be in the very bottom of the window.
With this, you still have irons in case you want to go back to them.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

I have a red dot on a Glock 34. Considering how big that is I can still group better with my iron sight 365 XL. The Sig does fit my hand way better which to me is the most important factor.

 

[Eric300]

If I could have only one sight on a pistol it would a front sight.

 

[ms]

We all like to pretend that we haven't gotten old, or at least that aging hasn't changed things so much. I'm 61. Maybe 10 years ago it became obvious that I was no longer competitive in matches with poor lighting.

I denied for a long time, maybe 3 years ago got a dot sight, now have many of them.

My carry gun still has iron sights, but I have the same gun with a Holoson 407k. I'll switch to it for carry when I feel really comfortable with having the dot in the window off my index.

I've played with it at the range, and in poor lighting I'm obviously faster and more accurate with the dot.

In good lighting, I'm still a little faster with the irons, and never have the big pause trying to find the dot.

I probably should switch to the dot now, just not happy about it

 

[DETROIT]

I feel for me my iron sights are a hindering me with my red dot
on my P365XL. I Want to remove them. What do you good people
think about this idea? Thanks for reading. OldYooper.

You can always raise the red dot

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Lots of technology out there. Most will work, most of the time. Some will work all of the time. Some will fail at the worst possible time. The only common rule seems to be that the more we rely upon technology the more failure we will experience.

By the way, be sure and check the batteries regularly in your cell phone, your tactical light, your hearing aids, and your sights. Never know when you might need those to work.

 

[chief38]

OK - I guess I buck the trend on this one so don't get mad at me. I have owned a base model P365 for about 6 years now and would not consider installing any red dot or optic on it. IMHO and for me, the P365 has one purpose and that is as a self defense, CCW, EDC gun. I am not taking shots at 25 yards and 50 feet (just for personal satisfaction) is about the farthest I ever shoot my P365 at. 5-7 yards is what I consider about perfect for SD training and I see no reason for an optical sight at that distance.

Red dot sights do fail, do get knocked out of adjustment, do require batteries, do require special holsters, do add weight and bulk for CCW and are somewhat more difficult to pick up fast under certain conditions. I also believe that at 5 yards or less optical sights are not at all needed. Factory sights on the P365 are stuck on there like glue! They will never move under normal use or even rough use. They also glow in the dark - for what that is worth.

If you tell me you are going to shoot at 25 + yards than maybe, but I would not think so. IMHO optical sights do have their place for hunting, competition or precision shooting all of which the P365 would not be the best choice for.

OK -I doubt you wanted to hear my response but that is my honest feeling and answer. That said, I would would not take the factory sights off - I'd remove the red dot - but that is just my opinion for what that is worth. IMO many have come to rely on exotic gadgets for something that should (IMO) be as simple, reliable and easy as possible to operate, use and acquire great skills with. Selling optical sights for SD pistols used at close distances is more of a marketing money maker than advantage. OK - I admit I am a stubborn, old fart that learned and practice the basics. I do not like relying on more technology when life is at stake.

 

[WR Moore]

I'm in that camp where past a certain distance, the irons and I aren't compatible. That distance may vary for everyone.

Having used RDSs for decades, they're a supplement to the iron sights. As noted above, there's a slew of reasons the RDS might quit on you and you may desperately need some way to align the handgun with a threat. Keep the irons.

Getting comfortable with the RDS on a handgun takes work. You definitely need to raise the gun to your eyes and it helps some to bring the gun in closer to you as it comes up. You can always press it forward once you've acquired the dot. If your draw motion involves extending the arm and then rotating the arm up, you should consider, while the arm is still bent, driving the elbow forward to raise the gun to your eyes. With the RDS closer to your eyes, the field of view is wider and it's easier to find the dot.

 

[xfarfuldog]

***Nope!!!

 

[Doug M.]

I am, at this moment, carrying a Glock 19L (G17 with a shortened grip) with an Aimpoint Acro. My eyes have been poor a long time and no longer really correct well. Even at closer range, the improvement in precision is important to me. My first RDS did not work for me and was not an improvement (too high).

At close range, I can use the sight w/out finding the dot, in part because I cheated and used a suppressor height front.

 

[AJ]

I am with the folks that say dump the RedDot and keep the iron on a defense gun. Those fancy electronics fail or the battery dies at the most inopportune times. Don't have them on any of my handguns....Just "Old School" or in a vernacular you will understand "Old Corps".

 

[ISCS Yoda]

WR Moore wrote: Getting comfortable with the RDS on a handgun takes work. You definitely need to raise the gun to your eyes and it helps some to bring the gun in closer to you as it comes up. You can always press it forward once you've acquired the dot. If your draw motion involves extending the arm and then rotating the arm up, you should consider, while the arm is still bent, driving the elbow forward to raise the gun to your eyes. With the RDS closer to your eyes, the field of view is wider and it's easier to find the dot.

No. Just no. You simply do not have time in a threat situation to start looking for a red dot. Point and shoot. Get-r-dun!!!!

ms wrote: We all like to pretend that we haven't gotten old, or at least that aging hasn't changed things so much. I'm 61. Maybe 10 years ago it became obvious that I was no longer competitive in matches with poor lighting.

Exactly the proper use of an RDS. Match competition.

I don't care how old you are you just cannot pretend to believe you're going to win a gunfight by using an RDS on a handgun. Maybe at a distance, presuming you've suddenly found yourself in a 25-yard fight for your life. MAYBE. An unusual situation, clearly.

Or the classic 40-yard shot at a goblin in a shopping mall mass shooting. If that's what you're training for then okay, the RDS could be very useful. Good luck with that.

Up close and personal is typical. That's what I train for and where I keep my focus. And my iron sights.

 

[326MOD10]

Seems that most here have misunderstood the question that the OP asked.

Since you have already made up your mind, and intend to have a red dot on your handgun, I would not remove the iron sights.

I am unsure what type of dot you have on your 365XL but I have a 407K on mine. It has the groove in the rear that matches up with you rear sight so that you can utilize them if the red dot was to malfunction or become unusable. If you have the same set up removing the sight won't change a thing and may hamper you in the long run.

It is important to have a secondary set of sights based off Murphy and all his Laws.

You just have to keep both eyes open and those sights should disappear after you get used to the red dot.

Just my two cents worth and I hope that helps.

 

[oink]

I've been told by a trainer I respect, a younger guy of this century, although born at the tail of the last. His advice was to tape over the iron sights until you get used to finding the red dot 1st. I'd keep the irons on there as a backup option. Of course you may have to alter optic or iron height if you have a conflict with visibility.

 

[WR Moore]

No. Just no. You simply do not have time in a threat situation to start looking for a red dot. Point and shoot. Get-r-dun!!!!

OK, we're going to have to just agree we disagree. However, the average distance of a private citizen armed encounter is 5 yards. At that distance, most of us need some form of sight picture. The optical sight doesn't prevent you from doing point & shoot. Or, if you also have usable iron sights-and you should- using a flash sight picture.

The optic does give a massive advantage in reduced light and at longer ranges. That said, a lot of the folks buying them would be better off buying practice ammo and/or training.

 

[AJ]

Back in the "Old Days" when I was in the Corps, I was a combat pistol instructor. The course was designed with the help of Lt.Col. Jeff Cooper. Our first instructors were trained at Gun Site. We were taught "Flash Sight Picture" and caught only our front sight in a draw and fire situation (IE : a gunfight). We used this out to 15 yards. Still works for me, so no need to change.