IS RUGER QUALITY SUBSTANDARD?
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BrewsterII
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I frequent many firearm forums and although this is just MY opinion I will say that Ruger is having no more problems than our be-loved Smith & Wesson is currently having.
Both companies seem to be pushing production to the limits and QC seems to be lacking.
Ruger has built a reputation making strong, durable and reliable guns ...... and that is a statement you could argue until the cows come home!
Both companies seem to be pushing production to the limits and QC seems to be lacking.
Ruger has built a reputation making strong, durable and reliable guns ...... and that is a statement you could argue until the cows come home!
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I am not so sure about that. When you compare the MP Shield to the Ruger LC9s, the Ruger has a blued finish which in my book is not the right finish on a gun that will probably be subjected to lots of body sweat. The MP has melonite coating and if you consider that, I don't see how Rugers can really stack up. My MP Shield and MP 9c has never malfunctioned. My only complaint was crappy stock trigger but I now have the apex so it works great. I have said this all along, Ruger focuses more on price point than quality. Sure MP may have problems but nothing reoccuring like Ruger's. I know my buddy just bought a SR45 and had to send it 2x back to factory for jamming and it is better now but still jamming randomly.
I am not so sure about that. When you compare the MP Shield to the Ruger LC9s, the Ruger has a blued finish which in my book is not the right finish on a gun that will probably be subjected to lots of body sweat. The MP has melonite coating and if you consider that, I don't see how Rugers can really stack up. My MP Shield and MP 9c has never malfunctioned. My only complaint was crappy stock trigger but I now have the apex so it works great. I have said this all along, Ruger focuses more on price point than quality. Sure MP may have problems but nothing reoccuring like Ruger's. I know my buddy just bought a SR45 and had to send it 2x back to factory for jamming and it is better now but still jamming randomly.
whittsailor
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I've had 2 LC9s and an LCR. All ran 100%. I've had nothing but good luck with Ruger.
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I don't thnk Cerakote is all that. I would go With NP3 Plus which is super tough but at $295 dollars, the gun is just not worth that kind of money. If it was for a Glock, maybe but I know Ruger's have great triggers, very accurate, but they don't seem to last long. Their higher end stuff is great, but the plastic guns not so good. If I was just going to carry that for self defense and not put many rounds through it, maybe. But all my guns get shot a lot at range and not one has ever failed.
As I was typing a wholly different reply, a solution to your concern about possible LC9s slide and barrel surface rust came to mind. Detail strip the slide and send the slide out for Cerakoting. You can even have the barrel Cerakoted. I've done this with a couple pistols. Pictured below is my W. German Sig P220.
Started out as a finish worn but rarely shot pistol.
Had the frame Cerakoted burnt bronze, controls black, slide grey. To my surprise, the gunsmith Cerakoted the barrel silver. He had some silver left over from another project.
I do not worry one bit about surface corrosion with this pistol. I had a Glock 26 frame and slide Cerakoted. My Glock 22's slide is out to be milled for a RMR and OD Green Cerakoting.
Just an idea.
I don't thnk Cerakote is all that. I would go With NP3 Plus which is super tough but at $295 dollars, the gun is just not worth that kind of money. If it was for a Glock, maybe but I know Ruger's have great triggers, very accurate, but they don't seem to last long. Their higher end stuff is great, but the plastic guns not so good. If I was just going to carry that for self defense and not put many rounds through it, maybe. But all my guns get shot a lot at range and not one has ever failed.
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Well there you go then. You don't believe anyone else and only support your own theory. Done.
Ben_hutcherson
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A carry gun is a tool, and many people have carried blued guns over the years.
Keep it oiled so that it doesn't rust too badly, and don't worry about it otherwise. A little bit of rust on the slide won't affect how it operates.
You intend for it to be a tool, and not to win a beauty pageant(what Ruger is going to anyway
). As long as you can shoot it well and it's reliable, it doesn't really matter what the gun looks like.
Keep it oiled so that it doesn't rust too badly, and don't worry about it otherwise. A little bit of rust on the slide won't affect how it operates.
You intend for it to be a tool, and not to win a beauty pageant(what Ruger is going to anyway
). As long as you can shoot it well and it's reliable, it doesn't really matter what the gun looks like.
CatboatWilly
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I like what Ben H said. Shot a Ruger for 50 years and never questioned their quality cause I never had a reason too.
Waywatcher
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Short answer: yes.
Out of the last 9 new Ruger revolvers I have bought, 8 have had to go back to the factory.
2 were unrepairable resulting in a refund, and I am currently in the midst of one particular specimen on its second trip.They do stand behind their products, but boy, they sure need to with products like what I've experienced.
I sometimes ask myself why I keep buying them; but once they run they do run well. They just don't usually work right, out of the box.
My Talo SP101 hasn't had to go back, at least not yet. 175 rounds through it and it's a nice shooter--the Novak sights with a gold bead front and the wood/rubber stocks make for a handsome and accurate snub.
I think you've been given bad info on ruger quality. I had a problem with a 22/45 not ejecting that I bought used, called ruger and it went back to them on their dime and was back to me in less than 2 weeks in working order. I own a new LC9S and it has the best trigger I've ever felt on a new mass production auto out of the box. I've tried various types of ammo through it and it has ate everything without a hiccup and the accuracy is as good as any quality small gun I've shot. Back in the day, there was a time when I wouldn't even consider a ruger and passed over the then current Six revolvers and later GP series simply because of aesthetics but I own numerous of both of those now simply because they're just that good. Matter of fact, other than a 642 that I received as a gift, the only new revolvers that I've purchased since the late 90s have been rugers.
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You think Ruger has problems and it's only them with quality control issues?
My $1,000 S&W 986 literally fell apart after about a hundred rounds on its first visit to the range. But you can see how that would happen to a cheap gun made in third world country. Oh, I forgot, it's a thousand dollar revolver made in America! So much for American made quality. Probably fell apart due to the heavy use it got, after all, who expects a revolver to last a whole 100 rounds? I mean that's 2 whole boxes of ammo.
I have two Dan Wesson 1911s that are both visiting NY currently for warranty service. Both are under 3 months old. That's two American made 1911s that cost a total of $2,900, so it's not like I buy cheapo guns and then am shocked when my cheap junk fails as could well be expected.
I buy top quality guns and they still fail. And you're telling me how Ruger quality is sub-par? There seems to be a lot of quality control problems going around.
My experience is that Ruger, despite no written warranty, has a strong customer service department that will make it right. I should know, as I'd had to send guns back to them as well.
Karl
My $1,000 S&W 986 literally fell apart after about a hundred rounds on its first visit to the range. But you can see how that would happen to a cheap gun made in third world country. Oh, I forgot, it's a thousand dollar revolver made in America! So much for American made quality. Probably fell apart due to the heavy use it got, after all, who expects a revolver to last a whole 100 rounds? I mean that's 2 whole boxes of ammo.
I have two Dan Wesson 1911s that are both visiting NY currently for warranty service. Both are under 3 months old. That's two American made 1911s that cost a total of $2,900, so it's not like I buy cheapo guns and then am shocked when my cheap junk fails as could well be expected.
I buy top quality guns and they still fail. And you're telling me how Ruger quality is sub-par? There seems to be a lot of quality control problems going around.
My experience is that Ruger, despite no written warranty, has a strong customer service department that will make it right. I should know, as I'd had to send guns back to them as well.
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You're never happy are you?
You hear this and you hear that. STOP HEARING!!
Seriously, Ruger is no more substandard that any other manufacturer. You're complaining about price point guns that are a pretty good value for that price.
If you want Cadillac quality, pay the Cadillac price.
PA Guns & Ammo
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I had a few issues with my Rugers and they took care of it. All of my Rugers have been good to me. I will continue to buy Rugers.
tacreload
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About a hundred years ago I worked in a steel mill and we were way behind on an order for a specific customer.The job I was doing at the time involved quality control to an extent.The product that was placed before me to make useable was very close to scrap.It could be saved but would take some time.Foreman came to me and said"We need this order to go by the weekend so don't be too fussy."I told him if he would put that in writing and sign his name to it on my production report I would have no problem pushing it through.His jaw dropped and he replied that "I didn't understand the situation."Pretty sure I do was my response.He didn't sign and I did my job the way it was supposed to be done.Quality control is the first casualty when companies are trying to meet demand and keep pricing competitive.Doesn't matter who it is.
M3Stuart
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I'll chime in here:
I've bought two brand new Rugers in the last year or so. One went back twice. The other needed to go back (front sight was/is falling off) but I just epoxied it on because, well, I have a feeling it will be making a 'trip home' for something else before its all over.
I've bought one new S&W in the last year or so. It had to go back, they replaced the frame and I basically got a new gun.
Which new gun has ZERO issues? Try and guess...I'll wait...
Yep, the Hi-Point 9mm carbine. Surprised? It is flawless. Least expensive of the 'new guns' lot BY FAR, yet has the best quality.
Go figure...
All that said; I'll still buy new Rugers and S&W's. All their CS depts. are just great.
I've bought two brand new Rugers in the last year or so. One went back twice. The other needed to go back (front sight was/is falling off) but I just epoxied it on because, well, I have a feeling it will be making a 'trip home' for something else before its all over.
I've bought one new S&W in the last year or so. It had to go back, they replaced the frame and I basically got a new gun.
Which new gun has ZERO issues? Try and guess...I'll wait...
Yep, the Hi-Point 9mm carbine. Surprised? It is flawless. Least expensive of the 'new guns' lot BY FAR, yet has the best quality.
Go figure...
All that said; I'll still buy new Rugers and S&W's. All their CS depts. are just great.
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The only Ruger I had a problem with was an LCP .380. It went back to the factory 3X before they just replaced it and things were fine from then on. Also, I had an early model of their 9mm issued to a group of officers working street crimes back in the '80s. The cops liked them and they ran fine for several years.
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No doubt the LC9s has one of the best triggers I ever used. The Walther PPQ is better but not by much. The PPQ has a better reset and less play before and after. Now if only MP Shield and MP 9c could have triggers like Ruger's it would be a match in heaven. Unfortunately MP's do not have good triggers but everything else about the gun is awesome. The LC9s would have been a done deal but the blued finish and too many people said theirs fell apart or broke with a few hundred rounds. Today I just ran out and bought my 2nd Ruger SR22 and looking at that gun, I can't see how that can break.
No doubt the LC9s has one of the best triggers I ever used. The Walther PPQ is better but not by much. The PPQ has a better reset and less play before and after. Now if only MP Shield and MP 9c could have triggers like Ruger's it would be a match in heaven. Unfortunately MP's do not have good triggers but everything else about the gun is awesome. The LC9s would have been a done deal but the blued finish and too many people said theirs fell apart or broke with a few hundred rounds. Today I just ran out and bought my 2nd Ruger SR22 and looking at that gun, I can't see how that can break.
Don't forget that the Shield set the bar for what Ruger took almost 3 years to come up with something at least as good.
Ruger is RARELY the 1st with a truly new design (at least for Semiautomatics). They usually let others go first, then see how close they can copy it.
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Ruger Qc
I was a Ruger cheerleader. I do a lot of upgrades on 10/22s. I
have been getting in a lot of new models with plastic trigger
housings & stocks, junk. I have had several of the 45/22 pistols
virtually new feed problems, caused by frame to reciever fit. I've
hand several LCRs and plastic 9mms in. No major problems, just
sloppy work in assembly line.
I was a Ruger cheerleader. I do a lot of upgrades on 10/22s. I
have been getting in a lot of new models with plastic trigger
housings & stocks, junk. I have had several of the 45/22 pistols
virtually new feed problems, caused by frame to reciever fit. I've
hand several LCRs and plastic 9mms in. No major problems, just
sloppy work in assembly line.
nocents
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surely you were not talking about the posters P220 that he had coated..................were you??
