Knightrider03m
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Is the .45 GAP round dead?
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Wee Hooker
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Perhaps if those LE agencies spent more of their budget on practice ammo & drills vs chasing bigger guns /calibers, they could go back to model 19's. 
Yes, the king wears no clothes...
Yes, the king wears no clothes...
sheriffoconee
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Perhaps if those LE agencies spent more of their budget on practice ammo & drills vs chasing bigger guns /calibers, they could go back to model 19's.
Yes, the king wears no clothes...
Actually, that's an interesting point. Talking only about Georgia here, but the Public Safety Training Center no longer has a revolver training class. It is self loading pistols or nothing. The current crop of firearms instructors aren't trained in the art of reloading revolvers, or how to fight with them. Frankly, I enjoyed teaching my young troops how to use a speedloader.
We have a "Firearms Familiarization class for Women" we teach quarterly, and during the first class a bunch of ladies had revolvers, and if a couple of us old guys weren't there, no one would have known what to do with them.
LE has gone past the point of revolvers. No young deputy these days would feel armed at all if we gave them revolvers. Haven't you seen the movies, it is all semi autos these days
That has been my thinking on the subject. My EDC is a Glock 19. I have been considering moving to a 45 and figured a Glock 38 made sense with it's identical grip frame. If I was shooting a 17 with a full size frame, tho I would probably go with 45ACP in a full size frame.
BTW, here in south central Kansas, most dealers still had GAP when you couldn't even get a wiff of 9mm.
Unfortunately it is not dead.
The Florida Highway Patrol will shortly announce (if it has not been released yet) that the Glock 37 has been chosen to replace the now discontinued Beretta 96Ds.
I am certain that Glock will make a big deal of this out at this years SHOT show.
The Florida Highway Patrol will shortly announce (if it has not been released yet) that the Glock 37 has been chosen to replace the now discontinued Beretta 96Ds.
I am certain that Glock will make a big deal of this out at this years SHOT show.
I always knew .45 GAP wouldn't get off the ground that well. It tried fixing something that really didn't need fixing. Better stopping power will generally come in a bigger package, and trying to scale that package down will only result in disappointment in most cases. 10mm to .40 cal was one of the exceptions. I remember springfield made XDs in .45 GAP but I always wondered why, and thought it wouldn't sell. .45 GAP is dead. Was a decent try, but still no dice.
SGT45
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We issue the Glock .45 GAP's and ACP's. PD split- Patrol carry G21SF's, G38's and G37 GEN 4's. Detective Div. has G30SF's and G39's. Admin. has G30's, G38's and G39's. Eagerly awaiting G38 GEN 4's!!!!!!!!!!! We get the .45 GAP at the same cost as the .45 ACP. thru State bid. The .45 GAP is proving to be a very reliable, accurate and incapacitating round. Plenty of 1 shot stops. To each his own. PSP and numerous other PD's have done testing and homework and the .45 GAP has proven to be a capable LE pistol and round.
Silversmok3
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The growing market for gun companies today is CCW oriented self defense pistols. In a vast majority of personal defense cases just drawing the gun is enough to deter attack,and because crooks don't rob people from 30 yards away distance is typically VERY close. If the weapon is fired the engagement usually ends inside of ten rounds.
For that application, an 8 shot 45 ACP firearm works rather well.Large capacity weapons have their place, but the typical civil carry situation ain't one of them-and that's where the money is right now.
For that application, an 8 shot 45 ACP firearm works rather well.Large capacity weapons have their place, but the typical civil carry situation ain't one of them-and that's where the money is right now.
WOW, for that price I think I'll order one. I've never owned a Glock so this will give me an excuse to buy one. I think the 45 GAP will go well with my 9mm Federal, 32 Mag and other orphan calibers I seem to have a soft spot for.
Pointblank2U
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When Glock came out with their short frame models they negated the only real reason for the GAP, a 45 for smaller hands. It's a doomed cartridge.
I like .45GAP. But hey, I like 10mm too, so what do I know? I am not really one for introducing a new caliber to the stable, but a few years ago I got a pretty sweet deal on a PSP surplus G37 that appealed to the collector in me, and lo and behold, after a trip to the range I found it appealed to the shooter in me as well. I followed that with a G38, bought another one of each for my son, and we have embraced the .45GAP as both a carry and target round. As stated, ammo is out there, and no more expensive than .45ACP if you shop for it. I find it comfortable to shoot, snappy, but not as brutal as a 1911, and with the same size grip frame as the G19 it really isn't too hard to conceal.
It is a shame that it has not caught on to a greater degree. I am not sure if that is because of the Glock haters, the ACP lovers, or what. I wish S&W would introduce an M&P in .45GAP, but then again I am waiting for the M&P 10mm to hit dealer shelves.
It isn't dead. I think that as the surplus PD guns hit the market, and at the prices Bud's is currently offering that is one HECK of a deal, and folks are exposed to the weapons and the round, you will see a resurgence of interest. I would hate to see the .45GAP round become a footnote.
Buy one, you'll see.
It is a shame that it has not caught on to a greater degree. I am not sure if that is because of the Glock haters, the ACP lovers, or what. I wish S&W would introduce an M&P in .45GAP, but then again I am waiting for the M&P 10mm to hit dealer shelves.
It isn't dead. I think that as the surplus PD guns hit the market, and at the prices Bud's is currently offering that is one HECK of a deal, and folks are exposed to the weapons and the round, you will see a resurgence of interest. I would hate to see the .45GAP round become a footnote.
Buy one, you'll see.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I'm SUPPOSED to dislike a Glock. It doesn't fit my hand. I also dislike S&W factory grips, but I can do something about that. One of the most important characteristics of a handgun, almost as important as reliability, is that the HANDgun fit the HAND. The Block fails in this regard for many people. Strangely, a 100-year-old design seemed to work well enough with the .45ACP, but Gaston decided that the cartridge was too long, rather than that he didn't know how to design a double-stack pistol, even though the Canadians had already done so. Remember the Para Ordnance double-stack?
Glock screwed up.
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Militwacht
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Massad Ayoob wrote an article in American Handgunner with a list of organizations using the .45GAP. As I recall there were quite a few listed.
VTHokiesDuckHunter
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And that my friend's is the "post of the week!".
Why would anybody buy a .45 GAP when you can buy a .40 S&W or .45 ACP is beyond me.
Here's my possibly interesting predictions on Glock's future for US sales:
Now that S&W M&P's are being more widely accepted by LEO's; SIG's are the choice of departments wanting metal framed pistols; and here's the wild card - FNH now makes one of the best shooting, best handling pistols on the market and they are made in the USA, and a new version is striker fired which LEO's like,......I believe that Glocks will be purchased less and less.
They are not made in the US; they have inferior ergonomics particularly grip angle; and I think there is starting to be "Glock backlash" now that there are so many other better choices.
Me? I'm not a LEO forced to use a striker gun, so I will continue shooting DA/SA 3rd gen metal framed pistols, metal SIGS; 1911's and Hi-Powers, and for a polymer gun that is hammer fired DA/SA - the mighty FNX40.
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This is pretty much the extent of it.
Glock 45acp grips were fat, so they came out with a round to reduce the size yet keep a 45 caliber bullet. Next, Springfield Armory comes out with their 45acp XD showing everyone that a double stack 45acp dosn't need to feel like a brick. Glock then comes out with the SF models which starts the decent of the GAP cartridge.
There are still some die hard GAP users over at the Glock forum but I think it's more about being different than having a caliber you can buy off the shelves at most retail stores. The GAP Glock is being sold at "just get rid of them" prices but you'll lose the savings when you go to buy ammo.
BTW, the ACP cartridge cannot be safely cut down and loaded as a GAP. Just Google search online to see why.
Here's a clue
In regards to departments dumping this gun or that gun:
Agencies get money and have budgets, and have to spend them. They dont live in the world of spending less than they have to. I know for fact local agencies have changed their weapons many times in the past 10-15 years. From 3rd gen Smiths to Glocks (22) then back to Smith M&P's. Reason? God only knows.
45 GAP is dead. I think 10mm has a better chance than GAP.
Agencies get money and have budgets, and have to spend them. They dont live in the world of spending less than they have to. I know for fact local agencies have changed their weapons many times in the past 10-15 years. From 3rd gen Smiths to Glocks (22) then back to Smith M&P's. Reason? God only knows.
45 GAP is dead. I think 10mm has a better chance than GAP.
sgt.207
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I use a Glock 38 in 45gap and think it is a great combo. If the Glock 30 had a full grip i would use that but cant stand getting my fingers pinched between the magazine and the frame. Anyone i know thats tried the 45gap loves it.
