Nothing wrong with the 380. I surely wouldn't want to get hit with one. Agreed that is not a 9 or 40 but I have a BG380 and its the easiest thing to carry ever. This is a true pocket gun. Normally will carry my shield but sometimes in the summer with shorts, tshirt I grab the 380 because it literally disappears. For those that say its no better than a rock or stick, C'mon. for a true SD situation I would rather have my 380 than a rock or stick and I am sure you would too.
Is There Others Growing Tired of Packing?
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raymo2u
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im sure if i had gsg-5pk and there was an attacker after 3-8 shots they would stop or be dead or be dieing shortly. and thats a .22lr, which btw cuases the most deaths in the world times and times over. also not the best choice but worth it as a last ditch effort or BUG gun. if you can drop a 240lbs deer in one good shot why wouldnt a person be any different? its really not the size of gun or round its the placement of that round unless your carrying a 50bmg which im going to doubt. kill shots or neutralizing shots count, not anywhere else with any kind of round except round mentioned above...well maybe 10mm would be okay anywhere but extremities
Proline
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Agreed. That little Bodyguard has its place. I dress business casual everyday. Living in Mass. concealment is key. Someone sees that gun and 9 out of 10 people are calling you in. That Bodyguard can be hidden so easily so it has its place. Better than having nothing. Mass gun laws are very tough. Playing the gun on the console in the car is a no no here. Gotta be on your body.
I'll be, another .38 Super fan. I thought I was the only one. Mine's a Colt full sized Government model. Don't carry it much except in cooler weather, too heavy and cumbersome. To the original question, any piece carried IWB is gonna poke and jab, try to pull down your pants. It's made worse if, like me, you have a tendency to suffer from too much pizza and pasta syndrome. The Shield's my EDC because it's less uncomfortable than anything else in the safe and has more capacity than my J frame.
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Hey now don't make fun of Tacticool Tommy there. At three feet and in three seconds someone could slap him in the face, kick him in the groin, knee to the head and walk away all before the gun was presented. He's not smart enough to realize that his gun in his pocket is going to stay there while the engagement ensues. Too bad really, but he let the threat get that close.
Personally I believe the majority of gun fights in civilian life happen somewhere between 3 and 10 yards. That being said I practice from 3 to 50 yards. Sometimes I like to shoot at steel at 100 with a nine or .357.
Rastoff
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Times and times over? Forgetting the poor grammar, please post some link to that data. I'm sure the venerable .22LR has taken it's share of lives, but to imply that it's every bit as effective as a .45 or even a 9mm is ludicrous.
raymo2u
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nope you were right...that its not the 22. it came 2nd and 3rds 1st and 2nd were calibers that would be in its micro classifacation though.
http://gunstuff-jd.blogspot.com/2013/03/but-22-has-killed.html?m=1
the 22 has been around longer than 9mm and im not sure but i think the 45 also but i could be wrong.
http://gunstuff-jd.blogspot.com/2013/03/but-22-has-killed.html?m=1
the 22 has been around longer than 9mm and im not sure but i think the 45 also but i could be wrong.
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raymo2u
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sorry for my grammar as i dont have a computer and only a touchscreen phone and i care not to spellcheck every word, and i cannot stand autocorrect or t9, my apologies
I took the 3 3 3 rule from Mr Yeager from Tactical response.
It may be worth asking him where he got his info.
On another note I called Cabela's and they have a Ruger LCP for $319.
Is this a decent price?
I thought about the Sig 238 but I want the lightest pocket weapon with no safety if I decide to go this route.
I still am not 100% on a mouse gun but the weight is nice in the pocket.
Russ
More power to the Pocket Packing Shield Owners Association (PPSOA, est. 2012), but it just doesn't work for me. If the pocket is large enough to allow a somewhat competent draw, it's so big the pistol bounces as I walk. I imagine their is an ideal pocket out there. Maybe I'll find it someday.
I had been carrying IWB at 4-4:30, but for the last week I've tried 3:00(-3:15, hehe). It's been more comfortable, and the grip doesn't print as bad.
Sitting in a car with it at 4-4:30 sucked. And most chairs didn't like it either.
The above has been with a tuckabke PJ Holster. It's a little hard on my hip at 3:00. I may have to try that N82 holster. It at 3:00 may be my personal holy grail of holstering.
Regardless, packing heat is no cake walk.
I had been carrying IWB at 4-4:30, but for the last week I've tried 3:00(-3:15, hehe). It's been more comfortable, and the grip doesn't print as bad.
Sitting in a car with it at 4-4:30 sucked. And most chairs didn't like it either.
The above has been with a tuckabke PJ Holster. It's a little hard on my hip at 3:00. I may have to try that N82 holster. It at 3:00 may be my personal holy grail of holstering.
Regardless, packing heat is no cake walk.
Smitty357
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For those Men who like to carry their Shield in their pocket.
Does the word "Man Purse" mean anything to you? Maybe you should buy one and show all ur buddies a new place to keep their Shield.
Does the word "Man Purse" mean anything to you? Maybe you should buy one and show all ur buddies a new place to keep their Shield.
raymo2u
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lol its not a purse its called a satchel hahaha
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May I suggest casting a wider net for information? You might start with Evan Marshalls stoppingpower.net. You may not agree with everything posted, but there's a minimum of BS.
Rastoff
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Thanks for the link. I think I've read some of those statistics before. But, just like the author of that linked article, I'd rather have a .22 than nothing, but would never choose it if given almost any other choice.
Further, if we're going to talk about which caliber has killed people over the entire existence of that caliber, then all bets are off. I'm sure the rock will win that discussion.
I was just poking a little fun at the grammar thing. I completely understand and don't want to turn into the "grammar police". Sorry, I didn't mean to be snippy.
I'm sure most of us have seen the video on YouTube where a policeman is attached and shoots his attacher 2 or 3 times with a 9mm and his attacher is not phased and still keeps attaching the policeman.
That being said I would rather have a 22 than nothing. I would rather have a 380 than a 22. I would rather have a 9mm than a 380. I would rather have my mp40c that is my everyday carry gun than a 9mm. And I could keep going but you get the point. Just the sight and sound of a gun even a 22 will turn most attachers around. But at the end of the day I will continue to pack my mp40c as my primary EDC.
That being said I would rather have a 22 than nothing. I would rather have a 380 than a 22. I would rather have a 9mm than a 380. I would rather have my mp40c that is my everyday carry gun than a 9mm. And I could keep going but you get the point. Just the sight and sound of a gun even a 22 will turn most attachers around. But at the end of the day I will continue to pack my mp40c as my primary EDC.
TahoeDust
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I have been switching back and forth between these two positions with a similar style Kydex holster for the last week or so. I think I have reached the same conclusion. A shield in a thin single clip holster at 3:00-3:15 may in fact be the holy grail. Every CCW friend I have that I have let try it on is seriously considering the same setup.
Vinney47
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There is some error in your logic there. The 9mm and .380 have the exact same diameter of bullet. they make the same size hole. At self defense ranges, the .380 is going to be plenty.
True, it's not considered "service caliber" in the US. But it is still used by military and police of various countries around the world because it is a potent killer. The reason it's ruled out in the US is not because it won't kill a person, but it doesn't pass all the barrier penetration tests of more powerful rounds - such as through wood or metal and then a minimum penetration into ballistic gel. In a *self defense* scenario, you aren't going to be shooting through those things, like a soldier or LEO might need to in a combat/tactical scenario.
I maintain the .380, or 9mm short, IS an effect and smart choice for self defense carry.
Having that said, to the OP: If you don't feel the need for the power the 9mm gives because you don't live in a "war zone", why carry at all? That's like getting a smaller and smaller fire extinguisher because you are more and more convinced your house won't catch fire. You're decision will seem prudent right up until the moment it isn't.
raymo2u
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well the bad guy doesnt grow and grow in size with the drugs or adreniline he has...he only thinks he does fire does grow so the fire extinguisher point is somewhat moot
It's a "European Shoulder Bag"!
Seriously, if folks are uncomfortable carrying IWB or OWB, there are several things that can be done to alleviate the problem.
(1) Buy a good leather holster. The $20 Uncle Mike's cloth just doesn't get it. There are some really good holsters available in the $60 range. I got mine through Forum member Lobo Gun Leather. I have not tried the Polymer "Kydex" rigs, I have my opinion but it is based on theory, not practice. I'll keep it to myself.
(2) Get a good belt. Wider doesn't automatically mean better. Thick, quality leather is key. I get mine from a harness maker. The belt is $25. Add a buckle set for another $25.
(3) Buy pants with an adjustable waistband. Not "stretchy", adjustable. Bass Pro Shop has cargos that have buttons to cinch the pants one or two inches smaller or larger. A holster adds thickness to your waist. It has to be accounted for.
(4) Jeans wearers, look into Deluth Trading Company's "BallRoom Jeans." The name explains the concept.
When I decided to get a carry license, I took to heart the advice to "dress around the gun". I have a half dozen holsters that didn't work out and a few pairs of pants as well as a belt or two that sit in the closet. In my opinion, finding the correct method of carrying should take at least as long, if not longer, than finding the correct gun. M&P45C, M64.
raymo2u
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actually i beleive arrows have done more justice than rocks, but that was due to many centuries of war...the rock had its day beforehand with the jealous caveman
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