Is this a masterpiece combat 22lr

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Hi,

I am trying to find information on this gun of my dad's. I don't know what the year of mfg. Are there factory installed options like grips, wide target trigger sights or if it's something that someone pieced together to their liking. Not sure of the model I like to shoot revolvers and I really want to shoot this one. it isn't cherry by any means but very tight and has shoot me written all over it. Any help would be appreciated and I'm sorry it's not for sale at this time. serial number K 198052
 

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pictured with Ruger sp101 22lr 8 shot. It's the only pic I could upload with the smith intact. sorry.
 
Thank you Ralph. these things are hard to figure out without the proper research materials like a collector's eye.
 
Howdy from Ohio...good to have you in the house! You may want to post your question in the revolver section of the forum...better traffic thus more insight/answers. Good luck!
 
Welcome to the forum.

You do have a Model .22 Combat Masterpiece. Built on the K frame that became the Model 18 in 1957. It's referred to as a 5 screw and it looks completely factory as configured.

The early style target hammer indicates production prior to 1956 and the serial # indicates the 1953 period. A very desirable vintage.

If the target stocks DO NOT have a football shaped cut out at the top of the left side stock, although the stocks were optional/special order, they are probably original to the gun and may have the serial # on the back of the right stock. But this is not likely because most target stocks were not numbered. However they could still be the original stocks.
 
Assuming the revolver is chambered in .22 LR it is a "K-22 Combat Masterpiece", a.k.a. a "Pre-Model 18."

The serial number dates it to 1953.

The grips are NOT original. Original grips would have a diamond shape carved in relief into the wood around the grip screw. "Diamond" grips were discontinued in 1968.


This vintage would have come standard with a target hammer and target trigger.

In 1955 the fifth screw (upper side plate) was discontinued.

In 1957 the model number, i.e. 18, was stamped into the frame.

John
Scoundrel and Ne'er-Do-Well in Training
 
and has shoot me written all over it.

Beware that part.......as it will become addicting.

A 5 screw pre 18 is a fine gun.

I agree that the stocks aren't original
 
Since the serial number on the butt and that under the barrel are not the same, I wonder whether your father or some previous owner perhaps had it rebuilt to suit him... that would explain the barrel and mismatched (to the age of the gun) grips. I would judge that it was modified some time in the '60s or '70s to be exactly the gun the owner wanted. No wonder it says "shoot me!" to you... that's just what it was built to do! You have a fine revolver that should give you years of shooting enjoyment, congratulations.

Froggie
 
I've been informed that the SNs on grip and barrel match. I thought the 3rd number on the barrel was different as well, but on closer inspection of the pix... all is well apparently.

Anyway, grips notwithstanding it is a fine example of the 4" K-22 clan, early enough that the workmanship is stellar and with enough existing wear that you could take it out and shoot it with impunity. Looks great to me!

Froggie
 
The issue with the serial number was the flash. The numbers do match on the barrel and the frame.

The info printed on the inside of the left grip is "KT .357" The left grip dose have the football on the left side. Is the football cutout for clearance for speed loaders?

Aside from the obvious 4 screws on the frame in the picture does the screw in front of the grip (behind trigger guard) make the fifth screw on a five screw? Thank you all for your expertise on this gun.

I find the more I learn about Smiths the less I know. Very interesting.
 

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Yes, cut out for loading unloading, but not speed loaders. Later grips for speed loaders have the wood completely cut away at that location, exposing the frame.

The trigger guard screw is counted but it's the 4th screw. You have a 5 screw gun and the top screw on the sideplate is the 5th screw because it was the first one to be eliminated.
 
Ok. That makes sense. So, when looking for 5 screws I should always look for the fifth screw on the which is the highest screw on the frame? Does this also stand true on other models such as 29s? Thanks for the education Hondo. I can feel my wallet shrinking already.
 
Yes and K and N frames are counted the same, but not I and J frames:

Screw numbering and screw count relative to frame size designations:

1st rule: The I and J frame screw numbers and screw counts are different from K and N frame.

Some of us I frame collectors count the main spring strain screw as the 6th screw because unlike the K and N frames which all have the strain screw, all I frames dropped that screw in the early 10950s. So it's a helpful identifier of an I frame gun's vintage. I'm not one that insists everyone must recognize or use the 6 screw term. But since GREEN FROG coined it, some of us that collect the 1950 evolutionary I frames use and appreciate the term.

Pre & Post war I frames were all 6 screws counting the strain screw, 4 screw sideplates and the 5th, the TG screw.
Baby Chief J frames were introduced as 5 screws with a coil main spring and no strain screw.

The I frame 6th screw was eliminated first with the Improved I frame c. 1952 (except the .22/32s which were not made on the improved I frame).

The trigger guard screw is the 5th screw because it was eliminated next on these frame sizes with the introduction of the Model of 1953 (.22/32s lost the 6th and 5th screws at the same time). So all I and J frames became 4 screw guns after 1953.

The 4th screw at the top of the side plate (called the "bug" screw at the factory) was eliminated next. So a 4 screw I and J frame has all four sideplate screws and can also be referred to as a 4 screw frame. After the 4th screw (upper sideplate screw or bug screw) was dropped they became 3 screw sideplate/frame c. 1956, while the K & N frames didn't begin to transition to 3 screws until the end of the 1950/early 1960s, when the TG screw was finally eliminated.

K & N Frames:
On 5 screw K or N frames the upper sideplate screw (bug screw) was the first to be removed, therefore it is the 5th screw. So, unlike the I and J frames, the "4th" screw is in the TG. Fourth because it was the second screw dropped c. 1960.

So a 4 screw K or N frame has only 3 sideplate screws and the 4th in front of the trigger guard; again, the top sideplate screw, 5th screw, being the one eliminated first.

2nd rule: Always count the screw under the right grip because it isn't covered by the grip on most pre war models and early post war models up to around 1950. It's a domed head screw when not covered by the original factory grips and a flat head screw when covered. In the early days of the Magna stocks, a relief dimple was drilled into the back side of the right stock panel to provide clearance for the round head screw before it was replaced with a flat head screw.

Exceptions:
1. Early K Airweight guns can be found with a "6th" screw, (adding confusion, it's also called "bug" screw by some gunsmiths) which is a lock screw for the top sideplate screw on similar to premium shotguns.
Since I frame Airweights weren't introduced until after their trigger guard screw, the 5th screw, was already eliminated with the Model of 1953 (except for a handful of Baby J Airweight prototypes), their "bug" screw on the upper sideplate (factory bug) screw can be referred to as a 5th screw and are the only Mod 1953 "5 screw guns".

2. The original K frames, .38 and .32-20 were 4 screw guns; all 4 sideplate screws but no trigger guard screw until the very late model of 1902, which introduced the 5th screw, in front of the trigger guard and are the scarce transition guns - about 10,000 of them. All became "5 screws" when that trigger guard screw was introduced on the 3rd Model M&P HEs (Models of 1905).
The 1902 has the old-style lockwork, which will have the rebound-levering-pivot stud showing about 1/2" below the cylinder release. In this picture, you'll see the stud end circled in red.

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3. The new X frame 500 and 460s have gone back to 4 screws with addition of the top sideplate bug screw.
 
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After looking at the pictures I will have to put mine in the rotation at the range next week.
 
Jim, you didn't mention that the early I frames, model of 1896, had an extra screw forward of the front sideplate screw. It retained the yoke before the change to the sideplate screw doing double duty.
 
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