Good for you. Unless he asked EVERYONE coming in the same stupid question, you were singled out. That's embarrassing and unprofessional.
Issue at COSTCO today
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venomballistics
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I could go either way on this.
As an active member of the pistol packing public, it is our responsibility to hold ourselves to a higher standard of conduct in public. We deescalate.
On the other hand, we lose what we don't fight for
As an active member of the pistol packing public, it is our responsibility to hold ourselves to a higher standard of conduct in public. We deescalate.
On the other hand, we lose what we don't fight for
Two things I have gleaned from this thread.
#1, (with corrected English)
#2, When a conscientious LP from Walmart or Best Buy calls LE who then chases you down as a suspected thief, please tell us how the hot hood of your vehicle tasted while the cuffs were applied. I've always wondered.
I would think it would taste like a big fat law suit. Both the store and the PD.
If a police officer wanted to see a receipt I would gladly produce one.
Well, so long as he asked everyone he thought might be carrying a gun, I imagine he's good . . .
Only if he/she was investigating me for stealing with appropriate probable cause. And even then I might hesitate . . .
Mainsail
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I cannot speak for all, but I certainly don't take pleasure in making anyone miserable, especially those trying to do their job. That said, I try to be polite about refusing to cooperate with store "policies".
I had to wait in a line to spend my money, a line that would be shorter if the person "just doing their job" were manning a register. I don't take kindly to being assumed a thief when I go day-to-day taking strides to be completely law abiding. Yeah, even stopping at stop signs (which around here is very unique behavior).
Anyway, you make a huge leap of assumption in saying that, as not one of the replies I read had anyone expressing any "pleasure" whatsoever. Perhaps some people prefer to simply be left alone? That's what makes the world so interesting - everyone isn't the same.
You're right - treating others with respect IS one of the most often ignored of all basic human "rights".
Treat others the same way that YOU would like to be treated. a.k.a. "The golden rule".
Is that kind of consideration for other people something that has to be "earned" - or should it be the lowest common denominator of our interactions with one another?
Personally I am of the opinion that it should be the former rather than the latter.
Wouldn't you agree?
And if not, why not?
Thought it was wrong to loudly ask that question, as some said the mask portrays his views. A typical loudmouth. I carry every time I go in there. The only place I don't carry is the post office, the people are very geared to the left. Larry
I'm behind the OP all the way as I went through something similar. In my case I was on a boat coming into the harbor with several people. The coast guard was out this weekend running checks on IDs.
The person running the boat did not do anything illegal and none of us had consumed alcohol but we were asked to show IDs. Along with the CG on their vessel was a County Sheriff.
About 2 minutes after presenting my drivers license the sheriff came over and read me the riot act in front of everyone on the boat because I didn't produce my CCW along with my DL. I told him I was not carrying and was only asked for a DL and presented my CCW for him to see. He did not stop and continued on me for about 5 min and wanted to arrest me.
The next morning I was at the Sheriffs office as soon as they opened and lodged a complaint against that officer. There are people that should not be employed in the job they have. To my knowledge that officer was terminated shortly after.
The person running the boat did not do anything illegal and none of us had consumed alcohol but we were asked to show IDs. Along with the CG on their vessel was a County Sheriff.
About 2 minutes after presenting my drivers license the sheriff came over and read me the riot act in front of everyone on the boat because I didn't produce my CCW along with my DL. I told him I was not carrying and was only asked for a DL and presented my CCW for him to see. He did not stop and continued on me for about 5 min and wanted to arrest me.
The next morning I was at the Sheriffs office as soon as they opened and lodged a complaint against that officer. There are people that should not be employed in the job they have. To my knowledge that officer was terminated shortly after.
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Likely just went somewhere else.
I carry everywhere where it is legal, no courthouses, Post Office, schools, etc.
Costco and Target are legal and I have never had a problem because my weapon is concealed.
If I had been challenged after entering, I would have ignored him.
Costco and Target are legal and I have never had a problem because my weapon is concealed.
If I had been challenged after entering, I would have ignored him.
I read this a couple of times to be sure I understood what you are saying, and, above, where you hit the return key in your original post, separated your post into what I think are intended to be short paragraphs to make it clearer to my eye.
I think as written — "... something that has to be 'earned' - or should it be the lowest common denominator...it should be the former rather than the latter..." — in the third and fourth sentences you are saying that you think people need to earn the right to be treated with respect.
But I think surely your intent, as you state in your first two sentences, is to say that we all should treat one another with respect. (Until by actions the person with whom we are dealing proves he is undeserving of our respect.)
I think most, likely all, of us agree with this. I think the reasons why are self evident.
That's my take.
Yes, calling out to you like that was unprofessional.
You complained to the store manager, who apologized, but you say that wasn't good enough for you...so what more did you want? Should the employee have been drawn and quartered? Boiled in oil? Forced to listen to Barry Manilow records?
What does a "formal complaint" do? You want the guy to lose his job?
Respectfully, I think all the stuff going on in your life right now has skewed your perspective. I hope things improve for you...
You complained to the store manager, who apologized, but you say that wasn't good enough for you...so what more did you want? Should the employee have been drawn and quartered? Boiled in oil? Forced to listen to Barry Manilow records?
What does a "formal complaint" do? You want the guy to lose his job?
Respectfully, I think all the stuff going on in your life right now has skewed your perspective. I hope things improve for you...
Actually, I meant just the opposite.
I feel that treating others with respect should be our default approach, rather than requiring others to somehow "earn" that kind of treatment.
The only time we should NOT automatically treat someone with basic respect is AFTER their behavior demonstrates that they are unworthy of being treated with respect.
Otherwise, we should all be treating each other just as we would want to be treated - with respect and dignity.
I hope that clarifies what I meant to say.
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Where is the line drawn between respect and simple common courtesy?
Most of the posts I've seen could use the terms interchangeably.
Personally I feel respect should be earned the same as trust and I find it difficult to apply one without the other.
Perhaps different levels at different times apply but common courtesy is my default but will change in a heartbeat if I feel it is warranted.
Most of the posts I've seen could use the terms interchangeably.
Personally I feel respect should be earned the same as trust and I find it difficult to apply one without the other.
Perhaps different levels at different times apply but common courtesy is my default but will change in a heartbeat if I feel it is warranted.
First off I'm very sorry for your current struggles. It takes a toll on you. I think the thing people are missing here is that, if this guy is supposed to be some sort of security/ loss prevention officer why the hell is he raising his voice, and creating panic among other customers. I don't know where you live but in certain cities if someone yells "do you have a gun " chaos ensues
It is a accepted scientific rule that for every action there is a equal reaction. So I would have answered him in a equally loud voice.
My reply would have been along the lines of "Why do you think I am carrying a GUN" with emphasis on the word GUN. Saying gun draws more attention than firearm. I would have continued to address any of his additional comments in a loud, tone of voice. Then after that I would continued on my way.
As one might surmise I am not intimidated and hate rude behavior. I would not let his behavior ruin the rest of my day and give me a slow burn.
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Forced to listen to Barry Manilow records?
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Man that's cruel and unusual punishment
JJEH
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I think at this point take I would leave it as is. The guy asked, you answered, done. He did not detain you, search you, etc.
I mean, there's no harm in asking a question, right?!
I mean, there's no harm in asking a question, right?!
