It is a sad day: 3 LEO's killed, another critically injured
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badguybuster
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badam0112
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"People lingered at the scene of the first shooting. About 20 bystanders taunted police.
Tension between police and the community has risen steadily since the fatal shooting of unarmed 22-year-old Oscar Grant by a transit police officer at an Oakland train station on Jan. 1."
Sometimes I am still stunned at how cruel and classless some people are. How could anyone find joy in the fact that someone has died in the line of duty?
Tension between police and the community has risen steadily since the fatal shooting of unarmed 22-year-old Oscar Grant by a transit police officer at an Oakland train station on Jan. 1."
Sometimes I am still stunned at how cruel and classless some people are. How could anyone find joy in the fact that someone has died in the line of duty?
Wyatt Burp
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That's Oakland for ya'. When Jerry Brown was mayor there you could walk across town stepping on the bodies of murder victims without ever touching the ground. Then he ran for attorney general and WON!! Voters said, "Gee. Oakland might be the murder capitol of the country. I think the mayor of this town should be attorney general for the whole state. He's been so effective curbing crime in Oakland." I think I live in an alternate universe.
NFrameFred
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Kalifornistan = Bizarro world
Wheelgunner840
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After reading the story, I get the feeling that the criminal was trying to avoid getting arrested, while the general populous there seems to want to see the cops killed.
Dare I ask if the fleeing murderous felon was white? Are we on the brink of race wars again? People taunting police at the scene where two officers were shot? What's up with that?
Prayers up for the friends and family of the fallen officers.
WG840
Dare I ask if the fleeing murderous felon was white? Are we on the brink of race wars again? People taunting police at the scene where two officers were shot? What's up with that?
Prayers up for the friends and family of the fallen officers.
WG840
deralte
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Wheelgunner, it sounds like it took place in that part of town
cmort666
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The "general population"? Is this based on surveys conducted by you? What's your sample size? What's the margin of error?
They're probably Revolutionary Communist Party, most of whom are... WHITE.
There are indeed a number of people in this country who want a "race war", most of whom are... WHITE. They run a number of websites, and chronically spam message boards and usenet. Fortunately, most of them are sniveling cowards. Unfortunately, while they're unlikely to pick up a gun, they're also likely to pick up a little boy at a public park.
GatorFarmer
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Assuming that the newspaper report was correct, 20 people turning out to taunt the police isn't exactly a large crowd for a city the size of Oakland. One shouldn't make too much of that. Other media reports say that there was an outpouring of public sympathy including sending flowers to the police stations, etc.
What will be more interesting is to learn "What went wrong" and learn how this one guy was able to kill and wound so many officers, including members of the Swat team. In the end, the real lesson is probably that some people are just going to put up a fight.
What will be more interesting is to learn "What went wrong" and learn how this one guy was able to kill and wound so many officers, including members of the Swat team. In the end, the real lesson is probably that some people are just going to put up a fight.
Wheelgunner840
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I think 20 people taunting the police at the site where two officers were slain is 20 too many. Maybe I should have worded it differently to suggest that a particular group called up their members and they all got down there pronto!
Is this based on surveys conducted by you?
Can't say I would know any of this as I don't frequent those kind of sites. Do you? I also have absolutely no idea what this has to do with the slaying of police officers.
WG840
ElToro
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this has been all the news here in the bay area inthe last 24 hours.
The perp was black and the officers were white/asian
he was a parolee/felon in possession of a gun wanted on a no bail warrant, you can understand his mindset to shoot it out instead of going to the joint for life.
It appears that a "routine" traffic stop w/a motor cop pulled him over, he gets the drop on him and shoots him, then runs. The local news reports that i heard was that a caller to 911 tells cops where he is and he shoots it out with some SWAT guys before getting his.
Sad day for the LEO families of course, my condolences
The vultures will turn this tragedy into opportunity.I'm just waiting for the hue and cry for more gun control. of course if it turns out he had an (illegal in PRK) assault weapon and the mere fact he was felon in possession, both illegal wont matter to the news or politicians. Enforcing laws on the books wont matter to them
The perp was black and the officers were white/asian
he was a parolee/felon in possession of a gun wanted on a no bail warrant, you can understand his mindset to shoot it out instead of going to the joint for life.
It appears that a "routine" traffic stop w/a motor cop pulled him over, he gets the drop on him and shoots him, then runs. The local news reports that i heard was that a caller to 911 tells cops where he is and he shoots it out with some SWAT guys before getting his.
Sad day for the LEO families of course, my condolences
The vultures will turn this tragedy into opportunity.I'm just waiting for the hue and cry for more gun control. of course if it turns out he had an (illegal in PRK) assault weapon and the mere fact he was felon in possession, both illegal wont matter to the news or politicians. Enforcing laws on the books wont matter to them
cmort666
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In fact, that's probably EXACTLY how it happened.Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:
I think 20 people taunting the police at the site where two officers were slain is 20 too many. Maybe I should have worded it differently to suggest that a particular group called up their members and they all got down there pronto!
The way you "worded" it, implied that there was widespread support in the community, and of a particular race or ethnicity in the community for the shootings. You did this without ANY evidence.
It's based on personal experience and observation. As I recall, they were involved in the initial violence of the Rodney King debacle. Other communists are afraid of the RCP. I used to know a guy in Chicago who was a banned member of the African National Congress who worked as a "community organizer" on the south side of Chicago. He said they were trying to dupe people into an "armed uprising" and had to follow them around, telling people that as somebody who'd been in a REAL revolution, the RCP were just trying to get the gullible killed for their own obscure purposes.
I have extensive experience with those who run and frequent them. After all, I've received dozens of death threats from them, including what they thought were directions and maps to my house. Apparently they're unhappy when people point out their sexual interest in prepubescent boys.
Yet, apparently you thought a "race war" DID...
jag312
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"That's Oakland for ya'. When Jerry Brown was mayor there you could walk across town stepping on the bodies of murder victims without ever touching the ground. Then he ran for attorney general and WON!! Voters said, "Gee. Oakland might be the murder capitol of the country. I think the mayor of this town should be attorney general for the whole state. He's been so effective curbing crime in Oakland." I think I live in an alternate universe."
Governor Moonbeam was a disaster for California. Mayor Moonbeam was a disaster for Oakland. Attorney General Moonbeam hasn't done anything for California. Now he wants to be Governor Moonbeam again. The only good thing he did when he was first governor was the Smith & Wesson Model 68. If he becomes governor again, maybe the CHP will be armed with guns firing biodegradable bullets made of soybeans.
Governor Moonbeam was a disaster for California. Mayor Moonbeam was a disaster for Oakland. Attorney General Moonbeam hasn't done anything for California. Now he wants to be Governor Moonbeam again. The only good thing he did when he was first governor was the Smith & Wesson Model 68. If he becomes governor again, maybe the CHP will be armed with guns firing biodegradable bullets made of soybeans.
Wheelgunner840
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When I said this, I was responding to the obscure (IMO) connection you made to this RCP group that you brought up. I am having a hard time understanding how you can make the leap to some perverted weirdo communist group, when racial tension is obviously an issue in the area. Recall the story about the 22 year old killed by the Oakland (Port Authority?)
Actually, if you read my initial post, I clearly stated that based on the fact that the murderer was a fleeing felon, he was most likely killing the cops to get away. What I did suggest might be racially motivated, was the 20 people in the "crowd" that were giving the responding officers a hard time.
You think that this RCP group were the people harassing the police. I don't see the connection. Too much of a conspiracy theory for me. Are you saying that this RCP group saw an opportunity to stir up, if not elevate racial tensions, and jumped on it? I think that's a bit of a stretch in this case.
WG840
cmort666
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It's not obscure at all. The RCP and it's various aliases (No Business as Usual Network, etc.) frequently show up in these situations, usually to incite violence for which other people suffer the consequences.
"20 people" out of HOW many? That has EXACTLY the signature of the RCP.
Yet, your "race war" is NOT a stretch? You would rather make insinuations about hundreds of thousands of people with NO evidence. But yeah, the entire COMMUNITY wants a "race war", NOT a known group of agitators with a long track record, particularly in California...
ElToro
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news reports are the 4th officer has died.
Wheelgunner840
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It's not "My race war." My exact words were: "Are we on the brink of race wars again?"
With the current elections as a back drop, I don't think it's a stretch to say that racial tensions are back on the rise.
It was posed as a question, not an insinuation. I also asked if this is something that is going on out there as I live on the other coast and do not know if racial tensions are rising again.
Please don't attempt to change what I actually said to make your case. If what you are claiming is true, this is the first I have heard of such a thing. Still too much of a conspiracy theory for me to sign on to.
WG840
cmort666
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YOU are the one who initiated the use of that term, and without one IOTA of evidence.
Ah, so now it's "racial tensions", NOT a "race war"???
It was PHRASED as in insinuation, whether you're backing off from it NOW or not. NOW, you "don't know if racial tensions are rising again"? Sounds like an attempt to be provocative, without ANY evidence.
What you said is what you said. You insinuated something about hundreds of thousands of people, yet you call a reference to known inciters of violence a "conspiracy theory". Yeah, right.
crofoot629
Absent Comrade
Odd, I viewed the election of a black president to be a positive step in race relations for our country. And fwiw I’m an “old white guy”.
Now I must apologize for being sucked into a political argument in the lounge, and will try to stay on topic from here on out.
My prayers to the brave fallen officers and their families.
Emory
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