It’s sure hot out…so beach house puzzler

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I don't even know what to call this thread, other than I'm puzzled!

It sure is hot out now, and my wife would love to have a place at the beach. She's wanted such a place for awhile. But, while a beach house or cottage would be nice, a condo within walking distance to the beach is even a stretch right now. Places at the beach are painfully expensive—always a bit more than we can afford—and, as my finances rise, so too do beach places, and so I'm always a dollar short and a day late. BUT, I'm hoping that with rising interest rates, places diminish in value, making such a place maybe affordable.

Here's the puzzler part, and I can't see how it's possible. This was inspired by a potential question one might get in an MBA interview, to evaluate critical thinking, not that your answer is right. Like, how many gas stations are there in America? Of course, most don't know the answer, but the way to answer it is there are over 300 million folks in America, 200 million have drivers licenses, and the average American drives 10,000 miles a year. Let's say you need 3 tanks of gas per 1000 miles, so that's 30 tanks of gas a year. 30 x 200 million is 6 billion tanks of gas. That's about 120 million gas tanks to fill weekly. Let's say the average gas station has 6 pumps. Let's say the average gas pump can fill 500 gas tank weekly. That's 3000 gas tanks per station. Do the math, and you come up with 40,000 gas stations nationally. I just googled and there are more than 145,000 gas stations nationally, so my answer is far from correct, but I proved I have the ability to reason.

So, using the same logic. There are over 300 million Americans, and about 130 million households. Households are more likely to purchase beach properties. Surveys have shown that most Americans are flat broke and can't come up with $400 to cover an emergency. The top 1% of households is 1.3 million American households. So, let's reason that over 90% of Americans cannot even consider purchasing a place at the seashore, being in the flat broke or reasonably successful category, and so maybe 10 million American households can even consider purchasing such a place. (I fall at the cusp of this fringe, perhaps, maybe being able to get a 1 to 2 bedroom condo within a mile of the beach if there is a downturn.)

SO, you have 10 million American households who could do it, half of which probably don't even want a place at the beach, half again who consider it and never do anything, and half are interested in the Pacific coast and the other half in the Atlantic coast (like me). The Atlantic coastline is fairly long. By my critical thinking exercise, it seems that's 1 to 2 million households interested in a place, or already owning such a place, within a mile of the beach, the shoreline being rather lengthy along the Atlantic seaboard. But demand is obviously there, a 7 figure place isn't a rarity anymore.

So, where are all these folks coming from with deep pockets to afford such a second home, when most surveys indicate most Americans are flat broke?
 
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MRCVs, I'm curious as to what state you are in and do u want vacation home in same state or different? Lake or ocean? I can tell you how it happened for me. My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I were vacationing on Marco Island. I like to sit on beach and read local real estate publications. I saw some reasonably priced condos. Well we eventually got a rainy day so I suggested we look at some places in Naples/Marco area. About the third place we looked at we fell in love. So we went back next day with the listing agent. Long story short. Most people come home from vacation with a T shirt. I came home with a 3 bedroom 2 bath waterfront condo. Sine then our HOA put in 68, 30' boat docks and we purchased one. I'd rather be in boating/marina community and drive to beach. For us it's a 16min drive. As to how people do it. I know a lot of people rent their place out. Either a VRBO type rental or seasonally in winter. Some do it just the first few yrs to recoup some money. The down payment/closing cost is the toughest nut for most people. If you go rental route there are tax advantages which help with affordability. For me it was a completely unexpected expense. It's also the best investment I've ever made.
 

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Some of the items you left out of your analysis. Many families have had the same vacation property for multiple generations, and they are "Family Property!" Many of the Condo beach properties are "Time Share." One of my friends "owns" a house on Lake Erie, actually he owns the 100 year lease on a house inside a Methodist Church camp.

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MRCVs, I'm curious as to what state you are in and do u want vacation home in same state or different? Lake or ocean? I can tell you how it happened for me. My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I were vacationing on Marco Island. I like to sit on beach and read local real estate publications. I saw some reasonably priced condos. Well we eventually got a rainy day so I suggested we look at some places in Naples/Marco area. About the third place we looked at we fell in love. So we went back next day with the listing agent. Long story short. Most people come home from vacation with a T shirt. I came home with a 3 bedroom 2 bath waterfront condo. Sine then our HOA put in 68, 30' boat docks and we purchased one. I'd rather be in boating/marina community and drive to beach. For us it's a 16min drive. As to how people do it. I know a lot of people rent their place out. Either a VRBO type rental or seasonally in winter. Some do it just the first few yrs to recoup some money. The down payment/closing cost is the toughest nut for most people. If you go rental route there are tax advantages which help with affordability. For me it was a completely unexpected expense. It's also the best investment I've ever made.

I don't live in Delaware, but we like Rehoboth Beach and Dewey Beach. We absolutely should have figured out how to buy a place there when we first started going there in 2013, but, since then, prices have gone nowhere but up, skyrocketing since Covid.

We would rent it out during peak season and any other time someone wants to use it, using it during the off season. It's the only way to be able to afford it.

Walking distance to the beach is a must. When I retire and want to be there during peak times, traffic is too awful and finding a parking spot is such a chore, I can't imagine otherwise.
 
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I'd consider how much time you think you will spend at the beach place. What I am thinking is renting/airBnB might be a better option.

While it's a nice feeling to own one's own place, there are a lot of headaches associated with owning a place that you are not usually living in. Renting the place out offers some income and tax advantages, but brings plenty of headaches, too. (I sold my Hawaii place last year after owning it for twenty years.)
 
Yeah being a millionaire now days doesn't have the same status that it used to. If people took the time to figure out their next worth they would be surprised at results. I'm sure there are millionaires reading this post.
 
Multiple homes owned by single entities, be it families or commercial endeavors. My ex just moved to the Boise area and in a couple of the neighborhoods where she was looking to rent ALL of the available rentals were owned by one investor. This is a trend. If it continues, the US will have fewer and fewer owner-occupied homes.
 
I'd consider how much time you think you will spend at the beach place. What I am thinking is renting/airBnB might be a better option.

While it's a nice feeling to own one's own place, there are a lot of headaches associated with owning a place that you are not usually living in. Renting the place out offers some income and tax advantages, but brings plenty of headaches, too. (I sold my Hawaii place last year after owning it for twenty years.)

I cannot argue with this logic! I like the freedom of being able to stay at multiple places. But my wife disagrees. She thinks it might be a way to build wealth, and it might be, but just not in today's market. (Or maybe it still is?)

She likes the freedom to come and go independent of reservations. Going there spur of the moment, and especially no 11 am hotel room checkouts.
 
MRCVS, don't just think of it as a guilty pleasure. Think of it as an investment. Because that is what it is. You are correct though. The prices are high everywhere. And interest rates got crazy. HOWEVER there could be opportunities. A lot of buyers use secondary unconventional funding to buy vacation properties. A lot of times these include adjustable rate and interest only mortgages. The theory is after they get right savings wise they will refinance. When these situations go sideways people sell for what they owe on property. In most cases just looking to avoid foreclosure or bankruptcy. If it helps you sleep at night, your not taking advantage of someone's misfortune, you are helping them out of a bad situation. Talk to some realtors in the areas you like. Ask for listings and to be put on mailing list. My only regret is I didn't buy the 2 bedroom unit that was for sale as well, when I bought mine.
 
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I don't even know what to call this thread, other than I'm puzzled!

It sure is hot out now, and my wife would love to have a place at the beach. She's wanted such a place for awhile. But, while a beach house or cottage would be nice, a condo within walking distance to the beach is even a stretch right now. Places at the beach are painfully expensive—always a bit more than we can afford—and, as my finances rise, so too do beach places, and so I'm always a dollar short and a day late. BUT, I'm hoping that with rising interest rates, places diminish in value, making such a place maybe affordable.

Here's the puzzler part, and I can't see how it's possible. This was inspired by a potential question one might get in an MBA interview, to evaluate critical thinking, not that your answer is right. Like, how many gas stations are there in America? Of course, most don't know the answer, but the way to answer it is there are over 300 million folks in America, 200 million have drivers licenses, and the average American drives 10,000 miles a year. Let's say you need 3 tanks of gas per 1000 miles, so that's 30 tanks of gas a year. 30 x 200 million is 6 billion tanks of gas. That's about 120 million gas tanks to fill weekly. Let's say the average gas station has 6 pumps. Let's say the average gas pump can fill 500 gas tank weekly. That's 3000 gas tanks per station. Do the math, and you come up with 40,000 gas stations nationally. I just googled and there are more than 145,000 gas stations nationally, so my answer is far from correct, but I proved I have the ability to reason.

So, using the same logic. There are over 300 million Americans, and about 130 million households. Households are more likely to purchase beach properties. Surveys have shown that most Americans are flat broke and can't come up with $400 to cover an emergency. The top 1% of households is 1.3 million American households. So, let's reason that over 90% of Americans cannot even consider purchasing a place at the seashore, being in the flat broke or reasonably successful category, and so maybe 10 million American households can even consider purchasing such a place. (I fall at the cusp of this fringe, perhaps, maybe being able to get a 1 to 2 bedroom condo within a mile of the beach if there is a downturn.)

SO, you have 10 million American households who could do it, half of which probably don't even want a place at the beach, half again who consider it and never do anything, and half are interested in the Pacific coast and the other half in the Atlantic coast (like me). The Atlantic coastline is fairly long. By my critical thinking exercise, it seems that's 1 to 2 million households interested in a place, or already owning such a place, within a mile of the beach, the shoreline being rather lengthy along the Atlantic seaboard. But demand is obviously there, a 7 figure place isn't a rarity anymore.

So, where are all these folks coming from with deep pockets to afford such a second home, when most surveys indicate most Americans are flat broke?

I live on a large lake and from the start of the Covid stuff to the middle of this spring property up here has been selling fast. I have seen it go the same day the sign is by the road. Many times at far more than was the asking price and a lot of cash offers. A lot of the places are only going to be seasonably occupied, but some of these people are moving up here year around.:eek:

These people from the most part came from the NY City area Connecticut and upper NJ. I call them flatlanders. Without going into detail they see things much different than the people that have lived up here for generations in some cases and like me 35 years.

I had 2 different realtors come to the house, told me what I could get for my property and they could sell it in a few days.
Thought about it but unfortunately have too much keeping me here.
 
During our working days instead of moving to the suburbs
we kept our place in the city which was 7 miles from the station.
On a visit to Galveston we found a "fixer-upper"....1991.

Paid $49k for it and thought I was outta my mind.
Well, we did the summer rental thing mostly to other copper's
etc....

Made alot of improvements from the extra rental income
and it was soon paid for.
Thought about selling when we retired but would have taken a
big hit because of capital gain tax.
So....we moved in near 6 years ago with the plan to sell later.

All the womenfolk in my life LOVE the dang beach.
So instead of having to live with 5 wizzed off women the
rest of my life I am are stiil here.( not exactly a briar patch)

Took some time for me to adjust. I prefer the East Texas
Piney woods and my deer camp but that is only 165 miles North.
However, beach life is growing on me.

It is now about a 1350 sq ft 3br/3bath 40 yards from the surf.
Real estate lady advised at the start of summer it would likely
sell within days at $475-485K.

10-12 degrees cooler than inland.
Downside....any given summer day a cat 5 could reduced
it to rubble.
First pic day we bought it.
After some improvements.
On the poop deck watching a T/storm roll in.
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So, where are all these folks coming from with deep pockets to afford such a second home, when most surveys indicate most Americans are flat broke?
One nephew has a second home on Fire Island, NY. He works two jobs, doing home inspections and home renovations. His wife is a brain surgery OR nurse, who is often on-call. They have 2 kids in elementary school.


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The status of "millionaire" doesn't mean as much as it did in the past. The average home value in the U.S today is $374,900. Add the value of your 401K after twenty years of service and there are a lot of millionaires today.
It's all relative to the value of the dollar. A dollar two years ago seems to be worth about 65 cents today. So the goal of being a "millionaire" is much more obtainable today and really doesn't mean as much in terms of wealth.
 
"...I hear such things like most individuals lack the ability to handle an unexpected $400 expense."

I think that would fall into the believe half of what you see, none of what you hear philosophy.
 
Well mrcvs, the wife and I have watched properties along the Chesapeake on the Eastern shore of VA for well over ten years now. She went to Chincoteague as a kid. We would visit with her parents during the summer vacation and they ended up retiring there twenty years ago.
My wife thinks she will be done with her work next Spring,so we are now looking for a place for real. My needs are basic. I would like to have an acre or two and it has to be waterfront. I really would like to fish 3 or 4 times a week, so it would be handy to put in or dock a boat at or from the house.
I will be making a day trip next week to look at a lot next week. I get to make the first decision if it's worth her going down to see it or not.
 

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