It's the 2% that worry me.

[RGVshooter]

Seems to me there's a difference between MYOB and "looking out for the other guy." I have been in social situations where the carrier has unintentionally had his weapon exposed for all to see. It did not engender "carry gun options" chatter but did elicit gratitude. Joe

There's a fine line between MYOB and "doing the right thing"

There's some people who would see a fist fight in a Walmart and pull out their cameras... There are some who would get involved & try to break it up.... Others, may simply walk away.

There are some people who would tell you "hey, you got a booger hangin' outa yur nose" And then there are some who would look the other way & keep walking.

Me? I'm the kind of guy who would see the fist fight at Walmart & walk away. But if I see a booger on your nose or your fly unzipped, there's a 40/60 chance I'll tell ya about the booger, and a 99% chance I'll tell you about the zipper.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Which is not to say there are not a certain number of idiots who do stupid things. If you say two percent of the gun owners in your neck of the woods are idiots. I will agree with you for the sake of discussion without asking for an official head count.

Probably two percent (maybe more)...
of the drivers in my neck of the woods should not be licenced.
of the parents at my kids school should not have had children.
of the doctors and lawyers and accountants I interviewed should not have been licenced.
of the voters in the last election could not have named candidates for office.
of those elected will eventually be indicted.

I think you get my drift here. There is probably two percent of any group that causes trouble for the other 98 percent...

Why, I bet two percent (maybe more) of the grabby anti-twos don't hate this country and all that it stands for.

 

[RGVshooter]

To be fair, the guy described by OP was possibly in jeopardy of a getting charged with trespass and I don't know TX law on this, but perhaps facing a gun seizure or loss of permit as well.

To my understanding in Texas. For the most part, in south Texas the property owner or whoever's in charge might point out the sign and ask you to go back & cover up or to just leave. if you stick around, then you'll risk being charged with trespassing.

OR

you might be going about your business when suddenly you're approached by a LEO & escorted out & most certainly cited for trespassing. There is a remote possibility they may just have you leave & no citation or consequences. That depends on the cool factor of the officer or property owner. If you're cited its a class B misdemeanor. Which may result in loss or carry privileges for 5 years.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Has there ever been an Open Carry thread here that ended Well?

It does for the member who has the correct number in the secret "locked at" pool.

 

[RGVshooter]

It does for the member who has the correct number in the secret "locked at" pool.

As long as we remain on topic....This discussion is not about open carry.

It is about making adult decisions. Like all decisions in life, you decide if you step up and say something, walk away, or watch.. the decision is yours. But in this situation I felt that this fellows lack of noticing the sign could have negatively impacted all gun owners in the public eye. He was thankful & appreciative.

 

[petepeterson]

To make it clear. I'm an supervisor at the store. I felt it was necessary and within my right to remind the guy of the posted sign that he failed to miss.

That part makes a difference. I apologize if I missed it.

 

[RGVshooter]

That part makes a difference. I apologize if I missed it.

no problem bud. My apologies for not including that in my original post.....

 

[Chubbo]

The 2%

The 2%, of people lacking "Common Sense", have always been with us, and always will be a part of our society. Common Sense can't be taught to the 2%, that are lacking it, by our finest schools. The 2% don't understand, when their faults are pointed out to them, or why they are reprimanded for them, as they don't realize that they are faults. Above all, the other 98% of us should not be held responsible for the actions of those 2%, or deprived of our rights, because of them. The laws, and rights, of the people were written for all of us. Punish the offenders, and,don't worry about the 2%, They can't be taught, Common sense!

Chubbo

 

[swsig]

RGVshooter,

I worry about people who stick their noses in other people's business.

If you want to keep your privilege to own and carry guns, you had better defend all gun owners who are within law. Because you don't like a way that a person is legally carrying a gun, you shouldn't infringe on his privilege to do so. You ought to defend it while quietly offering him advice.

The problem was that the gun owner described in RGVshooter's original post was not carrying his gun in a legal manner. RGVshooter was trying to help him out, but the gun owner seemed to be a combination of a neophyte and a dim bulb. While Texas is a gun-friendly state, it is also a property rights-friendly state. Any property owner who does not want people to carry openly can post a 30.07 sign, and gun owners are required to obey it.

If a property owner in Texas does not want any guns whatsoever carried on his/her property, the owner can post a 30.06 sign (ironic, eh?), which also must be obeyed. Naturally, in Texas, a 30.06 sign would significantly reduce sales volume of a retail business, as gun owners would refuse to patronize it. Those signs are rarely seen except where mandated by state law (medical facilities, courthouses, etc).

 

[nachogrande]

GOOD FOR YOU.

If doing your job & helping to teach a kid something that likely kept him out of trouble at that time & probably further down the road, makes you a big nosed buttinsky, then I for one wish there were more like you. I don't think I'd say anything about the OC, but removing it from the holster in a supermarket??? I would hope & think pretty much anyone, gun owner or not, would say something.

 

[pharmer]

The 2%, of people lacking "Common Sense", have always been with us, and always will be a part of our society. Chubbo

Don't conflate the numbers. The "OP" is referring to folks that both hold CWP's and have no common sense. Society, in general, has at least 50% of "members" that have zero common sense as evidenced by total lack of "problem solving skills." $.02 please, even though nobody asked. Joe

 

[Walkingwolf]

Has there ever been an Open Carry thread here that ended Well?

Yes I believe there is still one active besides this one, but it did not turn into a train wreck.

 

[snuffy51]

Minding my own business and knowing when to leave are two of my best skills.

 

[BigBadWolf11B]

The 2%, of people lacking "Common Sense", have always been with us, and always will be a part of our society. Common Sense can't be taught to the 2%, that are lacking it, by our finest schools. The 2% don't understand, when their faults are pointed out to them, or why they are reprimanded for them, as they don't realize that they are faults. Above all, the other 98% of us should not be held responsible for the actions of those 2%, or deprived of our rights, because of them. The laws, and rights, of the people were written for all of us. Punish the offenders, and,don't worry about the 2%, They can't be taught, Common sense!

Chubbo

I’m pretty sure it’s more than 2% when it comes to common sense.

 

[Chubbo]

Statistics

Don't conflate the numbers. The "OP" is referring to folks that both hold CWP's and have no common sense. Society, in general, has at least 50% of "members" that have zero common sense as evidenced by total lack of "problem solving skills." $.02 please, even though nobody asked. Joe

Your statistics came from Where???

Chubbo

 

[pharmer]

Your statistics came from Where??? Chubbo

Same place everybody else gets them from, I made them up. Joe

 

[BC38]

Your statistics came from Where???

Chubbo

Observation?

Saying 50% lack common sense is certainly an exaggeration, but there are so many that demonstrate such a SPECTACULAR lack of common sense that it sometimes seems like they make up half the population.

 

[BE Mike]

The country is full of people who text an drive, use hard drugs, drink and do all kinds of things they aren't good at, even stone sober. Everyone who drives daily knows that there are folks who are aggressive drivers; those who follow too closely; speeders; those who don't signal lane changes or turns and on and on. I don't even want to start a discussion of the competence or lack thereof of the average Joe or Jill shooting at a commercial range. I don't buy RGVshooter's stats either. All that pointing the finger will only cause push back in most cases and most likely won't change the offender's behavior. Better to just let it go. Either John Law or the law of averages, usually catches up to them.

 

[Maddog 521]

I didn't get much farther than "after I pointed it out to a supervisor"

 

[Richard Simmons]

Being a better shot OR NOT, LEOS do receive a much more extensive training than "most" CCL owners. In FL where a GUESTIMATED very large # of CCL'S are issued daily with zero training required, ( * back when I got mine anyway * ) it makes me think of safety a great deal. A hunter safety class is REQUIRED for a hunting license, but no required education/training for a CCL??? IDK the exact #'s, but I think your estimate of 98% is generous. Thanks for starting a new thread. Obviously I feel safety is something that can't be stressed enough & sorry if my hijacks & soapbox antics bother you. Your example is a good one, being that many/most AD's are "probably" not malicious.

Seems like mandatory training to carry a gun is a day late and a dollar short. Why not require it to even purchase or possess a firearm? I mean that would solve the problem and it's only a small infringement on our right to keep and bear arms right? By the way I'm being sarcastic but is my suggestion much of a stretch from what you'd like to see?