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I have a couple of 317s, did the spring kits improve the trigger? Any reliability issues? I just assumed the kits were for J frame 38s and not rim fire.
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I have a couple of 317s, did the spring kits improve the trigger? Any reliability issues? I just assumed the kits were for J frame 38s and not rim fire.
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Another geezer, long retired cop here. Been shooting J frames for 50 years. Yeah dry fire the hell out of it. Don't mess with the springs. That can bite you in the butt should you ever shoot someone. Yes, I know all about tried by twelve.
As a academy and department FA instructor I've testified in Grand Jury's about this stuff. Enough said. Go do whatever you want.
As a academy and department FA instructor I've testified in Grand Jury's about this stuff. Enough said. Go do whatever you want.
Sgt.buzzard Dry fire the hail out of it can work when your healthy and in good physical condition and have the time to just dry fire that revolver but like many old LE experts there Box of knowledge can be limited !!
Older folks may have physical limits to deal with . Also gun companies use to have skilled people that assembled parts to a tighter spec even for production handguns with a more consistently and smoother trigger function that has less variation in pull weight than found today with S&W 11lb to 15lb spread on there DA/SA revolvers but others have the same problems .
MY wife is 67 5'-2" small physically and strength level does not allow here to smooth out a DA trigger pull that can take thousands of trigger pulls. So much for your common sense knowledge .
I know a few older men and women that carry J frames that s&w did there trigger tune up for them and what s&w custom shop Can give you is the same as I've done at home with after market parts . Hopefully you will never need to carry a m&p EZ just to be able rack the slide or need a revolver with a lighter trigger pull to be able to shoot it proficiently!!
So sgt Maybe if your ever called to offer so called expert advise in the future You pay more attention to why a factory lightened or aftermarket lightened trigger might be needed to shoot well .
Older folks may have physical limits to deal with . Also gun companies use to have skilled people that assembled parts to a tighter spec even for production handguns with a more consistently and smoother trigger function that has less variation in pull weight than found today with S&W 11lb to 15lb spread on there DA/SA revolvers but others have the same problems .
MY wife is 67 5'-2" small physically and strength level does not allow here to smooth out a DA trigger pull that can take thousands of trigger pulls. So much for your common sense knowledge .
I know a few older men and women that carry J frames that s&w did there trigger tune up for them and what s&w custom shop Can give you is the same as I've done at home with after market parts . Hopefully you will never need to carry a m&p EZ just to be able rack the slide or need a revolver with a lighter trigger pull to be able to shoot it proficiently!!
So sgt Maybe if your ever called to offer so called expert advise in the future You pay more attention to why a factory lightened or aftermarket lightened trigger might be needed to shoot well .
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I am 80 and got a 642-2. The trigger pull was very hard for me so I got an Apex kit which helps a lot.
Duty/Carry Spring Kit for J-Frame Revolvers
Duty/Carry Spring Kit for J-Frame Revolvers
I installed apex kits on the five J frames I have. I had intermittent, albeit infrequent, light primer strikes in three of the five. I reinstalled the factory hammer springs but left in the apex firing pins and rebound springs in all of them. The trigger pull wasn't as nice as with the full kit, but reliability was back to 100 percent.
Lighter smoother pull sounds good on revolver but pay $$ to try see if solid function...will let be as is with zero FTF.
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hardluk, as I said, " Go do whatever you want"
But the fact of the matter is, if you can't draw from concealed smoothly and quickly then place a few shots accurately into center mass at a close distance under extremely high pressure, you're done.
FACT. Criminals practice taking away weapons in the prison yard. If you can't pull the trigger on a stock Smith, what on earth makes you think a light trigger pull is going to help?
FACT. That gun is going to be ripped out of your hand and shoved up your...Then used by said criminal in other crimes.
FACT. You would be much better off with a can of bear spray, high OC content, and giving them a face full. It is much easier to use than a gun and a high degree of accuracy is not needed. Caution, CN or CS is not really effective.
FACT. Look at and re-read the post's where lighter springs have led to failure to fire due to light primer strikes.
Now, go out and do whatever you want.
But the fact of the matter is, if you can't draw from concealed smoothly and quickly then place a few shots accurately into center mass at a close distance under extremely high pressure, you're done.
FACT. Criminals practice taking away weapons in the prison yard. If you can't pull the trigger on a stock Smith, what on earth makes you think a light trigger pull is going to help?
FACT. That gun is going to be ripped out of your hand and shoved up your...Then used by said criminal in other crimes.
FACT. You would be much better off with a can of bear spray, high OC content, and giving them a face full. It is much easier to use than a gun and a high degree of accuracy is not needed. Caution, CN or CS is not really effective.
FACT. Look at and re-read the post's where lighter springs have led to failure to fire due to light primer strikes.
Now, go out and do whatever you want.
Sgt. Buzz like your post. Yep get, use what'ca want. Just a thought after your last post. If time comes trigger pull tuff...carry a trusted semi with practice. Proximity to perp?
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Dixie you bring up a valid point with the auto loaders. The yeah but part comes in with working the action. Either pulling the slide back and slingshot release or using the slide release/stop.
I worked as police academy and department FA instructor for 18 years. Now retired I work on a civilian range as RSO. There's a big problem with new shooters learning the manual of arms with auto loaders and many cannot work the slide without practice moving both hands, close to the body. A weak grip and heavy recoil springs for heavy loads is one problem. Another is the slide lock/release. Watching people trying to lock a slide back is horrifying with all the muzzle flashing they do.
While a DAO revolver has a 12# trigger its operation is quite simple compared to the autos. Even absolute beginners understand point and shoot. Think about it. If you can't pull a 12 lb. trigger what are you going to do with some guy that's spent the last two years working out in the prison yard? A 9lb. trigger is going to save you? What total B/S.
I worked as police academy and department FA instructor for 18 years. Now retired I work on a civilian range as RSO. There's a big problem with new shooters learning the manual of arms with auto loaders and many cannot work the slide without practice moving both hands, close to the body. A weak grip and heavy recoil springs for heavy loads is one problem. Another is the slide lock/release. Watching people trying to lock a slide back is horrifying with all the muzzle flashing they do.
While a DAO revolver has a 12# trigger its operation is quite simple compared to the autos. Even absolute beginners understand point and shoot. Think about it. If you can't pull a 12 lb. trigger what are you going to do with some guy that's spent the last two years working out in the prison yard? A 9lb. trigger is going to save you? What total B/S.
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Well said and worth far more than most YouTube videos or many other Internet sources, where to their misfortune, many get information these days.
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When mentioned a semi as opposed to battling revolver trigger & as you said...possible consequences was meaning of course carry pistol. Wife carrys LCP2. Gave daughter 642 20yrs back & LCP2 more recently. Both can shoot. As also Cert. NRA instructor & RSO have had classes with women for ease and guick deployment use semi's with just deploy, point & pull trigger. Jframes same. Easy to learn for not just ladies but those not acquainted with or physical limits. Could go on & on but know you get to premise. Focus on threat...no racking, pushin buttons or flippin switches. Don't mean to beat this drum continuously.
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When mentioned a semi as opposed to battling revolver trigger & as you said...possible consequences was meaning of course carry pistol. Wife carrys LCP2. Gave daughter 642 20yrs back & LCP2 more recently. Both can shoot. As also Cert. NRA instructor & RSO have had classes with women for ease and guick deployment use semi's with just deploy, point & pull trigger. Jframes same. Easy to learn for not just ladies but those not acquainted with or physical limits. Could go on & on but know you get to premise. Focus on threat...no racking, pushin buttons or flippin switches. Don't mean to beat this drum continuously.
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The wolff and Wilson kits improved the .38's, the standard S&W j frame mainspring put into the 317, the rebound spring can be reduced and made the 317 a smoother operator. S&W put the extra strong mainspring in to deal with harder .22 cartridges including the older Russian steel cased rimfire cartridges.
I, also was a LE Firearms Instructor for eighteen years and I agree with Sgt. Buzzard. Speaking for myself, I came from an era where we had to adapt to the firearm, not the other way around. Of course I was younger and healthier then. Reliability is everything so lightening springs (or backing out the strain screw) was a no-no.
FWIW, I bought my wife a Beretta Model 86 .380 ACP w/ tip-up barrel. It just seemed to check all the boxes for us.
FWIW, I bought my wife a Beretta Model 86 .380 ACP w/ tip-up barrel. It just seemed to check all the boxes for us.
Well you seemed to have gotten off topic rather quickly to do what make you look smart !! Ha . I take the time while the J frames apart to also do some polishing of parts and us a good synthetic lube where needed and with an additional 100 rounds fired thru the J frame its issue free unlike some others .
Now your issues about other Facts - I'm no newbie to CC'n with 36 years of experience and another 25 years hunting . Some other that was walk a stalk for hogs . Now probably you I not as fast with my draw and fire from CC but I have a handgun range at home to practice on weekly and load my own practice ammo . I am more comfortable carrying a 4" class 40 or 45 pistol in a iwb . Pocket carry never was something like but as a carpenter it served a purpose for a few years .
You most be slow to pay attention sgt . Its my small 67 year old wife that had the problem so take your own advice about where you might have your handgun shoved !
High degree of accuracy sort of goes away with most defensive shooting drills and yup close You should be using a retention drill But maybe you knew that at some point of your past .
I'm the wrong guy for some know it all like you to try to pass along a fools advise too .
Whoa! Me thinks someone had restless nite & missed their morning joe! Posts usually take directional turns in thread cause of individual knowledge from opinion or experience...read posts & take for what they are, however stated, then "go do what i want". Life is good with cup #3.
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The ammunition makes a difference in reliability. Not all primers ignite with a lighter strike. Make sure you test your ammo too!
Maybe its ole sgt had a bad night yesterday . I will say thank gosh for hogue over molded rubber one piece grip as I just came in from firing 50 more rounds of speer 135gr short barrel 357mag for a total of 250 rounds , 200 of those are reloads all fired with ZERO issues and good primer sticks .
Might be a few problems for some folks with some upgrade kits so do what's necessary to correct the problems but one ole curmudgeon seem to think a j frame has to be 12lbs .
He also lacks the common sense to know some smaller older people like my wife may require a lighter DA trigger pull on a revolver to shoot well on a defensive course of fire that can including mag swaps , tap rap bang drills and moving while shooting at different targets .
Sound like a good morning sir. Trigger pull weight concerns is why mentioned semi's in earlier post. At 75 my bride carries Ruger LCP2 .380 tested for reliability. Lite, just deploy, point & shoot. You & yours are confident with trigger reliability so that's it. Hope our brides don't need tap rack, reloads, shoot movement drills except move to cover as the 'refuse to be a victim' mindset kicks in. Keep burnin' powder!
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Anyone who does a trigger or spring "job" on a carry gun owes it to him/herself to do the following IMO.
Fire at least 100 CCI primed and loaded cartridges which are known to be the hardest to set off of major primer brands and see if you have any FTF. If you do, then I would deem your lightening of he action TOO light for cary purposes and would not carry it until that situation has been remedied. Hey, that's just me but I don't think it's a bad way to test. I would NEVER have a gun that would only set off certain brands of primers or cartridges.
Fire at least 100 CCI primed and loaded cartridges which are known to be the hardest to set off of major primer brands and see if you have any FTF. If you do, then I would deem your lightening of he action TOO light for cary purposes and would not carry it until that situation has been remedied. Hey, that's just me but I don't think it's a bad way to test. I would NEVER have a gun that would only set off certain brands of primers or cartridges.
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