jamming M&P 15-22

[Majorlk]

Nobody's "upset"; some people just like to use correct terminology.

That said, there are a couple of different "Federal Bulk" rounds. The red box has 550 rounds and the blue box has 525 rounds. There's a difference, but offhand I don't remember what it is. All I have shot for plinking the last few years is the blue box. I just put another 300 rounds of it through the 15-22 this afternoon. In 2,000+ rounds I have had two fire failures and those both shot on the second try; no other difficulties.

I have a box of the CCI Tactical that I am loading magazines with this evening to see if there is any appreciable difference in accuracy in my firearm. The Federal Champion routinely groups under an inch at 25 yards and a little more at 50. I haven't checked group sizes at longer distances.

I hope the ammo change solves your problem.

 

[Juvicator]

Watch the vid on loading. And watch the rim placement. The rim of every round you put in should go in front of the previous. If not the bolt will have to pull the top rounds rim over the one under it. Can cause nosediving of top round and cause jams.

I stay away from Remington golds in the 15-22. Hollow seems too big and lots of loose lead. Not to mention you get sparkly Twilight fingers.

 

[Steveweck]

About three weeks ago I bought the 15-22. I have at least 1200 rounds through it. I've tried all the ammo that is recommended in the instructions. I didn't have any problems with any ammo.

However, the first time I went I had an issue with the trigger returning real slow. It was just lack of lube. It hasn't happened since.

Today I bought two more mags because in NY there is a ten round limit. They were S&W mags. These new mags were very sticky and the first round kind of got stuck a couple times. I think if they break in or I lube them alittle they will be fine.

So, so far so good with the gun and the recommended ammo. Using mostly Federal, 550 rounds for $25, thats about 4.5cents per round.

 

[Juvicator]

Don't "lube" your mags. Clean them if needed, but lube can cause build up and/or get on the ammo which could cause ammo problems if it breaches inside. If anything I guess dry graphite could be used on the follower. Personally I just take mine apart and wipe them down from time to time.

 

[goat03]

Nevermind.

 

[GypsmJim]

That said, there are a couple of different "Federal Bulk" rounds. The red box has 550 rounds and the blue box has 525 rounds. There's a difference, but offhand I don't remember what it is. .

I wondered that myself. Comparing the two rounds they visually look exactly the same. Federal's web site shows exactly the same velocity, energy, etc.

 

[kennyb]

my owners manual is pretty specific as to DO NOT use remington ammo....

 

[Majorlk]

my owners manual is pretty specific as to DO NOT use remington ammo....

Unless your manual is different than mine, the manual doesn't say DO NOT; it says DOES NOT RECOMMEND. The two statements are not synonymous.

Despite the DNR from S&W, lots of shooters here report no problems with Remington, just a lots of folks report problems with Federal.

Each firearm is a law unto itself as to which ammo it likes or doesn't like.

 

[kennyb]

Unless your manual is different than mine, the manual doesn't say DO NOT; it says DOES NOT RECOMMEND. The two statements are not synonymous.

Despite the DNR from S&W, lots of shooters here report no problems with Remington, just a lots of folks report problems with Federal.

Each firearm is a law unto itself as to which ammo it likes or doesn't like.

ok...then YOU use the ammo thats NOT recommended i'll steer clear of it

 

[Majorlk]

ok...then YOU use the ammo thats recommended i'll steer clear of it

I was (1) simply correcting an oft-repeated mis-quote of the manual and (2) stating the FACT that many shooters here do use Remingtons without problems.

Don't know what your problem is.

 

[GypsmJim]

Most of the comments I read about Feds are positive. OTOH, lots of negatives about Rems. Not just re. 15-22s, but many firearms as well.

Personally, if it said Rem on it I wouldn't use it if it was given to me for free. I can live with a "few" duds, but 15% duds are unacceptable and even one hangfire is enough to make me talk trash for years!

 

[kennyb]

i'm with you jim....my manual says it does not work...many here have tried it with the same result...thats enough fo me

 

[jerryvt09]

Well, it was the ammo. changed to blazer brand and not a single jam. Man this is a fun little shooting gun.

 

[crracer_712]

I was (1) simply correcting an oft-repeated mis-quote of the manual and (2) stating the FACT that many shooters here do use Remingtons without problems.

Don't know what your problem is.

His problem was probably the same as mine was when you corrected my word usage regarding what the manual says about Remmington ammo.

No said 'and I quote', they just referenced the manual and they way it disfavors the Remmington golden bullets. Period.

I'll leave splitting hairs to the Beautician across the street.

Every one got a manual with their 15-22 and they can break it out on their own if they want it in verbatim.

As far as those that use it with no issue, more power to them. If someone says their rifle is jamming, oh and I'm using the Remmington Golden Bullets..... Well then...

I'm in the crowd, mostly likely the largest crowd ever, on the face of the planet, that won't get any more golden bullets. I have over a dozen 22's, rifle and pistols, and only the Remington 597 got along with them, albeit marginally at best.

 

[Majorlk]

As far as those that use it with no issue, more power to them. If someone says their rifle is jamming, oh and I'm using the Remmington Golden Bullets..... Well then...

I don't disagree with this statement at all. That would be my first guess, as well. I seldom used them in a semi-auto, but I shot a lot of it back in the 70s in revolvers and bolt actions and never had a problem with performance. Today's production may be another matter altogether, but that does not negate the fact that many folks posting here indicate it functions fine for them.

As for splitting hairs about the wording in the manual, yea, I do that. I was taught to be accurate when quoting and try very hard to do so, especially when the mis-quote changes the meaning of a statement. Much of the mis-information on the Internet comes from inaccurate information that gets accepted as fact because no one challenges it. I try to correct that, especially for people who are new to whatever the subject is. If more of it was done, we wouldn't have people calling bullets "tips" or "heads", calling plated bullets "jacketed" and similar nonsense that has become popular over the last few years.

 

[MAD FALCON]

I wondered that myself. Comparing the two rounds they visually look exactly the same. Federal's web site shows exactly the same velocity, energy, etc.

The fed champion blue box ammo I have are hollow points. The red box ammo is not.

 

[Majorlk]

The fed champion blue box ammo I have are hollow points. The red box ammo is not.

Thanks for that information; I just learned something new.

 

[MAD FALCON]

Your welcome. I thought they were the same too till I opened the box last month. I had it for about a year and didnt know, and it even says hollow points on the box I have but I dont remember reading it .

 

[24spenser]

Glad you got it figured out jerry. Now go out there and get some Coyotes for this site.

 

[GaBoy25]

I have the slidefire stock; 50 Round drum ect on mine and remington thunderbolt 40 grain non plated round nose bullets work flawlessly. CCI mini mags tend to have light primer strikes. 500 round for around $20 too.

 

[Gatillo]

Watch the vid on loading. And watch the rim placement. The rim of every round you put in should go in front of the previous. If not the bolt will have to pull the top rounds rim over the one under it. Can cause nosediving of top round and cause jams.

I took my 15-22 out to the range for the first time yesterday. I had three hangups in 200 CCI mini-mag rounds. It just may have been the way I loaded the mag. I'll have to be more diligent about this rim in front of rim loading. That may have been the problem. Taking it out again next Monday...we'll see what happens.

 

[GaBoy25]

I took my 15-22 out to the range for the first time yesterday. I had three hangups in 200 CCI mini-mag rounds. It just may have been the way I loaded the mag. I'll have to be more diligent about this rim in front of rim loading. That may have been the problem. Taking it out again next Monday...we'll see what happens.

I just rack the mag follower up and down every couple of rounds. Making sure the exposed round stays tilted up 10-20 degrees. The drum feeds kind of straight so its much more fool proof to load.

 

[Gatillo]

Paid more attention to the way I loaded the mags this morning and had only one failure to feed out of 150 CCI mini-mag rounds.

 

[GaBoy25]

Paid more attention to the way I loaded the mags this morning and had only one failure to feed out of 150 CCI mini-mag rounds.

Not something I'd want to reload under pressure for sure!

 

[Gatillo]

Not something I'd want to reload under pressure for sure!

No worries...I've got plenty of other options for any "under pressure" scenarios

 

[tuffytim0812]

CCI Mini Mag @ Ammunitiontogo

 

[Leetatum]

Very disappointed !!

I took my new ar15-22 out of the box yesterday and was looking forward to doing some serious plinking to my dismay. The gun jammed 3 times on the first clip. Smith & Wesson should be aware of this problem after reading so much about the problem. I wish I had done some research before buying this gun. After paying so much for a gun from a well known manufacturing company I would have never dreamed there would be any problems with the gun. I'm going to try to bend the extractor in like some have mentioned but I don't like it at all.

 

[sithlord]

I took my new ar15-22 out of the box yesterday and was looking forward to doing some serious plinking to my dismay. The gun jammed 3 times on the first clip��. Smith & Wesson should be aware of this problem after reading so much about the problem. I wish I had done some research before buying this gun. After paying so much for a gun from a well known manufacturing company I would have never dreamed there would be any problems with the gun. I'm going to try to bend the extractor in like some have mentioned but I don't like it at all.

Most of us have been there too. New rifles and magazines need breaking in.

Did you thoroughly clean the rifle before shooting it?

Are you sure the rounds were staggered properly? This was my biggest hurdle/fault. pull the follower down far enough to load 1 and only 1 round at a time.

Did you perhaps over lubricate the bolt?

If all else fails, I'll take the *** off your hands... Cheap....

Also, feel free to start a new thread.

 

[Leetatum]

I oiled the bolt well. I checked the extractor and it seems to be aligned fine without bending any. I racked the magazine several times to make sure shells were staggered good. I fired about ten shots slowly and the rapid fired the last 15. Everything worked fine. Problem solved. I think the magazine was the main problem. It works, that's all that matters to me

 

[GhostMutt]

I oiled the bolt well.

For future reference, only the rails the bolt slides on need oiling and only very little at that. Applying lots of oil on the bolt body will do nothing but attract crud and gunk up your action, which can lead to problems.