Jet Stuff

[jrm53]

I called the Lyman company today to see if I could get a Lyman 225107 bullet mould made if I paid enough, the rep said no. I said theres a lot of interest in the Jet now maybe they could sell a couple of hundred moulds. She said it would take thousands and they were so far behind they wouldnt be able to. I asked if they still had the cherrys that they used to cut the mould and she said they had a fire in the old plant and lost a lot of tooling, so no help from them. She did give me a couple of Phone #'s Mikes Reloading 802-254-5296 called, he sells 3 different bullets for a Jet 13.00 per 100 cast from straight linotype.

 

[Guest]

I got a little closer to getting my swaging die since I shipped off the half dozen Hornady 40 grain .224 V-Max bullets to Corbin yesterday.

 

[Guest]

The latest on my "Jet" bullet project:

"<span class="ev_code_RED">It's in the works. We have over 300 pending orders with about a year backlog on some, visitors morning to night, over 1000 emails a day...and four people. Obama has been the salemans of the year for guns I guess. We will finish and ship as soon as we can. Thanks for your patience! D.R. Corbin, President Corbin Mfg & Supply, Inc. PO Box 2659, 600 Industrial Circle, White City, OR 97503</span>"

 

[M29since14]

Sounds like it's time to turn off the email and lock out the visitors!

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by M29since14:
Sounds like it's time to turn off the email and lock out the visitors!

Yep, I just 'hope' I'm not #300 on the waiting list!!!

 

[Guest]

The reply I received from the Remington Company about my question wondering if they might be willing to make another run of the .22 Remington "Jet" Magnum ammo or bullets:

"<span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no. If what we've been making for the last 60 years isn't good enough anymore we'll go ahead and drop it because we could sure use the production time.</span>"

Seems that they are too busy to be bothered.

 

[perrazi]

that is the problem. they haven't made any for about 25yrs. what they did make would be fine if they would make it. unfortunately any small interest ammo or bullets will not get made the way things are now.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by perrazi: ...unfortunately any small interest ammo or bullets will not get made the way things are now.

Well, they did go so far as to make another run of Brass just a couple of years ago.

 

[M29since14]

"Sorry, no. If what we've been making for the last 60 years isn't good enough anymore we'll go ahead and drop it because we could sure use the production time."

That's a stupid comment! Jet people rarely agree on almost anything, but they all agree it is impossible to duplicate Remington's factory ammo. Where do they get off with that noise?

 

[rburg]

Originally posted by M29since14:
Where do they get off with that noise?

Big company, busy right now. Probably don't think they need customers. Look at history, and think about the bind GM has themselves in right now. Then consider the causes. I see some similarities.

 

[Guest]

Originally posted by M29since14: That's a stupid comment!

It could be taken that way but it could also be taken as a "Sign of the Times" and a "Reality Check" that WE don't particularly care for. I spent last Thursday visiting a GUN Shop in the Northern part of this State. My Dad took me there 40+ years ago for the first time and it was impressive even to a High School kid. Over the years they've gotten bigger and bigger and I've been there many, many times. I took a walk through their warehouse building and was "shocked and amazed" at just how empty the place was!!!

They have one wall on the end of the building that is where they store bullets and nothing more. While I've never measured the building I'd guess this end is something like 24 feet wide and the shelving goes up a good 12 feet. That's a lot of bullets!!! I've never seen so much empty space and would guess that there was less than a third(maybe 1/4) of the shelves covered with "In Stock" product. I've seen the days when these shelves were not only full but you had to bob and weave around the stock that was on the floor!!!

I purchased 5K CCI Small Pistol Magnum Primers and ended up with just under half of their entire stock! I've watched them unload CCI primers by the "pallet" in the past!

I've also seen another entire wall of this warehouse stacked with Remington rifles and shotguns front floor to ceiling - Thursday, they had maybe a couple of dozen of those well known Green Boxes and not a single .308 rifle in the bunch.

Obama should be named the "Man of the Year" for the entire gun industry - at least for this Year!!! Maybe, next year will be very different.

 

[BUFF]

Time to revive the thread...

I found my July, 1977 issue of SHOOTIMG TIMES magazine. On the cover is the Interarms Virginian Dragoon, a Blackhawk-looking single action reviewed inside by Skeeter Skelton. In his "Hipshots" column, Skeeter announces that Colt was going to reintroduce the Single Action Army and New Frontier in .44 Special.

Inside is an article titled "Whatever Happened To The .22 Jet Revolver?" written by Dick "I-Never-Met-A-Gun-I-Didn't-Like" Metcalf. He reviews the history of the Jet and the Model 53 including the problems some had with extraction of fired rounds.

Metcalf had gotten his hands on an unfired M-53 with an 8-3/8 inch barrel. He did accuracy tests with the Jet and factory ammo, and compared them to results he got from shooting .22 LR ammo in the auxillary cylinder, the inserts, a M-17, .22 WMR ammo in a M-48, and then .22 LR ammo in an auxillary cylinder fitted to the M-48.

Metcalf then talks about handloading for the Jet and lists his results in a chart. His listed loads are his maximums:

.223 Speer 40 gr. spirepoint bullet:

8.5 gr.Blue Dot, 1992 fps, 1.02" groups.
10.2 gr. IMR-4227, 1868 fps, 1.29" groups.
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.222 Hornaday 40 gr. Jet bullet:

9.4 gr. AL8, 2007 fps, 1.13" groups.
8.5 gr. Blue Dot, 1985 fps, 1.16" groups.
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.223 Sierra 45 gr. Hornet bullet:

10.2 gr. IMR-4227, 1854 fps, 1.63" groups.
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.222 gr. Remington 40 gr. softnose Jet bullet:

8.5 gr. Blue Dot, 1972 fps, 1.37" groups.
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Remington factory Jet load:

1988 fps, 1.23" group in 8-3/8" M-53.
1844 fps, 6" M-53.
1607 fps, 4" M-53.
2597 fps, 10" T/C Contender.

His accuracy measurements "represent average of 10 five-shot strings fired at a 50-yard target from a machine rest."

Well, there you go. IMR-4227 and Blue Dot are still available, but it's been years, mebbe decades since I have seen any AlCan powders on a gunshop shelf.

 

[jrm53]

I have just sent an email to Mid South shooters trying to get them to get Lee to custom make the Lyman 225107 38 grain gas check bullet avaliable as a custom double cavity mould. I have a 43 grain and a 55 grain on back order from them and have made a .2225 sizing die and am working on a .223 sizing die. I believe I can make my Jet shoot with cast bullets in one of these sizes. Plus they will work in my Hornet.

 

[M29since14]

...written by Dick "I-Never-Met-A-Gun-I-Didn't-Like" Metcalf.

Dick had a good shooting gun. I have never fired a Jet from a machine rest, but I have shot a lot of them, many with telescopes, and that would amount to one of the better shooting Jets I have seen, if not the best.

Blue Dot does seem to be one of the OK powders in the Jet, but it is troublesome to find data for. Looks like his results with the Hornady bullet were better than with the Remingtons. Surprising. I would still like to have some Remingtons!

 

[S/W - Lifer]

I remember the article. Seems to me that was the one that mentioned cleaning Jet charge holes with acetone. I remember my Jets running for 18 rounds before developing problems but for handgun hunting, that was never a concern.

I've been messing with Jets for around 40 years. I still like the factory bullets the best. I also have to admit my T/C Jet carbine is growing on me.

S/W - Lifer

 

[perrazi]

you can also use alcohol or lighter fluid in the chambers before you shoot to get out any oil or case lube. if you don't try to use top end loads the cases usually will eject easily and for quite a number of rounds before doing the cleaning routine again.

 

[jrm53]

There will be no custom 225107 molds made by Lee I heard back from MidSouth Shooters supply and they are so covered up with backorders they are not accepting any at this time so it looks like I will only have the 43 grain Lyman to develope a Jet load.

 

[Guest]

Let us know how it works.

 

[BUFF]

Originally posted by S/W - Lifer:

"I remember the article. Seems to me that was the one that mentioned cleaning Jet charge holes with acetone. I remember my Jets running for 18 rounds before developing problems but for handgun hunting, that was never a concern."

In the artcle, Metcalf says he used "Birchwood Casey's Cleaner-Degreaser compound." Earlier in the article, he said the factory advised Jet shooters to keep the chambers clean and dry using "lighter fluid, gasoline or degreasing agents".

 

[wheelgun1958]

Grafs has Prvi Partisan brass for sale at $21.99 per 100.