John Wayne-role model

[sheepdawg]

Proof is in the pudding, on the net and on at least both: John Wayne | Official Site and JWMB - The Original John Wayne Message Board! Have a nice glorious sunshine-filled day.

I guess the truth hurts sometimes. I stated a fact, not some history rewrite or rumor put out by someone who probably thinks 2A ain't such a swell idea either.

 

[Old 44 Guy]

Lee Marvin was shot in the butt, also. USMC So. Pacific.

 

[Ματθιας]

Funny how some want to tear down America's heroes.

If you are talking about John Wayne, what, exactly is heroic about acting - pretending to be other people?

 

[WuzzFuzz]

Lee Marvin was shot in the butt, also. USMC So. Pacific.

He's the one I was thinking of, not George Kennedy.


WuzzFuzz

 

[Cleveland48]

Regardless of his service I still enjoy his movies and always will. He was a hero to me growing up that's all my dad and uncle would watch, so I always catch the John Wayne marathons when I can. He had values a lot of actors today don't. I would rather my kid grow up being inspired by the Duke than our current president or current actors!

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[just jim]

If you are talking about John Wayne, what, exactly is heroic about acting - pretending to be other people?

Tell us what it is you don't like about him.

 

[Mule Packer]

I read somewhere (so take this with the proverbial grain of salt) that John Wayne was very concerned about the image he portrayed on the silver screen and once remarked that he hoped he could someday become the kind of man he portrayed.

I guess when "push comes to shove," we all have character flaws. Being in the spotlight makes those flaws more evident to the whole world and not just to our family and friends.

Okay, so John Wayne wasn't perfect. But, by golly, my little brother and I sure did enjoy paying our fifty cents to watch the Saturday matinee with the Duke, thinking that we wanted to grow up to be like that guy on the big screen.

Maybe he wasn't like that in real life. Whether he was or not is irrelevant. The bottom line is that I believe he influenced a lot of us little kids to become better...and I think that's saying something.

 

[Ματθιας]

Tell us what it is you don't like about him.

Where did I say I liked, disliked him or anybody else? I simply asked what's heroic about pretending to be other people. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[BikerRN]

Duke DID try joining but--was already 34 in 1941, had 4 children and the War Dept sent him a letter basically stating that he would be more valuable for the war effort to keep making his movies and public appeanances and such. I dont know many they took in who--were at Dukes age--and who already had a large familiy to take care of.

My old man was 34 when he went in.
Had two kids too. He saw action at Pelelu, Okinawa, Solomon Islands, and Leyte Gulf.
I think the fact that Mr. Wayne was so old is more of a PR spin than reality. While I liked the Duke in movies I had a higher respect for Lee Marvin, Jimmy Stewart, and Ted Williams.

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[shouldazagged]

Wayne was the best who ever was at playing John Wayne.

I don't know the facts about his draft status in WWWII, and don't worry about it. I admire people like Stewart, Charles Durning (Omaha Beach), and others for their military service. I was never a fan of Martha Raye, Bob Hope or Joe E. Brown, but honor them tremendously for all they did for the morale of service personnel.

I'm also not a great Wayne fan and never was; but if he contributed to morale and instilled worthwhile values in kids, I'll salute him.

With someone like Stewart, I do admire his Air Force service, but I'd love his acting without knowing that. In fact, I did for years before I knew of his record.

Acting is a profession, a job. Many actors do brilliant work in roles completely foreign to their experience. Then they go home and resume their real lives, the way I used to come home from my job and become a different me. I might not approve of how some of them live, but usually I can put that aside if they're doing good work.

There are exceptions, but not a large number.

 

[Engine 21]

Look, none of this proves anything. Actors are actors - some are revered, some are hated. If John Wayne inspired young men when they needed inspiration - good on him. Whether, he was in the armed services in any capacity does not matter. What does matter is - if he made a positive impact - he did. But on the other hand, suppose he did go into the armed forces and they told him look, we need cooks so you are going to be a cook. Would he have made the same impact on America that he did as an actor? Of course not but someone would be degrading what he did with "well, he was only a cook in the Army". So, give the man his due - he did what he thought was right at the time.

Rant over.

 

[Muley Gil]

Check out Glenn Ford's record. He served in the Marines and in the Navy. He also did a tour in Viet Nam.

 

[just jim]

Where did I say I liked, disliked him or anybody else? I simply asked what's heroic about pretending to be other people. Nothing more. Nothing less.

John Wayne was an American in everything he did. He had one of the most successful careers in the business and was loved by millions of Americans. He fought cancer for many years at the same time promoting American values. He may not have been a "WAR" hero but he was a true American.

 

[zzzippper]

That was a myth and proven wrong many years ago. It was proved that that was part of someones opinion placed as an OPED somewhere on the net years ago. Turned out that the person who wrote it--was always anti-John Wayne and finally reformed and actually started liking Duke decades after his passing--when he watched and loved: The Shootist....That man later posted a retraction of his dislikes for Duke with one of the best articlesI ever read on him. The man admittedhow wrong he was for not liking Duke-not ever giving himany real chance either. I dont know the gents name but--he posted something on the John Wayne site years ago--making his retraction.

I read it in the book Okinawa by Robert Leckie, published in1996. I no longer have the book so I can't quote it or give the citation.

Wow, just google the question. Every hit I've seen says it is true and that it was originally reported by the award winning (Pulitzer?) William Manchester.

 

[Jimmyjones]

Our paths crossed in AK, he was up there filming North to Alaska when my parents were moving back down to the lower 48. I was too young at the time to remember.

My mom would ask "what would John Wayne think about what you just did ? " Grrrrrr.

Some of his characters inspired me.

 

[Ματθιας]

John Wayne was an American in everything he did. He had one of the most successful careers in the business and was loved by millions of Americans. He fought cancer for many years at the same time promoting American values. He may not have been a "WAR" hero but he was a true American.

John Wayne, true "American", is your theme...Define "American" and from from what perspective? Over the decades, what being an "American" means has changed and so have the values.

There are a number of people who fit the same description for doing/accomplishing the same things.

There's nothing heroic about pretending to be someone else on stage, tv or on the big screen.

How did Marion Robert Morrison feel about John Wayne?

 

[just jim]

John Wayne, true "American", is your theme...Define "American" and from from what perspective? Over the decades, what being an "American" means has changed and so have the values.

There are a number of people who fit the same description for doing/accomplishing the same things.

There's nothing heroic about pretending to be someone else on stage, tv or on the big screen.

How did Marion Robert Morrison feel about John Wayne?

Might look up what they gave him a Presidential medal for since you don't know what an American is The Duke had many names as he went through life, Morrison or Wayne it makes no difference.

 

[jag312]

William Windom, the actor, gave up his student deferment, dropped out of college, and enlisted in the Army. He was in the 82nd Airborne. He was dropped into France just before D-Day when he was 20. Later he was was in Operation Market Garden, and then the Battle of the Bulge. He fought the Germans right into Germany until VE Day.

He never bragged about his service. It was something that a patriotic American did to protect the American people. He didn't have to pretend to be a hero in his movies. He was one. He passed away in two years ago. We lost another great man from the Greatest Generation.

 

[Ματθιας]

Might look up what they gave him a Presidential medal for

He got it for being a famous actor and his contributions to American culture. Hollywood lobbied to get him that award. And he was awarded it posthumously. Why didn't he get it in life?

since you don't know what an American is

Who said I didn't know what an American is? I asked how it is defined - today's Americanism or the Americanism of decades past?

The Duke had many names as he went through life, Morrison or Wayne it makes no difference.

Morrison was a real person. John Wayne is a larger than life myth.

 

[just jim]

He got it for being a famous actor and his contributions to American culture. Hollywood lobbied to get him that award. And he was awarded it posthumously. Why didn't he get it in life?

Who said I didn't know what an American is? I asked how it is defined - today's Americanism or the Americanism of decades past?

Morrison was a real person. John Wayne is a larger than life myth.

Ask Barry/Barak about his other alias, Harrison J Bounel.

I like how you answer your own questions Just wonder if you comprehend what you are saying Man recognized after death for all he has done ie a hero.

 

[sheepdawg]

John Wayne has probably made the United States government more tax dollars than anyone reading this thread.

John Wayne continues to make the United States government millions of tax dollars per year even 35 years after his death.

You want a role model?????? Start with that right there.

 

[Engine 21]

John Wayne has probably made the United States government more tax dollars than anyone reading this thread.

John Wayne continues to make the United States government millions of tax dollars per year even 35 years after his death.

You want a role model?????? Start with that right there.

Bingo!

The America bashing and it's values (good or bad)really gets old.

This is who we are - not perfect by a long shot but better than a lot of others. Sometimes we are too loud and noisy. Sometimes too boisterous. Sometimes too pushy. Sometimes root for the wrong thing. But we do care about everyone else and in times of dire circumstances we will be there to help. We don't expect everyone to love us just respect us as we should respect everyone else. Whether it's John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, or other actors portraying different people in different roles of American life -they have value to inspire, to create, to emphasis American values and life of Americans. You don't have to like us but if you need help - who you gonna call?

Sorry for the hijack.

 

[Kanewpadle]

The problem is that we expect our role models to be perfect. Never happen. Kind of silly to bad mouth someone that doesn't live up to OUR expectations.

Before we pass judgement on someone else we should look at ourselves first. And until you look a man in the eyes, shake his hand firmly and talk to him, you don't squat about him.

 

[Ματθιας]

I like how you answer your own questions

I'm sure you do.

Just wonder if you comprehend what you are saying

I wonder about you, too.

Man recognized after death for all he has done ie a hero.

Again, what did he do that was "heroic?"

 

[Ματθιας]

John Wayne has probably made the United States government more tax dollars than anyone reading this thread.

John Wayne continues to make the United States government millions of tax dollars per year even 35 years after his death.

You want a role model?????? Start with that right there.

John Wayne is a role model because he generates tax money for the .gov!?

I prefer the role models of our forefathers who were tax cheats, bootleggers, defiant and generally hated government.

 

[the ringo kid]

I don't know of anything that forbid serving based on number of children. My guess is that Fonda could have had ten kids and still joined.

Here is what little I have read. Wayne got a 3-A family dependency deferment. A couple years later the military thought they might need more men and Wayne ended up reclassified as eligible 1-A. Republic Studios was involved getting him a second deferment, 2-A national interest. I also read that Republic had threatened to sue Wayne if he joined up. So the crosscurrents, motivations and real reasons why Wayne didn't serve.... who knows? Seemed like a pretty good actor to me. I'll let others slug-out the details.

Thats true too. Also, John Ford also used his influence in keeping Duke out. This stuff too-has been posted on thre sites I know of--both Duke sites and one started by a gent who has everything you would want to know about Duke--every radio spot--paper ad,etx etc. Anyway, he has an excelent site--but I cant recall the name off-hand?

 

[the ringo kid]

Robert Mitchum was drafted right after he stared in the Story of G.I. Joe.

That would have been at the earliest--late 44 or easrly 45. Add, Anthony Quinn to the non serving list--as far as I know of? and Quinn is an all-time favorit of mine. I know Charlton Heston served--came out a Sergeant--WWII or slightly post war service.

 

[the ringo kid]

I dont see anyone complaining that Erroll Flynn, Robert Mitchum, Burgess Meredith and others--didnt serve--even though they all too-made many war movies.

Robert Mitchum did serve...PFC in the pacific went there in April...Isn't he the one that got shot in the butt? or am I thinking of George Kennedy?


WuzzFuzz[/QUOTE]

It was Lee Marvin who got shot in the Ashcan. )

 

[the ringo kid]

I don't know about all the other stuff but picture this. Think about the way John Wayne walked and then think about being a Drill Instructor in boot camp trying to teach Wayne to march!

CW

Heh heh--was funnny.

However,it was Paul Fix, who tought Duke how to walk--as well as how to fight. He also had help learning--from Yakima Canutt too.

 

[the ringo kid]

Lee Marvin was shot in the butt, also. USMC So. Pacific.

Beat me to it.