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Keep Shield or upgrade to Sig P365?
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As shown previously, I modded the Shield grip after owning it for some time and my shooting with it improved dramatically. Only the 2nd range day w/ the 365 but I have already been experimenting with building up the backstrap.
It is just friction tape and a bike tube wrapped over it. Once I've built it up just the way I like it, I can replace it with talon grips for a more "finished" or permanent look.
I haven't shot it without anything over the grip because the bottom of it cuts into my palm. That's my complaint vs the Shield, but with that said the Shield has a larger grip. Shootability vs concealability.
It is just friction tape and a bike tube wrapped over it. Once I've built it up just the way I like it, I can replace it with talon grips for a more "finished" or permanent look.
I haven't shot it without anything over the grip because the bottom of it cuts into my palm. That's my complaint vs the Shield, but with that said the Shield has a larger grip. Shootability vs concealability.
My Shield did not feel proper with either the 7 or 8 rd. mag so i put a Strike EMP on the 7 rd mags and now my Shield feels great in the Web of my palm.
I have med/small hands but the 365 even with a 12 rd. mag did/does not feel comfortable in the Web of my Palm.
So for me the 365 is to small for EDC but to big for a back-up!
Will i still get 1, i don't know could have had 1 for $499. butdid not get it.
Don't think all issues are fixed but its a New gun and sadly takes time to fix the bugs, just as the Shield had many issues when it came out!
I have med/small hands but the 365 even with a 12 rd. mag did/does not feel comfortable in the Web of my Palm.
So for me the 365 is to small for EDC but to big for a back-up!
Will i still get 1, i don't know could have had 1 for $499. butdid not get it.
Don't think all issues are fixed but its a New gun and sadly takes time to fix the bugs, just as the Shield had many issues when it came out!
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I too have had my 365 for a little more than a week. I’ve run about 750 rounds through it without any problems. I wear a size xxl gloves and and actually like the grip of the 365. I like that I feel like I ha e a more stable purchase on the gun. This coming from also owning a shield 2.0 and a Glock 43.
The shield has been my edc bc I like it more than the 43 and am more accurate Ruth the shield. I won’t say that the 365 outshoot the shield, but it’s on par with it. Both FOR ME shoot better than the 43, and I shoot the Glock 26 fantastic.
It’s an amazing package for size and round count. I like it a lot. It’s been my edc since putting 500 worry free rounds through. I’m not seeing any unusual wearing on the sig. this is my first sig, I own many smiths and glocks, but this is a sweet little package with a lot of rounds, especially for its size.
As to the mags, I love the 12 round for when shooting and doing drills but prefer the 10 round flush mag for carry.
Best of luck for those getting their hands on one and hope it too is worry free.
Rick
The shield has been my edc bc I like it more than the 43 and am more accurate Ruth the shield. I won’t say that the 365 outshoot the shield, but it’s on par with it. Both FOR ME shoot better than the 43, and I shoot the Glock 26 fantastic.
It’s an amazing package for size and round count. I like it a lot. It’s been my edc since putting 500 worry free rounds through. I’m not seeing any unusual wearing on the sig. this is my first sig, I own many smiths and glocks, but this is a sweet little package with a lot of rounds, especially for its size.
As to the mags, I love the 12 round for when shooting and doing drills but prefer the 10 round flush mag for carry.
Best of luck for those getting their hands on one and hope it too is worry free.
Rick
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This is one of those questions that must be answered by each individual, for whatever reasons seem more important to them.
Now, unless the new bill in committee (CA state) to repeal the state's Roster of handguns that can be sold somehow passes and is signed, this is a moot point for me. Since I no longer qualify for the peace officer exemption for buying guns not on the state's roster, I won't be buying one.
However, having been an unwitting Beta-tester for a new model pistol in the past, I've long since decided that I'd just as soon give any new pistol design at good year's successful production time before looking at it for myself.
Notwithstanding the Beat-tester concern, though, after many years of continually buying new pistols, justifying them as being used for off-duty and firearms training equipment, I've lost my zeal for buying new guns just because they appear to have some minor "advantage" or improved feature. I prefer them to have a significant advantage over what I already own ... or, at least be a "duplicate" of something I already own and have found to have a lot of merit for its intended role.
If the Shield 9's 7/8+1 mags and topped-up capacity is something someone considers to be a "significant disadvantage" compared to a 10+1 option? Hey, it's their money and their choice on how to spend it.
Whenever I've been asked the seemingly inevitable question about "capacity" by some of the people I've helped train over the years I've served as a LE firearms instructor, I usually respond with a question of how satisfied that person might be with their just demonstrated "results" during some training drill or qual scenario. In other words, were they satisfied they were as competent and skilled as they wished to be in getting those first 1-3 hits on a threat, or 2-6 hits spread among 2-3 threats (for the really "busy" scenarios that might have more than 2 recognizable threat targets).
If they acknowledge they aren't as comfortable with their skills-set and abilities as they wished, I ask them if they're hoping more ammo capacity will somehow "make up" for their unsatisfactory skill levels? (A "loaded" question, but not an impractical or irrelevant one, I think.)
Just because they may have the potential ability to shoot 2-3 more rounds before having to again load isn't exactly an "ideal substitute" to spending more time working on getting more skilled at getting those first 1-5 hits.
Now, there's nothing "wrong" with wanting "more" of something. I remember when Colt used to use the sales pitch that their Dick Special .38 snub had 20% more ammunition than the S&W Chiefs Special, because it held 6 rounds instead of 5. Some early 1911 aficionados seemed to flock to the idea of going from 7rd to 8rd mags (which wasn't always what they wanted after having feeding issues with some early 8rd designs).
One of the first things some eager Glock G43 buyers wanted was ... more rounds in their magazines. They wanted +1 & +2 extensions. They wanted a small, slim single stack gun to essentially have the mag capacity of a double stack. You just can't please some folks.
Now, me? Well, let's just say that if I were to return to active duty tomorrow, and could once again enjoy the peace officer exemption for buying off-roster guns ... I'd still wait another several months until SIG has put between 250,000-500,000 P365's out in the hands of shooters, and those shooters have had a chance to wring them out for a little while. Nowadays I prefer for others to be my eager Beat-testers,
Gotta suit yourself, though, It's your money. And if you're planning to carry it as an actual dedicated defensive carry weapon, it's your life.
Now, unless the new bill in committee (CA state) to repeal the state's Roster of handguns that can be sold somehow passes and is signed, this is a moot point for me. Since I no longer qualify for the peace officer exemption for buying guns not on the state's roster, I won't be buying one.
However, having been an unwitting Beta-tester for a new model pistol in the past, I've long since decided that I'd just as soon give any new pistol design at good year's successful production time before looking at it for myself.
Notwithstanding the Beat-tester concern, though, after many years of continually buying new pistols, justifying them as being used for off-duty and firearms training equipment, I've lost my zeal for buying new guns just because they appear to have some minor "advantage" or improved feature. I prefer them to have a significant advantage over what I already own ... or, at least be a "duplicate" of something I already own and have found to have a lot of merit for its intended role.
If the Shield 9's 7/8+1 mags and topped-up capacity is something someone considers to be a "significant disadvantage" compared to a 10+1 option? Hey, it's their money and their choice on how to spend it.
Whenever I've been asked the seemingly inevitable question about "capacity" by some of the people I've helped train over the years I've served as a LE firearms instructor, I usually respond with a question of how satisfied that person might be with their just demonstrated "results" during some training drill or qual scenario. In other words, were they satisfied they were as competent and skilled as they wished to be in getting those first 1-3 hits on a threat, or 2-6 hits spread among 2-3 threats (for the really "busy" scenarios that might have more than 2 recognizable threat targets).
If they acknowledge they aren't as comfortable with their skills-set and abilities as they wished, I ask them if they're hoping more ammo capacity will somehow "make up" for their unsatisfactory skill levels? (A "loaded" question, but not an impractical or irrelevant one, I think.)
Just because they may have the potential ability to shoot 2-3 more rounds before having to again load isn't exactly an "ideal substitute" to spending more time working on getting more skilled at getting those first 1-5 hits.
Now, there's nothing "wrong" with wanting "more" of something. I remember when Colt used to use the sales pitch that their Dick Special .38 snub had 20% more ammunition than the S&W Chiefs Special, because it held 6 rounds instead of 5. Some early 1911 aficionados seemed to flock to the idea of going from 7rd to 8rd mags (which wasn't always what they wanted after having feeding issues with some early 8rd designs).
One of the first things some eager Glock G43 buyers wanted was ... more rounds in their magazines. They wanted +1 & +2 extensions. They wanted a small, slim single stack gun to essentially have the mag capacity of a double stack. You just can't please some folks.
Now, me? Well, let's just say that if I were to return to active duty tomorrow, and could once again enjoy the peace officer exemption for buying off-roster guns ... I'd still wait another several months until SIG has put between 250,000-500,000 P365's out in the hands of shooters, and those shooters have had a chance to wring them out for a little while. Nowadays I prefer for others to be my eager Beat-testers,
Gotta suit yourself, though, It's your money. And if you're planning to carry it as an actual dedicated defensive carry weapon, it's your life.
That always been the issue with plastic pistols and only addressed rather recently, i.e. one size doesn't fit all. Even with Sig grip different size grip modules and other brands' exchangeable backstraps, there is still something missing. Oh for the days when we could special order wood grips to suit us!As shown previously, I modded the Shield grip after owning it for some time and my shooting with it improved dramatically. Only the 2nd range day w/ the 365 but I have already been experimenting with building up the backstrap.
It is just friction tape and a bike tube wrapped over it. Once I've built it up just the way I like it, I can replace it with talon grips for a more "finished" or permanent look.
I haven't shot it without anything over the grip because the bottom of it cuts into my palm. That's my complaint vs the Shield, but with that said the Shield has a larger grip. Shootability vs concealability.
This is exactly why I will not buy a handgun which I have not shot (rented/tried someone else's, etc) first.
Sometimes my LGS/Range gets a demo/rental unit from the Manufacturer right away, sometimes they wait for a trade-in. I can wait. My pockets have Nomex lining to keep my money from burning a hole in them.
Seems that 99% of all the reviews if the latest version of the 365 still has some issues like slide not locking open after last test. In the vid posted it did not lock back 2X out of 100 rounds.
In another new vid by TFB during 500 shots it did not lock back 3 X and also lately there have been about 6 reports of the firing pin breaking after 150 rounds.
After the vid i listed the guy did put adhesive grips on his gun to have more/better grip.
Thoughts on causes of slide not locking back on empty mag?
Weak mag springs, bad follower, weak slide stop spring or possibly even a prob with the RGRod .
Had similar issue with slide never locking back on a NIB APX 21 rd. mag due to weak spring and had to return 2 before i got a good 1 but on this mag its a known issue.
If they ever make a +2 mag extension for the 12 rd. mag and if issues ever get solved i may get 1???????
In another new vid by TFB during 500 shots it did not lock back 3 X and also lately there have been about 6 reports of the firing pin breaking after 150 rounds.
After the vid i listed the guy did put adhesive grips on his gun to have more/better grip.
Thoughts on causes of slide not locking back on empty mag?
Weak mag springs, bad follower, weak slide stop spring or possibly even a prob with the RGRod .
Had similar issue with slide never locking back on a NIB APX 21 rd. mag due to weak spring and had to return 2 before i got a good 1 but on this mag its a known issue.
If they ever make a +2 mag extension for the 12 rd. mag and if issues ever get solved i may get 1???????
I have been reading and watching the threads and reports on the 365 and here are my thoughts. I would not buy one until it has been out for at least 6 months without reports of issues.
I have not had a single failure from my Shield and have lots of confidence in it, especially for my CC weapon. With that said, a reliable, higher capacity and smaller CC weapon that my Shield....I will be interested down the road. However, I would be even more interested if it were a Shield version of the 365!
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I have not had a single failure from my Shield and have lots of confidence in it, especially for my CC weapon. With that said, a reliable, higher capacity and smaller CC weapon that my Shield....I will be interested down the road. However, I would be even more interested if it were a Shield version of the 365!
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There are a lot of videos on YouTube covering the P365. Some match Shield vs P369.
My lgs does not have any in stock but it sells for $499.00 when they get more in.
I will keep my Shield 9mm, but I have a 3904 with 4 stainless 8 round mags that has about 100 rounds through it I can sell for that price. (where the trigger guard meets the grip it has sharp edges and with big hands,it hurts to shoot it).
Like most post hear,I will wait a couple of months before I look at one. They have already made changes to the first production run. They upgraded to a top quality night sight and added 1 pound to the recoil spring for starters.
One major issue I have seen on YouTube is that it has very little space to rest your thumb if you use the standard 2 thumbs along the frame. I don’t,so it would not be a problem for me.
I have always liked Sigs so I will give it serious thought.
For now though I will still carry my 2” 38 Special with 2 speed strips.
Shoot often and be Safe!
My lgs does not have any in stock but it sells for $499.00 when they get more in.
I will keep my Shield 9mm, but I have a 3904 with 4 stainless 8 round mags that has about 100 rounds through it I can sell for that price. (where the trigger guard meets the grip it has sharp edges and with big hands,it hurts to shoot it).
Like most post hear,I will wait a couple of months before I look at one. They have already made changes to the first production run. They upgraded to a top quality night sight and added 1 pound to the recoil spring for starters.
One major issue I have seen on YouTube is that it has very little space to rest your thumb if you use the standard 2 thumbs along the frame. I don’t,so it would not be a problem for me.
I have always liked Sigs so I will give it serious thought.
For now though I will still carry my 2” 38 Special with 2 speed strips.
Shoot often and be Safe!
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My thoughts are that if the slide is not locking back that few times and not always, it very well might not be a mechanical problem. I went through this with my CM-9 when I first got it years ago and my thumb was the culprit. I've mentioned before that the current gripping technique with thumbs close to the slide might be a problem for some handguns.
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I have to agree with the post from Fastbolt. Whether the P 365 is an "upgrade" is a very personal decision. I had a Shield for starters and bought the gen2 version of the Sig with the new nightsights. After 4 trips to the range I've decided I hate the slim, almost round, grip and wasn't able to find a grip style that worked and allowed me to shoot up to my normal levels. I've ordered a Shield 2.0 and a friend wants the Sig. So from my perspective the Shield is an "upgrade".
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Wait for the 365 to become widely available. When the Shield first came out I bought one for $550. Two months later I sold it for $550. My 2nd Shield cost closer to $300. What’s the rush all you Early Adopters, it ain’t magical.
I'm not sold on the idea the P365 is that much of an upgrade. The grip is a bit small meaning shootability will be compromised. Unless you have really small mitts you're gonna have to consciously adjust your hold. But as long as you're good with that & Sig has worked out the kinks you should be ok.
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Wifey just shot her new 365. Out of 8 mags, slide didn't lock back 4 times for her. The last mag she shot was one of my two mags with which I have shot 450 through (at least 45 mags split between 2, and I didn't always fill them with 10).
Next time will load one and shoot. I don't think it's the mag or pistol.
Next time will load one and shoot. I don't think it's the mag or pistol.
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I got to try a 365 with a buddy out in the desert this morning. We traded pistols, he tried my Shield 45 and I tried his P365 9MM...
I felt myself that I didn't much care for the very small grip of the 365. It didn't naturally point very well for ME as compared with the Shield. As far as concealment there isn't much difference. As far as the round count the 365 for sure has a lot of of teeny-tiny bullets in that magazine. But, the .45 was more accurate and easier to shoot in my hands, as well as throwing a heavier projectile. I prefer the Shield.
My buddy agreed that he probably would get a Shield in .45 instead of the Sig but he THOUGHT that it would be much more snappy and harder to carry concealed. He should have tried one....
I like the Sig just fine. It's a very nice pistol with a very high capacity for such a small pistol. It functioned well, though I had a stoppage within a few rounds probably due to my grip on the little bugger ... I don't think it was a flaw in the pistol's design or anything, it's just that I think I'd have to get used to the grip and such.
I'll stick with the Shield 45. My favorite EDC of all time ....
I felt myself that I didn't much care for the very small grip of the 365. It didn't naturally point very well for ME as compared with the Shield. As far as concealment there isn't much difference. As far as the round count the 365 for sure has a lot of of teeny-tiny bullets in that magazine. But, the .45 was more accurate and easier to shoot in my hands, as well as throwing a heavier projectile. I prefer the Shield.
My buddy agreed that he probably would get a Shield in .45 instead of the Sig but he THOUGHT that it would be much more snappy and harder to carry concealed. He should have tried one....
I like the Sig just fine. It's a very nice pistol with a very high capacity for such a small pistol. It functioned well, though I had a stoppage within a few rounds probably due to my grip on the little bugger ... I don't think it was a flaw in the pistol's design or anything, it's just that I think I'd have to get used to the grip and such.
I'll stick with the Shield 45. My favorite EDC of all time ....
My local Academy managed to get 2 in-stock. $499, with night sights and two 10rd magazines.
GrabAGun has the 12rd magazines for $43/each. Ordered two myself.
The 365 fits very nicely in the Desantis Dual Carry II leather holster for the Glock 42.
Sig Sauer P365: Quick Look & Compare - YouTube
GrabAGun has the 12rd magazines for $43/each. Ordered two myself.
The 365 fits very nicely in the Desantis Dual Carry II leather holster for the Glock 42.
Sig Sauer P365: Quick Look & Compare - YouTube
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GrabAGun *has*? I signed up for alerts and they get sold within an hour or so. Just like the pistols
GrabAGun *has*? I signed up for alerts and they get sold within an hour or so. Just like the pistols
True. I'm also on the email chain for several pistols that typically sell within an hour of being in stock. Right place, right time I suppose. Picking them up at their storefront tomorrow.
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