BarbC
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Yes, it can be when shooting it a lot to gain proficiency.
So I rectified that problem with a Handall Jr. grip, cut down a bit to fit.
Kel-tec vs. LCP 380's
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Yes, it can be when shooting it a lot to gain proficiency.
So I rectified that problem with a Handall Jr. grip, cut down a bit to fit.
It is a really well made but a little odd looking. I only got to hold and fondle it for a bit at the gun shop. It is lighter than it looks. It is all metal and probably better made than all the others except the Seecamp which in 380 is nasty to shoot. The Micro Eagle lasted less than a day before someone bought it. I thought to long.
The NAA is a great 380 but a little heavy. almost a Seecamp in quality. And yes, I love mouse guns. Have my order in for the first Kahr that comes in. I'll pass on the Tauraus unless it is something really special.
Smitty500Mag
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I think people might have the early model Kel-Tec P-11 mixed up with the P-3AT on the drop firing. I believe the early P-11's and P-40's could fire if they hit directly on the end of the barrel.
I remember one of the members of the Kel-Tec forum building a stand for drop testing and putting a P-3AT in a PVC pipe with a 90 degree ell and capping it off and drop testing it many times where it would hit directly on the end of the gun barrel everytime to see if he could get it to drop fire and it never did. He dropped it a lot further than someone would be able to accidentally drop one out of their pocket. He put it up 10 or 12 feet and dropped it over and over again and it never fired.
I've carried mine for many years but I've never dropped it or any other gun for that matter. How many people here have ever dropped one of their children when they were babies? That's the way you should care for your gun to. I treat my gun as if my life depended on it.
Smitty
I remember one of the members of the Kel-Tec forum building a stand for drop testing and putting a P-3AT in a PVC pipe with a 90 degree ell and capping it off and drop testing it many times where it would hit directly on the end of the gun barrel everytime to see if he could get it to drop fire and it never did. He dropped it a lot further than someone would be able to accidentally drop one out of their pocket. He put it up 10 or 12 feet and dropped it over and over again and it never fired.
I've carried mine for many years but I've never dropped it or any other gun for that matter. How many people here have ever dropped one of their children when they were babies? That's the way you should care for your gun to. I treat my gun as if my life depended on it.
Smitty
Several months ago I got the notion to purchase an LCP, anticipating months of hot Texas weather ahead. To this day, I've never seen an LCP. So instead I got a P-3AT.
No regrets.
I've fired Buffalo Bore hardcast, Remington UMC FMJ, Remington JHP, Winchester WB flat nose FMJ, Hornady JHP, and Magtech LRN through it without a single hiccup. Seems to be extremely reliable.
But it isn't a firearm I'd ever develop an attachement to. It's like an inexpensive but very useful tool. Well suited to its role.
No regrets.
I've fired Buffalo Bore hardcast, Remington UMC FMJ, Remington JHP, Winchester WB flat nose FMJ, Hornady JHP, and Magtech LRN through it without a single hiccup. Seems to be extremely reliable.
But it isn't a firearm I'd ever develop an attachement to. It's like an inexpensive but very useful tool. Well suited to its role.
Haku
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I have the Kel Tec P3AT, the Ruger LCP, and the Beretta TomCat .32. I picked up the LCP at a local pawn shop NIB for $289.00. That was a good buy. I like the Kel Tec the best and carry it always. I just got the LCP it seems like a great auto but I don't have extra mags for it yet. The TomCat is a heavy brick with that stainless blowback slide, but a good pistol.
dlstewart01
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I nave never owned a Kel-Tec but have been wanting a Ruger LCP for a while. There were none to be found aroung here. Got up early this morning and went to the Nashville gun show. Got there in time to get in line close to the front. There were two Ruger LCPs there. One was already sold, the other went home with me, YAAA
I havnt fired it yet but it looks very well made. I just ordered 3 extra magazines from Ruger. The gun show was better then normal as well.
Have a good one,
Don
Have a good one,
Don
rwschill
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Is the new Sig 238 380 a good choice for CCW? I have a Kel Tec 380 which is fine and no issues but always looking at new guns.
38-44HD45
Absent Comrade
The new P238 is a nearly direct duplicate of the old Colt Mustang Pocketlite, but with good sights and aluminum grip panels. I will be buying at least one.
FWIW, I have 3 P3ATs and two Mustang Pocketlites already.
FWIW, I have 3 P3ATs and two Mustang Pocketlites already.
Just purchased my lil' elsiepea. I have not had a chance to fire it yet. I also have a CZ-83 in 380, but it's much heavier/larger than the LCP. I wanted the LCP for summer carry. The CZ is ultra reliable and I'll carry it when I can.
If I can carry anything I like, it'll be the 629. I trust it when I'm off the beaten path camping and such. I know it'll take down anything in front of it and is accurate enough to hit water filled milk jugs at 100 yards (not everytime, but enough to make me happy.) I like the 4" 586-7 also with the surprise 7th round. I've taken prairie dogs up to 50 yards away with it.
I should have the CCW back from Colorado on April 13th. They take the exact 90 days authorized.
If I can carry anything I like, it'll be the 629. I trust it when I'm off the beaten path camping and such. I know it'll take down anything in front of it and is accurate enough to hit water filled milk jugs at 100 yards (not everytime, but enough to make me happy.) I like the 4" 586-7 also with the surprise 7th round. I've taken prairie dogs up to 50 yards away with it.
I should have the CCW back from Colorado on April 13th. They take the exact 90 days authorized.
I have the first gen 3AT, the second gen 3AT and the Ruger LCP.
In my opinion the Second Generation 3AT is a little better than the Ruger LCP. I think the trigger pull is better and I think the front sight is better. They are near clones to each other.
I have discovered what looks to be a hair line crack in the feed ramp of my Ruger LCP. Plus it is ejecting the magazine when I fire the pistol. And the pin that retains the slide started to back out. I am going to call or e-mail Ruger today. It is just back from the recall.
In my opinion the Second Generation 3AT is a little better than the Ruger LCP. I think the trigger pull is better and I think the front sight is better. They are near clones to each other.
I have discovered what looks to be a hair line crack in the feed ramp of my Ruger LCP. Plus it is ejecting the magazine when I fire the pistol. And the pin that retains the slide started to back out. I am going to call or e-mail Ruger today. It is just back from the recall.
I just got an ElsiePea the other day as a summer carry anywhere, or a BUG for my CS40. Love it, I think the quality is better than the KT but that's based on fit and finish as much as anything. I was actually looking for a KT PF9 but really hard to get here, got one sold out from under me, but after getting the Elsie I am glad I did. First time at the range I was amazed at how well it shot, and it's so small and light you can carry anytime easy peasy. I've got an ArmaLaser on the way for it, looking forward to trying it with that.
animalmother
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I'll take the Ruger over the Kel-Tec. There is nothing wrong with the Kel-Tecs, but I own a lot of Rugers and simply like / trust the more established company (Ruger).
animalmother
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Has anyone actual held or shot one of the Kahr 380s?
Erich
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And let's don't forget the forthcoming Taurus micro .380!
38-44HD45
Absent Comrade
Oh, let's do...
flop-shank
US Veteran
+1. I will never buy another Taurus. Their QC sucks and their customer service is next to nonexistent.Originally posted by 38-44HD45:
Oh, let's do...
Haku
Member
Don't forget about the new Kahr P380
Mediumbore
Member
So I am not the only one experiencing this problem! Don't bother emailing, they just suggest you call. I called and spoke to a nice lady who sent me a UPS label for overnight return for service. The other issue is a blown casing. My local shop was of the opinion it fired out of battery, but I'm reserving judgement until it has been evaluated in the factory. So far this is my first experience with Ruger's Service Dept., we'll see how it goes.
bluesman99
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I just got a P3AT and It has fed around 50 rounds of WWB .380 though it without a jam. It is plenty accurate at 5-7 yards also. I have to say that this gun hurts my hand to shoot more than any other handgun I own. The skinny grip that makes it so easy for pocket carry coupled with the little nibs on the grip just plain hurts. I ordered a rubber grip for it in hopes it will help.
reerc
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The Ruger has a better fit 'n finish than the KelTec, but based on just a couple of posters here who have apparently had bad experiences with their "Elsie Pea"s (cute, I like that) I guess I'll be happy with the P3AT. I do wish it had a slide lock-back, though.
flop-shank
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Bluesman, feel free to disagree, but based on this post and your last one in the holster thread you started, I think, unless you have a physical infirmity like arthritis, you need to push yourself a little in the area of recoil tolerance. I only consider myself naturally average in that area, but have developed the ability to deal with far more recoil than I once did through weekly practice. Frequent (as in at least weekly) sessions of twenty to thirty rounds (and in the J frame only a couple cylinders need to be full power) will give you the ability to fire a gun like the P3AT and a Smith Airweight in relative comfort. Small guns like that push the envelope of comfort by their very nature and a big part of training with them is developing the ability to ignore their snappy nature. After several months and a good thousand rounds you will likely not be bothered by these two lightweights. Be patient and give it time.
reerc
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I knew that the lockback was manual, I just like that feature, personal preference. You've got me beat by a few months I think though, My P3AT has only been flawless for about a year and a half, give or take.
Norton 750
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I won a Ruger at a Friends of the NRA event. Its flat enough, and reliable with ball ammo and silver tips, the only .380 I had in stock and its tough to resupply right now! It replaced my Baby Browning .25 as my swimsuit gun, but I can't imagine what other situations I would be in, clothing wise, that would not allow me to carry something with more moxie.
ldubu
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I have LCP and kel-tec I think the ruger is a better built gun fits hand better, both shoot the same I perfer my PPk for the 380 carry but it's quite heavy. I put the kel-tec in my wife's car leave the ruger in my truck.I carry a XD40 subcompact.
Are you sure about that? The .380 version of the Colt Pocket Hammerless Pistol was introduced in 1908.
Thought I'd post this over here too. This is a photo of the last polymer mousegun that I'll ever own:
Note the blown out grip bottom and the destroyed spring and follower in the mag. The two remaining rounds in the mag had their bullets seated well down in their casings.
Note the blown out grip bottom and the destroyed spring and follower in the mag. The two remaining rounds in the mag had their bullets seated well down in their casings.
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