foxeye
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Sen Bauchus has a bill in the works to control all components of reloading as well as commercially available ammo. This is according to the Washington Post.
Knew it was coming sooner or later ammo control
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Dezfan
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Shall not infringe!
Is it really that difficult for these idiots to understand?
Is it really that difficult for these idiots to understand?
sipowicz
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Yes, because as we all know, criminals are big into reloading.
beaverislander
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Helps the bottom line.
if you can't control the guns then control the ammo ...
CORRECTION:
If you can't control criminals, control law-abiding citizens. If the laws don't work or aren't enforced, pass more restrictive laws that further infringe on the civil (gun) rights of law-abiding citizens.
If you still can't get your political way, then seek common sense legal solutuions to impossibly difficult problems requiring unacceptable, politically incorrect decisions -- pass laws that make gun owners criminals because they own "unregistered guns" and don't want to register their firearms because of history's lessons.
CORRECTION:
If you can't control criminals, control law-abiding citizens. If the laws don't work or aren't enforced, pass more restrictive laws that further infringe on the civil (gun) rights of law-abiding citizens.
If you still can't get your political way, then seek common sense legal solutuions to impossibly difficult problems requiring unacceptable, politically incorrect decisions -- pass laws that make gun owners criminals because they own "unregistered guns" and don't want to register their firearms because of history's lessons.
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BigCityChief
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In my home state of New York, under current law, all in-state ammo purchases will require a NICS check as of Jan. 15, 2014.
And since it will cost as much for a check to buy 1 box as 1000, people will start buying in large quanitys. This will of course alarm the political class who will fear wild eyed knuckle dragging gun nuts are stocking up to revolt. And then naturaly they will want to pass laws restricting the amount of ammo you can buy at one time.
Face it. They just don't feel safe with us being armed. It scares them not being totaly in control of the serfs. (us) If we'd just shut up do as we're told we'd be so much better off. And no doubt happier. They may not be able to forbid us arms. (yet) But they can make it as difficult as possible.
goldenlight
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Since when does a NICS check cost anybody anything?? It's a phone call, usually only a few minutes. No fee.
There is a recent thread on this. It cost the FFL or dealer $5.00 (here in FL, FDLE) the FFL gets a separate bill from the FEDS for every phone call. So yes it costs. Many folks go to buy a gun and get denied. They still have to pay the $5 fee
It's been obvious
It's been obvious for some time that the gun grabbers have many ways to restrict the owning and shooting of firearms and that they will use them because every little bit of ground they gain will make it harder or more expensive for us to maintain our shooting activities. This is what they call 'sensible gun controls'. There ain't no such thing.
It's been obvious for some time that the gun grabbers have many ways to restrict the owning and shooting of firearms and that they will use them because every little bit of ground they gain will make it harder or more expensive for us to maintain our shooting activities. This is what they call 'sensible gun controls'. There ain't no such thing.
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If Obama doesn't get a gun control bill he is going to start issuing executive orders.
baldeagle8888
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IF this is true, it just re-enforces my belief that we may have won A battle, but the war is still in doubt.
I know many of the posters realize this but there are some that must think the war has been won. I'm affraid that we will need to be very on guard from now on as ANY incident, will be a ruse to come back to all the previous issues. Words from both Reid and Obama confirm this.
In addition, something along these lines with ammo surely will only make the current ammo shortage continue or even get worst.
baldeagle8888
I know many of the posters realize this but there are some that must think the war has been won. I'm affraid that we will need to be very on guard from now on as ANY incident, will be a ruse to come back to all the previous issues. Words from both Reid and Obama confirm this.
In addition, something along these lines with ammo surely will only make the current ammo shortage continue or even get worst.
baldeagle8888
Does anyone expect this bill to do any better than the background check bill? Do any of the Democrat Senators up for re election next year think that their constituents are going to like them voting for a bill like this?
Does anyone think that the House will take up a bill like this, even if it passes the Senate?
Ammunition control is a restriction on the Second Amendment just as control of firearms is.
Does anyone think that the House will take up a bill like this, even if it passes the Senate?
Ammunition control is a restriction on the Second Amendment just as control of firearms is.
Yes I do. They are not going to tuck in their tails and just go away. As the Pres said this is just the first round. He did not get what he wanted (despite how the vote went) and he cited the reason that those who favor guns are better organized and better financed
I thought that was how Politicians won?He is going to get his way some how, don't not if he can pull another executive order but it is not over my any means.
SW_shooter
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Seems there was an article bout this some time back. The ammo manufacturers made it known that instituting some sort of marking ammo with s/n or some tracking ID number would be cost prohibitive for them. So what kind of control are they proposing? Making people register to buy ammo, get licensed to buy ammo? Extra tax on ammo? Lets see the degree to which they want to control it before we go off half cocked!
The do not need to go as high tech as tracking markers. Just background checks on all reloading components and ammunition.
We had to register All ammo buys for ammo back when the 68 gun control act was enacted. It soon went away in the early 70's. I do not see this going anywhere. I think it is more of another ploy to make ammo buying harder for us with all the hording.
Now Obama with a worthless execative order will do something. But that will be short lived with unfair commerce suits. It won't end until he declares himself dictator or he is out of office.
John
Now Obama with a worthless execative order will do something. But that will be short lived with unfair commerce suits. It won't end until he declares himself dictator or he is out of office.
John
I have been saying that all along. There is no way anyone is going to pull all 200,000,000+ guns away from the public but make ammo unavailable either by taxing it into non-existence or tying up the manufacturers of ammo and components with huge government contracts. No ammo and in a decade you would have 200 million interesting paper weights. No need to break the bank just make them useless.
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As usual, Sip is either right or funny.
Come now, do you really think the president thought he could get a gun control bill to go through the house of representatives. So what was that all about? Parading those poor Sandy Hook family's out and waving the bloody shirt. Was it really to get a Universal Backgrounds Check Law? I contend that he never hoped to actually get a new law. What he wanted was to get a bill past the senate so it could be sent down to the house where it would surely be defeated. That defeat would be used as political ammo against the "heartless" republicans in the mid term elections. What Mr. President didn't plan on was Harry Reid not delivering the Senate as he was supposed to. That is why Mr. Obama had such a temper tantrum yesterday blaming the failure of the measure on a few gun nuts intimidating his poor senators while 90% of the public wanted the law. If 90% wanted it it would already be law but the truth is more than 90% think that gun control is not the answer and fewer than 10% believe gun violence is a problem in the general population. Despite what you hear on the news the American public isn't as dumb as the anti gunners portray.
What a shameless display and shameless abuse of grieving people when you know the outcome is not going to be what they are hoping for, just to gain a political advantage 18 months in the future.
As far as I know the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms has only been upheld in court for the actual arms. Their next ploy could be to try and control the ammo. Although most sane people know that you can't keep and bear arms without ammo. I wouldn't put it past the Lib-tards to try the back door method of gun control through ammo control.
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Yeah I find nothing either. Unless someone comes up with evidence, it's nothing but hearsay.
wheelgun28
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Someone needs to send their congressman a dictionary.
Its the right to KEEP and bear arms
As this was explained to me by someone smarter than I.
Keep in this case does not mean hold on to or posess. The word bear covers possession in this case.
Keep means to have the parts needed to use an item, or a state of readiness.
The founding fathers were smart guys
Its the right to KEEP and bear arms
As this was explained to me by someone smarter than I.
Keep in this case does not mean hold on to or posess. The word bear covers possession in this case.
Keep means to have the parts needed to use an item, or a state of readiness.
The founding fathers were smart guys
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