Leaving a shooting scene under LEO guard!!

[BAM-BAM]

If told to put your hands up & make no sudden moves, I'd go with that, as best you can. Going into a pocket for your CCL BEFORE you are told to do so,

I'd come out of the building with it in hand....... have it out and in hand ASAP if I'm carrying....... unless that hand has my 3913 in it... then it's gun in holster.... exposed ID/ Licence!


Come to think about it; my gun is behind my right hip ...... wallet left rear pocket..... I can do both at once;........ and still chew gum!

 

[rwsmith]

I hope that TELL me....

I hope they tell me to get on the ground and I will instantly comply. If they slam me like they do some people it's going to hurt. A LOT.

 

[Weimar]

If you watch the people exiting, you will see some with their hands down. It gets tiring, they are frightened, etc. Its any sudden moves that will get their attention. So, hold your hands up and or away from your body, so you don't stand out, you don't look like a bad guy. When asked or if required by law, then inform. I would at earliest time, but too soon and they'll march you out much more aggressively.
That is one of the issues I have with teachers carrying, 1st responders are told, "person with a gun" and they come around the corner and the teacher is carrying, looking for the bad guy. Cops see a bad guy with a gun. Proper training of a teacher or CCW person is to protect in place with students and then wait for police to respond. If in that situation, I would inform police I was there as security for the students, and I was armed.
If exiting and you have some health issues, just do what they say and move slow. If you move slow and lay down, arms outstretched you should be fine, although there have been cases that police don't respond (I am thinking of the hotel where the police officer is screaming at the guy, move, don't move, move and then they shot him... BUT, the vast majority (vast) of police will keep calm, if you are calm or as best as you can be.

Ed

 

[dben002]

I think the point, as I see it, is:

First;you are not just going to keep walking, eventually you will most likely have to interact with the Police........what happens if they instruct you to "pull your covering garment up and turn around" or pull it away from your body. In the Fla. incident students were instructed to drop their back-packs , while covered by Officers with ARs, before proceeding ......

2nd in my case, a lot of the year I wear an open front ''Shirt", LL Bean flannel lined in Spring and Fall or "fishing style" shirt (Summer) over a t-shirt..... if it's windy I won't be able to button or use my elbows to lock the shirt to my side.

Same response in all situations...same as a traffic stop or any other encounter with LEO....."Officer by law I am informing you that I have a handgun on my person and a license to carry it"....then do as the officer instructs.......

 

[Weimar]

I'd come out of the building with it in hand....... have it out and in hand ASAP if I'm carrying....... unless that hand has my 3913 in it... then it's gun in holster.... exposed ID/ Licence!

Come to think about it; my gun is behind my right hip ...... wallet left rear pocket..... I can do both at once;........ and still chew gum!

oh jesus no. Don't reach for anything until told to do so. Trying to pull out your wallet as the officer comes around the corner, they just see you reaching for something behind you!

And having ANYTHING already clutched in your hand and then shoving it out for them to see, is again bad
Do nothing until told or asked and then do it slow

 

[.455_Hunter]

Even in a "Gun Free Zone", simple possession of a weapon is not a permit to be shot by LEO.

 

[Ozark Marine]

Even in a "Gun Free Zone", simple possession of a weapon is not a permit to be shot by LEO.

Or manhandled to the ground.

 

[hoc9sw]

Or manhandled to the ground.

OK, the question of the moment and the later discussions of right/wrong are not relevant.

The question was what to expect, not how to sort it out in court or with investigators.

Expect to be treated as a potential unknown / danger until the officers know better.

DO NOT SAY "GUN". Firearm works fine in a discussion.

And if you get put to the ground and busted up in the process, sure, you may have rights in court, but once busted up, at least with my fragile cancer-ridden bones, I'll be hurting too badly to care about rights.

 

[BAM-BAM]

oh jesus no. Don't reach for anything until told to do so. Trying to pull out your wallet as the officer comes around the corner, they just see you reaching for something behind you!

And having ANYTHING already clutched in your hand and then shoving it out for them to see, is again bad
Do nothing until told or asked and then do it slow

Agree......... sorry not making myself clear.....if as you describe and it would be safe to do so..... no officers around...... holster my weapon (if I ever drew it) have my ID not my gun in hand.......looks like a bi-fold credentials case ..... hands over my head

heck you just might find me kneeling ankles crossed , hands on top of my head forehead against a wall....... remember I'm "stuck with a gun"; with nervous cops with ARs coming my way........ believe me I don't want any misunderstanding......

 

[CalmerThanYou]

No way am I exiting the building with the gun in my hand. Keep it holstered, and proceed to whatever safe zone is set up. It may then be or not be relevant to disclose your concealed carry firearm. Hands up as best you can as you exit, and under no circumstance am I touching or going near the gun.

 

[nachogrande]

Even in a "Gun Free Zone", simple possession of a weapon is not a permit to be shot by LEO.

OR slamming a senior to the ground.

YES, That aint right, BUT who said we live in a perfect world? Sometimes things just is what they is, & you have to deal with the way they ARE, not how they SHOULD BE.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Sometimes things just is what they is, & you have to deal with the way they ARE, not how they SHOULD BE.

So when the next school shooting is stopped by a student carrying his/her own "illegal" defensive weapon, they will be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom?

 

[KSDeputy]

I would put my badge on, prior to going out with my hands up.

 

[keith44spl]

I would put my badge on, prior to going out with my hands up.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^




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[TTSH]

... & DON'T TAZE ME BRO.

LOL!!!

I have a special problem. I'm old and fat, but with no *** (a sad family trait). If I put my hands up in the air too far or too fast, my pants fall down. Since I pocket carry, methinks I could end up in big trouble. Maybe I should start wearing suspenders.

Seriously, it's an interesting topic. Horrible situation, but an interesting topic. Hope I never find myself in that situation.

 

[rwsmith]

You mean that wearing....

If you watch the people exiting, you will see some with their hands down. It gets tiring, they are frightened, etc. Its any sudden moves that will get their attention. So, hold your hands up and or away from your body, so you don't stand out, you don't look like a bad guy. When asked or if required by law, then inform. I would at earliest time, but too soon and they'll march you out much more aggressively.
That is one of the issues I have with teachers carrying, 1st responders are told, "person with a gun" and they come around the corner and the teacher is carrying, looking for the bad guy. Cops see a bad guy with a gun. Proper training of a teacher or CCW person is to protect in place with students and then wait for police to respond. If in that situation, I would inform police I was there as security for the students, and I was armed.
If exiting and you have some health issues, just do what they say and move slow. If you move slow and lay down, arms outstretched you should be fine, although there have been cases that police don't respond (I am thinking of the hotel where the police officer is screaming at the guy, move, don't move, move and then they shot him... BUT, the vast majority (vast) of police will keep calm, if you are calm or as best as you can be.

Ed

You mean that wearing a bandana as a mask wouldn't be the right thing to do?

Heh heh, just kidding. That is good advice.

 

[WVgal]

Wow! What a conversation! We had a lawyer who represents the local PD at our monthly meeting last month. I believe it would depend on time and locale as to what you would have time to do. If we had the shooter down, we call shooter down, we then call 911 to let them know that the threat had been neutralized and explain what we were wearing.
This is a hot mess and you could be shot because you have a firearm and they are looking for a "bad guy" with a gun...you just happen to be a "good guy" with a gun. At this time they do not know that. Be safe, be careful! Do what they ask!! Do not let them get that 3913/3906/4566/.45 Shield! Oh, those are what I may have on me depending on the weather.

 

[nachogrande]

HUH???

So when the next school shooting is stopped by a student carrying his/her own "illegal" defensive weapon, they will be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom?

There was a first time? NOT getting your point, nor what is has to do with the OP. What do medals have to do with anything? Coming out alive & unhurt, would be fine.

 

[Dvan34]

What is posted above is a good explanation of what will most likely happen. LEO responders will be in a high alert frame of mind and doing anything other then instructed will be met with accordingly. One poster hinted that he may sue if he gets taken to the ground, might as well get his lawyer on retainer and expect nothing in return. A court will consider reasonable reaction from LEO based on the situation at hand in the attempt to safeguard the public while looking for perpetrators.

And don't expect any sympathy to be rendered to a CC at this point, regardless of your innocence. It just ain't done. Especially by the 'Drive Through Media"

 

[Dvan34]

Yesterday police arrested a student at a local high school in Imperial, CA, about 18 miles from me. They haven't released all the information yet. Apparently some one tipped the police and several guns, ammo and explosives were found. The 'copy cats' are falling all over themselves it appears.