Les Baer 1911's who knows them?

wow you guys really happen to know your Baers! I can say I may have found a good dealer that has quoted me a TRS with the upgraded accuracy option for $1950 and $1750 stock, IDK if I can beat that! I am really hoping I can get this sooner than later but it is till looking like october at the earliest.:(
 
I qualified for my ccw permit in semi auto with a Les Baer Custom and put 25 rounds in one hole you could cover with a quarter. It was the first time I had ever picked up the pistol. I'm very impressed with them.
 
You are buying a Quality 1911, maybe a once in a lifetime purchase. Why not get the 1 1/2" pistol? It is only money and the knowledge that the gun will shoot that good might help tighten your groups or at least rule out the gun. Buy It!
 
Les Baer.........already had his chance!!!!!!!

I owned a TRS and was so stoked to get it and it was a serious POS. Sorry to be so direct, but it is the Gods truth. Buy a Wilson Combat or a Nighthawk and save yourself some grief. The TRS had a catch in the safety and it was repaired. The bushing was wearing real bad on the top and top right and the gun shot 6" off at 15 yds. I called and spoke to Les and he said he would take care of it. I ordered and paid for 3 additional mags. and they were sloppy. They functioned, but would not hold the slide back on the last round. The guide rod was so sharp, it cut me twice. I paid for and ordered a nicer set of grips and the gun was returned with the guide rod plug not touched, a putrid looking set of grips, no barrel or bushing work done, the catch repaired, and shoddy mags. I called Les and within two minutes he was cursing and swearing that the gun shot dead on the money. Four other shooters besides me shot the gun with the same results. Three of them are good IPSC shooters. I told him I would sell it and buy a Wilson after his arrogant behavior. I did and am VERY HAPPY after three thousand rounds of flawless shooting and exceptional accuracy. SIR, this is only one bad report,,,,but I caution you about spending your hard-earned money on a Les Baer. JMHO!!!!!! Sprefix----Also, my Wilson Combat CQB shoots under an inch at 25yds. and didn't cost EXTRA....
 
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I have owned a Les Baer TRS .45 for a couple of years now. I also own about a dozen other 1911's (Colts, Kimbers, Sig, etc). Without a doubt, the Les Baer TRS is the finest 1911 that I own and shoot. It is way more accurate than I can shoot it. I can shoot one ragged hole with it at 15 yards.

I carry this Les Baer TRS on and off duty and it has been 100% reliable. You can buy a more expensive 1911 but I can't think of a better 1911 than the Les Baer TRS. Buy it and enjoy!!!!
 
I lucked out about 5 years ago and purchased my LBPII w/1 1/2" accuracy from a dealer friend who constantly buys new, top end guns to play with. He sold me the gun for cost, otherwise I would not have it.

It is an amazing gun to say the least. Very accurate, stone dead reliable and makes me look good when shooting with friends. It was practically new and very tight when I took possession of it. It had less than a couple boxes through it and was still so tight I found it hard to believe it had been fired. I believe that for the money Les Baer is the best. I have friends with Wilson and E. Brown guns that are very nice but not as accurate as my LB.

I'll probably never get rid of my pistol and would highly reccomend LB to anyone looking for a premium 1911 pistol. I also own Colt and Kimber 1911's and report from actual hands on experience that while the other two are perfectly fine, they cannot compare in any way to the LBPII.
 
Great pistols, but they may spoil you - that is what happened to me. Here is a TRS that works well and always puts a smile on my face:

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Had one of their Bullseye wadcutters. No 1.5" guarantee, but the test target measured .8" x 1.2". Tight as a drum and totally reliable. Not easy to rack the slide due to the tight fitting and the frame scope mount - had to cock the hammer back first. Despite this, I can't remember a single failure to feed, fire, or eject.
 
About a dozen years ago I got a 6" Premier II. I wanted a two-tone gun and also wanted the lower to be in stainless, with the slide blue, thinking at the time in terms of rust resistance for my sweaty paws, and decreased reflection/glare on the upper. As a result, Les told me he couldn't do the 1.5" guarantee, it had something to do with working with the stainless being a little less precise than carbon steel, but that it'd still be pretty good. It is. I've been very happy with the gun.
 
If you're worried about the 'grippiness' of the front frame checkering, try the Clark system; he turns up sharp spikes that guarantee an unchanging hold. If they were about 0.5mm longer, they'd draw blood. I'm very happy about the front grip he applied to my Series 70.
 
As a Baer owner (I have 3) I can tell you i would NOT buy one with out the 1.5" option. It is a confidence thing. They are not particularly tighter then my others, but it is more precise. I actually think my PII 45 is smoother but the 10mm 1.5" HWML locks up like a bank vault. Very precisely.

I am toying with a 1.5" 38 super HWML or HWML comanche but I have not really committed to anything.

Great guns. Lifetime investments.
 
wow you guys really happen to know your Baers! I can say I may have found a good dealer that has quoted me a TRS with the upgraded accuracy option for $1950 and $1750 stock, IDK if I can beat that! I am really hoping I can get this sooner than later but it is till looking like october at the earliest.:(

I guess my comment is that for these prices one can have a truly custom 1911 built by a master gunsmith who will stand behind his work forever.

In the coming weeks I will publish a detailed post that describes exactly what you DO NOT get when you lay out the better part of two grand (or more) for one of these production-line semi-custom guns.

I realize that this will not endear me to all the Baer owners out there, but I think it is high time that people know the difference. Believe it or not, just because it will shoot a 1-1/2 inch group at 50 yards does not mean it is built right.


Bullseye
 
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I once owned a Baer and only sold it because I bought the wrong one. wish I had bought the PII and I would still own it.

LBHWML was the most accurate gun I have ever owned but only sold it because it was not legal in the competition I shot.

I bought it to be different, but should have bought the PII.

anyway, if I were to buy a Baer again...PII- it will have a 1.5 option, no front serrations, single side safety and mild dehorn. No frills, just accurate and reliable.

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The test target LB provided with my 1.5" P2 in 38 Super is nothing short of amazing. It makes me wonder just how often they get a result that good.
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That's from a machine rest, 50 yards, 10 shots.
 
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...Believe it or not, just because it will shoot a 1-1/2 inch group at 50 yards does not mean it is built right.
Bullseye

Since I wrote my earlier posts in May, I purchased a second Les Baer gun (this one a 1.5-inch version) and have some additional comments myself, but I think I will wait to remark further until Bullseye 2620 puts his two-cents in.

In the meantime, before anyone rushes out to buy a 1.5-inch Les Baer, my advice would be to stand back a bit and do some more investigation. This was/is not just a simple matter of plopping down money and walking away happy. Wasn't in my case, anyway. :(

Of the two guns I have (my older, 3-inch version, and my new 1.5-inch version), I am far happier with the older gun. It's a story in the works. In the interest of fairness, I am not ready to make a final judgment just yet. Fire away, Bullseye 2620.
 
...if I were to buy a Baer again...PII- it will have a 1.5 option, no front serrations, single side safety and mild dehorn. No frills, just accurate and reliable.

SW CQB45, before you buy, standby and let's see what Bullseye 2620 says. I can give you some additional info/opinions off-board, if you would like it. The PII set up as you describe might suit you better without the extra expense of the 1.5-inch option.
 
Since I wrote my earlier posts in May, I purchased a second Les Baer gun (this one a 1.5-inch version) and have some additional comments myself, but I think I will wait to remark further until Bullseye 2620 puts his two-cents in.

In the meantime, before anyone rushes out to buy a 1.5-inch Les Baer, my advice would be to stand back a bit and do some more investigation. This was/is not just a simple matter of plopping down money and walking away happy. Wasn't in my case, anyway. :(

Of the two guns I have (my older, 3-inch version, and my new 1.5-inch version), I am far happier with the older gun. It's a story in the works. In the interest of fairness, I am not ready to make a final judgment just yet. Fire away, Bullseye 2620.


I'm still waiting to talk with a couple of very respected bullseye gunsmiths who know a lot more than I do to get the details, and hopefully, also get some illustrations. So, before I go on record definitively, I want to get that detailed information.

In the meantime, however. . .

There are a number of issues but, the short of it has to do with the way Baer achieves what they call "lock-up." A properly built 1911 will achieve lock-up at three contact points -- barrel to bushing, top barrel lugs to the recesses cut inside the top of the slide, and, at the barrel hood to slide and breech face contact points. The fit and geometry have to be just right or the gun won't cycle properly, even though you might not know it. (An early warning of this could be failures to eject caused by the slide cycling too rapidly and closing too soon, causing spent cases to get trapped in the ejection port.)

It is possible to achieve something resembling proper lock-up without proper three-point lock-up. For example, if the top barrel lugs to slide recesses fit is not quite right, you can "overcome" this by using a longer barrel link. This will jam the top barrel lugs into the recesses in the slide, and the so-called "lock-up" will feel right to the uninitiated. And, it will produce tight groups and appear to work well until the excessive stress and improper geometry peen and round off the sharp edges of the slide locking lug recesses and cause the bottom barrel lug to just shear off, leaving the gun really "locked up," totally unusable, and requiring a new slide-barrel assembly.

This may be pretty esoteric stuff, and may never be an issue for most shooters. But for bullseye shooters, who can easily put 50,000 rounds downrange in a year, it is most serious indeed. And of course, if the pistol is a defense weapon, the results of such a failure could be tragic.

I'll be back to y'all on this issue soon after I complete my consultations and can provide all of the details this serious issue deserves.


Bullseye
 
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The test target LB provided with my 1.5" P2 in 38 Super is nothing short of amazing. It makes me wonder just how often they get a result that good.
That's from a machine rest, 50 yards, 10 shots.

I've seen you post that target before - and it is impressive! I am more curious about what that gun will do in your hands. Have you shot any targets you could share with us - your "best effort" sort, not just run of the mill ones?

I believe Baer claims all the guns are shot by hand, by him (Les Baer), from a rest - not a machine rest. I may be mistaken about that. I have never really gotten a "No, a machine rest is not used" answer.

Either way, I can't imagine the man has time to shoot every single gun... :confused:
 
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