Lessons from a M 642, and this forum...

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I went to the local gun range yesterday afternoon and rented an airweight J-frame. I've been thinking that it should be my choice for a CCW, and I wanted to check one out in person. A few lessons from yesterday.

1) shooting one of those things is just too much darned fun. Some posts here say that airweight recoil is no big deal, some say it's so unpleasant that people avoid shooting them, so I was not sure what to expect. The range sold me a box of 158 grain SJHP, and after the first shot I was smiling, and I smiled through to the end of the box. Granted, they were not +P, but the recoil was NOT an issue at all. After the 50th round, my shooting hand basically felt like I'd been playing catch with a strong pitcher. That's it. From my point of view, recoil is not a problem with these guns.

2) I've made my choice for a defensive handgun. Now I just need to choose between the blued and non-blued frame, and I gotta find one of the things for a decent price.

3) range personnel, like gun salespeople, don't always know what they are talking about. I told the woman behind the counter that I wanted to rent an airweight j-frame, and she said with a smirk, "Oh, you want the Ladysmith," and she pulled the 642 off the wall. She had a large semi-auto in a waistband holster and her arms were bigger than my legs, so I chose not to argue with her.

4) range personnel don't like to clean guns. That poor 642 was so dirty. I was tempted to say, dudes, find me a bench and some Hoppe's and I'll clean every revolver in the joint. I hate a dirty gun. Seems lazy.

5) I need to thank this forum and Massad Ayoob. My first 5 shots were not pretty. I had a man-sized silhouette at 7 yards, and my group size could be measured in feet, not inches. I thought, OK, as long as every attacker facing me is as big as Andre the Giant, I'm good to go. Then I remembered that the .38 round is inherently very accurate, and that the Smith snubbies are as well engineered as any revolver ever made... and concluded that, of course, the problem was ME. I suddenly remembered Ayoob's advice (focus on the front site, let the target go fuzzy, roll the trigger) and experienced EXACTLY what he said I would, the marvelous sensation of watching a bullet hole appear in my target precisely where I had wanted it to. It is still remarkable to me that such a small change in my shooting process could make such a gigantic difference in my results. I went from being embarrassingly out of control, to putting nearly every shot exactly where it needed to go. Amazing. That advice literally saved me from deciding not to buy that kind of gun.

6) Those little guns ARE accurate. Once I settled down and remembered Ayoob's advice, I got a 3" group in the head of the target at 21 feet, at the point of aim, standing, with a two-handed hold. But, man, when shooting a snubby, you need to focus and pay attention. Let your mind wander just a bit, and your groups will wander, too.

7) Those little guns are well made. Even with the lightweight frame, the sense I got was that I was hanging onto a bulldog of a gun (I understand Charter Arms' choice of that name now), a compact, simple, feisty, and solid machine.

8) I need to practice. I shall buy one of those bodyguards within the next several days, and I'm going to spend some money on ammunition. Just 50 rounds made a huge difference in my skill, and I'm going to keep going. I want to know, if I ever have to pull that thing out (God forbid), that it will do what I need it to do.

Thanks to the folks in this forum - I've come a long way very quickly. I'm surprised how addictive this forum is, I spend a lot of time here, and I've learned a great deal.
 
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I think I can speak for the majority of us regulars by saying, "you're welcome".
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I'm glad your trip to the range went so well, and was so much fun.
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A goal of yours should be to make front sight focus so ingrained that you will do it automatically, and in any situation. Of course, that will come from practice. Jim Cirillo wrote about doing so in his first gunfight and things went quite well for him.
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I agree about dirty guns. Dirty guns (at the very least those that are kept as weapons) = slob.
 
Would that range have been Gilbert's in Springfield VA? Your description including the employee and the conditions of the rentals really fits.
 
Originally posted by dave-arlington-va:
Would that range have been Gilbert's in Springfield VA? Your description including the employee and the conditions of the rentals really fits.

Actually, no, it was Dominion Target here in Richmond. It's not a BAD range, though it has its quirks. I do wish it had some competition in Richmond, though. Lack of competition is just not good for a business.
 
I also enjoy my 642. I have a SW 645 auto as a carry gun but I seem to have my 642 with me most of the time. Like you, it took awhile to get accurate with it but I am lucky due to the fact that I live a half mile away from our outdoor range and I reload my own ammo, so you know pretty much where I am on a nice summer nights.
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Originally posted by BSkerj:
I also enjoy my 642. I have a SW 645 auto as a carry gun but I seem to have my 642 with me most of the time. Like you, it took awhile to get accurate with it but I am lucky due to the fact that I live a half mile away from our outdoor range and I reload my own ammo, so you know pretty much where I am on a nice summer nights.
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I'll tell you, though, the very cool thing for me was realizing that I had to get accurate with it - but IT was already THERE. I'll bet that if I had put that old range-rental in a ransom rest and pulled the trigger five times, I'd have gotten pretty much one big ragged hole at 21 feet.
 
I've got the black version, model 442. I love it! Been carrying it about 10 years- it's my "go everywhere gun". Sits comfortably in a Desantis Nemesis? pocket holster in my right front pants pocket and conceals well unless my pants pockets are too shallow.
 
They are a solid little machine, aren't they?
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I have owned two 442s for more than a few years now, and only replaced them when the 340PD came along. But the 442s are still in the safe and ready to be recalled, if need be. Eventually, I hope they will end up with my kids.

Good luck with your purchase. If you can't make up your mind, go with a black one (442). My 442s are the older versions in electroless nickel, but if I could not find one of those, I would want a black 442-1.
 
Originally posted by M29since14:
They are a solid little machine, aren't they?
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I have owned two 442s for more than a few years now, and only replaced them when the 340PD came along. But the 442s are still in the safe and ready to be recalled, if need be. Eventually, I hope they will end up with my kids.

Good luck with your purchase. If you can't make up your mind, go with a black one (442). My 442s are the older versions in electroless nickel, but if I could not find one of those, I would want a black 442-1.

I went with the black one. Some people call them ugly, but to me, it's the most efficient and beautiful revolver I've ever seen.
 
Tryed the full gamut of J,s from the 36 to the 340. M38,m37,and found the non-lock 642-1 to be the best for me. No hammer and D/A only combat shooting it performs. I find no need for S/A thumb cocking.
 
I miss my 642 with Spegel boot grips more than any other handgun I have owned, and that is a bunch. I carried the revolver in a Kramer pocket holster in one pocket of my shorts, and two Bianchi speed strips in the other or a watch pocket, and it was great all summer long. I may have to pick up another or an Airweight Bodyguard sometime real soon.
 
I really enjoy my 642. It was a gift from my son a couple of years ago and I carry it daily as a back-up. In warm weather it is most likely the gun I will carry in everyday T-shirt and jeans situations. My preferred primary gun is my 457 .45 acp, but only when I can put on a cover jacket or shirt. I carry the 642 in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster, loaded with Gold Dot - short barrel rounds.

Wasn't the 642 origionally designated as the Lady Smith? I think I read that somewhere.
 
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