Long 645 single action trigger pull
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If you are looking for advice concerning the long pull that ends at the abyss at the very back of the trigger guard, all I can say is get used to it. Unfortunately, that's the way they are built.
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I honestly have no idea what your trying to say?
Are you talking about the single action press or double action?
If your talking about the single action press it sounds like your coming completely off the trigger, allowing it to go all the way forward, then pressing it back through the PRE-TRAVEL to where the sear then breaks.
If so then that's the problem, you letting the trigger go ALL the way forward instead of controlling the reset. On my Smiths the reset in single action only requires about 3/16 or less of trigger travel forward. Once the trigger resets you can press it back.
Or are you talking about the double action press? If so nothing you can do about it.
Are you talking about the single action press or double action?
If your talking about the single action press it sounds like your coming completely off the trigger, allowing it to go all the way forward, then pressing it back through the PRE-TRAVEL to where the sear then breaks.
If so then that's the problem, you letting the trigger go ALL the way forward instead of controlling the reset. On my Smiths the reset in single action only requires about 3/16 or less of trigger travel forward. Once the trigger resets you can press it back.
Or are you talking about the double action press? If so nothing you can do about it.
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I don't know about the 645, but my 1006 is the same - I seem to shoot center low. It's definitely taking a while to get familiar with it. Love the gun, not the trigger.
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Again, most people coming from revolvers to DA/SA autos come all the way off the trigger between shots. That's how we shoot revolvers.
BUT that's the worst way to shoot DA/SA autos. Like I said the single action reset is fairly short, it only requires partial forward travel to reset.
What happens to most people, who are coming from revolvers, is they come completely off the trigger and then press like they're expecting another DA press, BUT its just pre-travel and they end up hammering the SA break.
This causes the low center hit.
Now before anyone brings up Robby Leatham yes I've seen his videos, met and spoken to him once or twice.
The issue is Robby is a freak, in a good way. He's a big man with big hands and can squeeze a Glock so hard he has to back off or the magazine will not eject. Anyway Robby says trigger reset does not matter. I'm saying for HIM it may not matter but my grip, and 99.999% of most people, is no where near his. He can hold a handgun rock steady and hammer the trigger faster then most people can see. BUT that's him, not 99.999% of shooters.
BUT that's the worst way to shoot DA/SA autos. Like I said the single action reset is fairly short, it only requires partial forward travel to reset.
What happens to most people, who are coming from revolvers, is they come completely off the trigger and then press like they're expecting another DA press, BUT its just pre-travel and they end up hammering the SA break.
This causes the low center hit.
Now before anyone brings up Robby Leatham yes I've seen his videos, met and spoken to him once or twice.
The issue is Robby is a freak, in a good way. He's a big man with big hands and can squeeze a Glock so hard he has to back off or the magazine will not eject. Anyway Robby says trigger reset does not matter. I'm saying for HIM it may not matter but my grip, and 99.999% of most people, is no where near his. He can hold a handgun rock steady and hammer the trigger faster then most people can see. BUT that's him, not 99.999% of shooters.
I agree with your analysis, but I've been carried a DA/SA P229 for 20+ years years as a my primary duty weapon and still carry it periodically in retirement. I don't have the same problem. I also never had trouble with the Beretta M9, 92 or 96 I carried. My 1006 is just taking a little longer to adjust to.
I do not see how the trigger in single action mode can even travel back to its rest position in double action. In single action mode, the rest position of the trigger should be 1/2 the distance from the back of the trigger guard as it is in double action mode.
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Your right, it does NOT travel all the way back to the DA reset/rest point.
It DOES however travel 2-3 further then it needs to reset. This, and people using DA revolver shooting technique, is one of the biggest challenges to shooting the DA/SA auto quickly and accurately.
I will respectfully disagree with some of the analysis here. Resetting the trigger works wonderfully at a measured pace. However, when one is going faster, the only way to start the subsequent trigger press is to release the trigger first. Releasing the trigger at a rate that allows for audible and tactile reset is fine at many speeds. But when one is moving the finger at the fastest speed they can muster, it is almost inevitable that they will release the trigger quickly and go past the reset point. I don't think Rob Leatham is a freak in this regard. He has simply engaged in enough analysis of the trigger manipulations that he understands the reset is not as critical as the movement to sear disengagement. This is just my experience and may not be anyone else's reality.
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I don't disagree with you. I DO believe, and I should have made it clear my apology, it's an apples to oranges comparison. Shooting on paper for group size and sighting in is NOT the same as hammering pairs at 15 feet.
Two totally different purposes and techniques. Robby is an ACTION SHOOTING champion. He gets two hits as fast as, in his case, inhumanly capable on a roughly man sized steel target.
That is not the same as making a real effort to wring out a gun, check the zero, or determine which brand of ammo a weapon likes or dislikes.
Two totally different purposes and techniques. Robby is an ACTION SHOOTING champion. He gets two hits as fast as, in his case, inhumanly capable on a roughly man sized steel target.
That is not the same as making a real effort to wring out a gun, check the zero, or determine which brand of ammo a weapon likes or dislikes.
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If I remember right the director was on the range with the actor who was suppose to play the part. The instructor, a high ranked IPSC master, was trying to explain how he thought the scene should go. Finally he just went hot and demonstrated what he was talking about. Right then and there the director fired the actor and casted the instructor.
If I remember right the director was on the range with the actor who was suppose to play the part. The instructor, a high ranked IPSC master, was trying to explain how he thought the scene should go. Finally he just went hot and demonstrated what he was talking about. Right then and there the director fired the actor and casted the instructor.
