Looking for a 6906 guide rod

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Hi guys...

I am putting together a 5906 SSV project and I need a 6906 guide rod. I can't find any in all the usual vendors...looking for a stainless steel one..

Can you please point me in the right direction?

Please PM me...

Thanks a lot

R


 
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You could probably cut a half inch off a 5906 guide rod using the cutting disk from a dremel. Other than that, Gunbroker and EBay have parts or parts kits from time to time.
 
The traditional staked-head 6906 guide rods are discontinued by S&W, and even if you locate one used there is a chance that the staked head has come loose anyways.

You're much better off cutting down the one-piece 4006CHP guide rod BMCM linked above, or if you don't feel comfortable doing that, have him make one for you from scratch. I had BMCM make me a 4506 guide rod and he does outstanding work.
 
3rd gen parts hard to get..reason got rid of mine so it wasn't a paper weight...i tried smith and their people to call...good luck 6906 nice gun

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Previous version...?

BMCM said:
Here's an option...You can order up one of these...
Smith & Wesson Recoil Spring Guide Assembly S&W 4003TSW 4006TSW

Assemble the upper onto the frame with that guiderod then mark the extra length that sticks out the front for a chop:cool:

Cheers
Bill
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Thanks Bill,

Do you know if a previous version of the same rod would fit?

There are some online and the price is quite good...

Thank you guys for all the help

R
 
You can also go with the 4566 length rod and shorten it as I described. This one will be about a half inch too long vs a quarter inch for the 4006 part. If you go to Midway and enter 902970000 in their search bar it'll pop up. Cheaper & in stock too:cool: But only two left, best not dawdle :eek:

I don't know what you are looking at online so can't say for sure, perhaps if you posted a link. In any event, I would lean strongly in favor of a single piece stainless steel guiderod over any of the earlier three part staked together units.

Cheers
Bill
 
Something is sketchy there... the part number he's listed is for a M457 or M457D but the pic looks to be a 102300000 which would go in a five inch gun like a M4506. Buying stuff on eBay is always a roll of the dice, you never truly know what the postman will deliver until you open the box:rolleyes: Might be worth the gamble and then again might not;) If that picture is accurate, that part is solid 400 series stainless so no problem shortening it to fit your 6906 upper assembly.

Cheers
Bill
 
Looking at that sellers "other items" he has a listing for 1076 side plates, so your thought about it being for five inch gun is probably right.

He has about 75 for sale, but before I buy a couple for potential future cut down, I wan to confirm that the diameter is compatible with the 39xx compact and 69xx guns.

BTW, here are the dimensions of the part per the listing,


  • Overall length including pin: 3.90"
  • Barrel length: 3.50"
  • Barrel Diameter: .290"
  • Flange Diameter: .400"
  • Flange Thickness: .055"
  • Pin Diameter: .175"
I can't vouch for the accuracy of those. If the barrel length is from actually measuring and not off of a spec sheet, that would seem to indicate that it's for the compact 3 1/2" guns.

I also have an unrelated question about construction of the guide rods. It's pretty obvious how the three piece rods are built, with the spring and plunger assembled into the end piece, which is then staked to the body of the rod.

What I can't figure out is how the spring and plunger were assembled into the one piece rod. Unless the plunger is some how built like a toggel bolt and expands after it's placed into the end of the rod and held in place by spring tension. Does anyone know.

BMCM said:
Something is sketchy there... the part number he's listed is for a M457 or M457D but the pic looks to be a 102300000 which would go in a five inch gun like a M4506. Buying stuff on eBay is always a roll of the dice, you never truly know what the postman will deliver until you open the box:rolleyes: Might be worth the gamble and then again might not;) If that picture is accurate, that part is solid 400 series stainless so no problem shortening it to fit your 6906 upper assembly.

Cheers
Bill
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The dimensions of the guide rods in question are compatible with 3rd Gen single-spring guide rods, so these should be good to go. I'll be ordering a few myself, since I usually use the 4566 one-piece guide rods to cut down for compact 3rd Gens like my 3913's.
 
GaryS said:
I also have an unrelated question about construction of the guide rods. It's pretty obvious how the three piece rods are built, with the spring and plunger assembled into the end piece, which is then staked to the body of the rod.

What I can't figure out is how the spring and plunger were assembled into the one piece rod. Unless the plunger is some how built like a toggel bolt and expands after it's placed into the end of the rod and held in place by spring tension. Does anyone know.
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Yes. I do.

It's not a toggle device, but friction.

Let me see if I can explain.

Inside the plunger recess in the guide rod is a spring whose outside diameter is smaller than the inside diameter of the recess.

The recess end of the plunger is turned down to a diameter slightly larger than the springs i.d.

The plunger is then inserted/twisted in to the spring and that is what keeps the plunger from falling off the spring.

The opposite end of the spring has the first couple of coils slightly expanded so that they are now slightly larger than the i.d. of the recess in the guide rod.

The spring and plunger are then inserted/twisted in to the guide rod recess where the interference between spring and guide rod and spring and plunger keeps everything together.

i hope this makes sense.

John
 
It does make sense. So, in theory at least putting the rod into a vice and grabbing ahold of the plunger with vice grips would allow one to pull the plunger out. Not that anyone in their right mind would do so.

The reason I asked is that Numrich has some guide rods minus spring and plunger for sale. The problem being of course that there really is no source for those two parts. They don't show up as separate parts in anything I've seen. Which also makes sense as I guess as there is probably some skill involved in assembling the whole thing.

JohnHL said:
Yes. I do.

It's not a toggle device, but friction.

Let me see if I can explain.

Inside the plunger recess in the guide rod is a spring whose outside diameter is smaller than the inside diameter of the recess.

The recess end of the plunger is turned down to a diameter slightly larger than the springs i.d.

The plunger is then inserted/twisted in to the spring and that is what keeps the plunger from falling off the spring.

The opposite end of the spring has the first couple of coils slightly expanded so that they are now slightly larger than the i.d. of the recess in the guide rod.

The spring and plunger are then inserted/twisted in to the guide rod recess where the interference between spring and guide rod and spring and plunger keeps everything together.

i hope this makes sense.

John
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GaryS said:
It does make sense. So, in theory at least putting the rod into a vice and grabbing ahold of the plunger with vice grips would allow one to pull the plunger out. Not that anyone in their right mind would do so.
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That is correct.

As a matter of fact, turn the plunger and spring in the same rotation as you installed it and the spring coils will tighten and become smaller in diameter and the spring will slip out.

The same holds true for the plunger end.
Hold the spting and turn the plunger in the with the same rotation as you installed it and the spring coils will expand releasing the plunger.

The reason I asked is that Numrich has some guide rods minus spring and plunger for sale. The problem being of course that there really is no source for those two parts. They don't show up as separate parts in anything I've seen. Which also makes sense as I guess as there is probably some skill involved in assembling the whole thing.
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Very little skill at all, really.

Twist the plunger in to the spring and twist the spring in to the guide rod.

Just like screwing in a screw.

Takes more time to type than to do.

John
 
A Bubble Off Plumb?

That would be me.

Don't care what, I wanna know.

Reverse engineering isn't my end game, but knowledge is and I probably have spent more money than necessary because a tidy item that once sat before yours truly faced a tormented old soul who then needed to see what and how it was made.

Insofar as the guide rod was concerned it wasn't that difficult to take apart nor was it impossible to put Ol' Humpty . . . um . . . er . . . wrong deal, that one.

I surmise the reader catches my drift, absent catchers mitt, face protector, plenty of simethicone (repeated squats tends to make one's bowels sing but if one doesn't like a particular umpire . . . but I digress. Or, perhaps it's regress. Oh, it's all so confusing at this age).

Later.
 
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