Art Doc
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Is the case still open? Somebody report it stolen?
Lost a fine model 58 to the ATF today.
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Art Doc
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Should have taken off the stocks before surrendering.
F224
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Electronic 4473's...
xfarfuldog
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About 4 years ago I had a 45 caliber Glock stolen in a burglary. Two years later a detective from the local police called to advise me it had been recovered at a crack house in Dayton. A joint FBI Dayton task force raid recovered it. The Glock was not used in a crime, it was just in the drug house. The local detective advised it would be awhile before I could recover it.
I waited over 3 years and got no further response. Last summer I went to the local PD, got the report and went to Dayton records. Records told me that they had turned the Glock over to the FBI after their case was finished. A DPD detective called me the next day and said he would check with the Feds. A day later the DPD guy called to say the case had been adjudicated. The Glock was turned over to the US Marshalls and destroyed.
I could not understand why the Marshalls office was involved in the destruction and not ATFE. The local PD took the gun off of LEADS and Dayton did not advise the FBI that it was stolen. The detective said I could file a complaint with their office. Being an ex LEO I would not do that. I was reimbursed by my insurance company less my deductible. But that model 21 was particularly sweet.
I waited over 3 years and got no further response. Last summer I went to the local PD, got the report and went to Dayton records. Records told me that they had turned the Glock over to the FBI after their case was finished. A DPD detective called me the next day and said he would check with the Feds. A day later the DPD guy called to say the case had been adjudicated. The Glock was turned over to the US Marshalls and destroyed.
I could not understand why the Marshalls office was involved in the destruction and not ATFE. The local PD took the gun off of LEADS and Dayton did not advise the FBI that it was stolen. The detective said I could file a complaint with their office. Being an ex LEO I would not do that. I was reimbursed by my insurance company less my deductible. But that model 21 was particularly sweet.
I am amazed that a gun from 60 years ago was even in the computer system. Here in Florida guns sold to gun shops and pawn shops are run through the local PD and they would come get it if it showed as stolen.
In Chicago bout 5 years or so ago, a gun or two were recovered after a couple street shootings and as it turned out, both were at an earlier time, recovered,inventoried and subsequently ordered for destruction by the court.
As it turned out,they were way more than two and my guess is that 58 may have been one of them
As it turned out,they were way more than two and my guess is that 58 may have been one of them
lamarw
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This is an enjoyable to read thread, although not enjoyable for the OP.
Nine years ago, I purchased a Marlin .17 HMR as a LE trade-in from a major distributor of LE firearms and equipment. I was called by the distributor approximately 3 months later requesting I return the firearm since the police department needed it back.
The rifle came with mounts for but no scope. I had purchased a scope and zeroed it in. I returned it minus mount and scope. I was able to replace it with a NIB Marlin Model 917V at no cost to me. The new rifle was a higher grade and far more expensive than the price I paid for the well used returned rifle. The mount and scope went on the new rifle. I have no idea why it was needed back, and this thread gives me some ideas.
I came out of it smelling like a very sweet rose.
Nine years ago, I purchased a Marlin .17 HMR as a LE trade-in from a major distributor of LE firearms and equipment. I was called by the distributor approximately 3 months later requesting I return the firearm since the police department needed it back.
The rifle came with mounts for but no scope. I had purchased a scope and zeroed it in. I returned it minus mount and scope. I was able to replace it with a NIB Marlin Model 917V at no cost to me. The new rifle was a higher grade and far more expensive than the price I paid for the well used returned rifle. The mount and scope went on the new rifle. I have no idea why it was needed back, and this thread gives me some ideas.
I came out of it smelling like a very sweet rose.
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Not buying this story. Sorry.
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ATF had jurisdiction because it went through a licensed dealer.
sigp220.45
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The Marshal’s Service is the federal agency in overall charge of forfeitures. Your Glock was probably turned over to them when the case was adjudicated and they did what they do. Its just another widget at that point.
Absalom
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To repeat what I said above: State law.
By your description, VA state police only run the Brady check, which is federal and checks only the buyer, not the specific gun.
But quite a few states have added their own background check requirements to the minimum, usually an NCIC check of the gun in addition to the NICS check on the person.
I got a call recently from the local Sheriffs Department questioning me about a handgun I had purchased from a Pawn Shop. I had since sold the gun. The deputy said the gun was stolen 5-6 years ago. The victim at that time could not locate the serial numbers of the guns that were stolen. When cleaning up a few months ago, he found the list he had made of all his serial numbers and contacted the Sheriffs Department which immediately posted them on NCIC and mine was a hit showing it had been bought and sold by a local Pawn Shop. The crook had confessed to the crime and the deputy said they didn't need the gun for evidence, but would like to have it just as icing on the cake. I could not remember the guys name I sold it to and was just told if I ever did remember to contact them, which would mean that they would take the gun, I would have to refund the money received and then go to the Pawn Shop and hope they would refund my money etc. The Pawn Shop would wind up being the one out of their money and that really wouldn't be fair since when they bought the gun, it had not been reported stolen. The only recourse for the Pawn Shop would be to file a judgement against the thief and of course would never see one dollar. The deputy said if I didn't remember, it really was not a problem since they had him and everybody involved was happy.
The gun was popped because the serial # was reported by the local gun store, as is common practice when the forms are filed electronically. The store purchased a collection of 4 old Smiths from a widow in an Oklahoma City suburb.
The victim of course, and the suspect are both deceased in this case. It is a cold case that has never been closed because the murder weapon was never found to match to the recovered bullet. When the serial # popped, the ATF notified Chicago authorities who then reactivated the cold case and submitted a request to the ATF to recover the gun for ballistic testing. The search started after the crime was commited, the suspect told investigators that he had sold the gun to a local dealer. The dealer then said that he sold it to another individual. That individual told investigators that it fell into a lake while out in a boat fishing. As I know now, that was a real fish story, because the gun doesn't look like it has spent the last 54 years, or even 54 minutes, in the water.
The ATF agent involved was a very nice and professional individual and was very sympathetic to my predicament. He felt bad about having to take a rare Smith away from me. We had a pleasant long talk about this and other things unrelated.
And to those concerned, I REMOVED AND KEPT THE STOCKS. I figure I can sell them and maybe recover a little compensation for "pain and suffering."
The victim of course, and the suspect are both deceased in this case. It is a cold case that has never been closed because the murder weapon was never found to match to the recovered bullet. When the serial # popped, the ATF notified Chicago authorities who then reactivated the cold case and submitted a request to the ATF to recover the gun for ballistic testing. The search started after the crime was commited, the suspect told investigators that he had sold the gun to a local dealer. The dealer then said that he sold it to another individual. That individual told investigators that it fell into a lake while out in a boat fishing. As I know now, that was a real fish story, because the gun doesn't look like it has spent the last 54 years, or even 54 minutes, in the water.
The ATF agent involved was a very nice and professional individual and was very sympathetic to my predicament. He felt bad about having to take a rare Smith away from me. We had a pleasant long talk about this and other things unrelated.
And to those concerned, I REMOVED AND KEPT THE STOCKS. I figure I can sell them and maybe recover a little compensation for "pain and suffering."
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DVUS, thanks for the interesting posts and the all the details. At least you got a good story out of the whole thing.
It was mentioned earlier, but Chicago was a key term for me. They’ve had some police evidence show back up at the wrong places over the years. A cop on cop murder and missing evidence might get noticed, even if way past it’s prime.
The Feds also seem to really hammer them every few years or so, making some big show about fighting corruption. Frankly Chicagoland seems to have cleaned up its act - The last two Governors have not been indicted (yet). Blago, three Governors back, got Trump to commute his federal corruption sentence a few months ago.
It was mentioned earlier, but Chicago was a key term for me. They’ve had some police evidence show back up at the wrong places over the years. A cop on cop murder and missing evidence might get noticed, even if way past it’s prime.
The Feds also seem to really hammer them every few years or so, making some big show about fighting corruption. Frankly Chicagoland seems to have cleaned up its act - The last two Governors have not been indicted (yet). Blago, three Governors back, got Trump to commute his federal corruption sentence a few months ago.
hogblue
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And now you know the rest of the story, Paul Harvey, GOOD DAY!
Three times during my time working in the armory, I handled calls from different divisions vice units. The units called to check serial numbers on model 67s that were in hock at pawn shops. All three times the guns were issued service weapons. "City property. "
I had to laugh one time when the Sgt calling was advised, yes it's a city gun issued to so and so, his reply was " !!@! him this is the third time he has hocked his city gun. One guys defense was , that since he had bought his own beretta, he thought he could sell his old gun.
I had to laugh one time when the Sgt calling was advised, yes it's a city gun issued to so and so, his reply was " !!@! him this is the third time he has hocked his city gun. One guys defense was , that since he had bought his own beretta, he thought he could sell his old gun.
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The most amazing part to me is that the gun is an ex cop gun and it changed hands so many times over half a century and is still in such excellent condition. I was born a few years before that gun was and I wish I was in that good of shape.
Wyatt Burp
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Looks like we all must have concern for guns we bought or traded for years or decades ago. Included before 1968.
I bought a 4” square butt Model 34 Kit Gun in 1983 at a pawn shop for $189. Shot it for about a month until the store called and said it was stolen. They took it but gave me $450 store credit. I bought the 4 3/4” nickel Colt SAA .357 they had for that exact price. Traded it a little later for a 1958 7 1/2” nickel Colt SAA .45. I loved the Kit Gun but chose a Model 18 to replace it. A very wise choice, if I do say so myself. Still have it and the .45.
I bought a 4” square butt Model 34 Kit Gun in 1983 at a pawn shop for $189. Shot it for about a month until the store called and said it was stolen. They took it but gave me $450 store credit. I bought the 4 3/4” nickel Colt SAA .357 they had for that exact price. Traded it a little later for a 1958 7 1/2” nickel Colt SAA .45. I loved the Kit Gun but chose a Model 18 to replace it. A very wise choice, if I do say so myself. Still have it and the .45.
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