M&P 2.0 slide RELEASE

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Hey guys. On my shield i couldn't use the slide STOP as a slide RELEASE to save my life. Not that i need it, but coming from walther i was used to that. My 2.0 also was not able to release the slide in the beginning, but now i find it will with ease. Not to the point where a bump will release it but an intentional pull down with the thumb will release the slide.

My one question is... using this stop as a release, over time will it wear down where the stop engages the slide or damage the slide stop itself at all? I don't know the steels used in these guns or i would guess myself whether the stop would be further polished or on the flip side more worn. Just curious...
 
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Over time, using a stop release will always wear down the edge on any gun. Now, will it happen during your lifetime, I doubt it.
 
I've never used the slide lock lever to release the slide to chamber a round. I always sling shot the slide for that purpose. When I am cleaning, dry firing, or otherwise handling an empty pistol, I do pull back slightly on the slide and use the slide lock lever to release the slide and ease it into battery. I also drop the mag slightly when I do this, or remove the mag altogether if I am repeatedly dry firing.
 
Like SATX said, and I'll add, that if it does wear out I'm sure S&W will replace it free of charge like they do all other parts on their products.
 
My Walther manual says:

"Pull the slide fully to the rear and let go allowing it to move fully forward. "

So does my Shield manual.
 
Not a slide release..read manual..locks slide to rear...grab slide to release..

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You have several factors working against using the Slide Stop as a Release.
First, the RSA is very strong and puts a lot of force against the stop, making it tough to easily overcome.
Second, the Mag Follower is forcing the Slide Stop upward and it is under a lot of upward force from a very tight Mag Spring, making it difficult to press the Slide Stop, as well as the Follower itself downward.

After 6 Years of ownership, I can still not easily use the Stop as a Release with my shooting (right) thumb. Instead, what I need to do is reach up with my Support (left) thumb and pull it downward.
 
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You have several factors working against using the Slide Stop as a Release.
First, the RSA is very strong and puts a lot of force against the stop, making it tough to easily overcome.
Second, the Mag Follower is forcing the Slide Stop upward and it is under a lot of upward force from a very tight Mag Spring, making it difficult to press the Slide Stop, as well as the Follower itself downward.

After 6 Years of ownership, I can still not easily use the Stop as a Release with my shooting (right) thumb. Instead, what I need to do is reach up with my Support (left) thumb and pull it downward.
Maybe I'll make a quick video and post it. It's easy for me. If I try hard enough I guess I can do it on my shield, but it's definitely not efficient
 
Pardon my ignorance guys but I have a .380 Shield EZ. My first automatic and when I'm at the range ejecting the empty mag and putting a full mag into it the slide is locked as it should be. I take my right thumb and move the slide lock down and the slide snaps forward to shoot the next round. Am I doing it wrong?
 
JMO but you should NEVER use the slide stop as a slide release on the Shield or any gun unless it was designed to be used as both and you train with it ALOT. Using the slide stop to release the slide is A BAD idea.

To answer your last question,it will take some time to wear out the slide stop.

In a stressful situation or anytime,you need to be in the habit of using the slide for all functions! When the slide is locked back and released by pulling it all the way to the rear you get extra spring tension which will ensure a good bullet strip from the magazine.

Be SAFE and shoot often!
 
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My one question is... using this stop as a release, over time will it wear down where the stop engages the slide or damage the slide stop itself at all?

No, there will not be any damage. Yes, there will be some wear as the mating surfaces slide against each other. Usually this takes a long time, and if the releasing function becomes too slick, it is easily adjusted.

Slide stops are not difficult to understand. They work by tension and friction.

The tension is provided primarily by the recoil springs, which gradually wear over thousands of cycles. If an unloaded mag is in the gun the mag follower pushes the slide stop up under mag spring pressure adding tension. Mag springs also wear gradually after many cycles. Most people do not try to close a slide with an empty mag in the gun.

As well, the slide stop has its own spring that pushes the lever down to keep it disengaged. Finger pressure or a magazine follower will raise the lever, overcoming the minor tension of the stop spring.

Now, as to friction, the slide notch for the stop is machined with an angle and dimension that provide friction when mated with the differently machined surface of the stop. As most manufactured guns are first sold, these surfaces are rough and the stop will often actually have a sharp ridge on the mating surface. The factory will not bother to adjust the interface because it takes a little skill and time, which costs money. These standard machined surfaces often provide too much friction to use the stop lever as a release. Thus manufacturers say you should pull the slide back to eliminate friction and the slide stop will drop under its own spring tension. Then the slide will go forward under recoil spring tension.

This is the cheap and easy way to mass produce a gun and train the average person to always be able to release the slide stop. Follow the money.

If you buy a new custom semi-auto pistol, the slide stop will almost always be hand adjusted to lock the slide back and easily use the stop lever as a release. It is faster to do this because it requires much less movement than manually retracting the slide.

Polishing the mating surface of the slide stop, especially if it has a sharp machining ridge, will usually be enough to reduce friction and allow the use of the stop as a release. It will still lock the slide reliably. Wear of springs and mating surfaces over time may eventually get you to the same type of performance. Some new guns come from the factory with smooth enough mating surfaces, more by luck than intent, that you can use the stop as a release.

Conversely, if the friction is too slick, you can increase it simply by roughing up the stop lever mating surface with heavy grit wet/dry sandpaper, like 300 grit. Replacing worn recoil springs would probably produce the same result in an older used gun.

The point is, you can control how much friction you want and need to operate the slide stop as you desire.

Be aware, there are those who are slaves to the factory advice of always manually retracting the slide to get the lever to drop. They are usually very loud and adamant. Yet the professional competitors and experienced operators rarely use the manual method, although they train to be able to do it. There are numerous drawbacks (pun intended).

Having more than one way to close a slide is not a crime. Becoming proficient with a certain method and training to use another as backup is sensible. For the average dude doing average range shooting, which covers the majority of folks, retracting the slide per written factory instructions works well. But when speed really counts, it is a slow method that is not foolproof.

My stops are adjusted so they will auto-forward, the fastest way to close a slide on a newly inserted loaded mag. It works reliably for me. I use a finger release as my backup. However, knowing I may not be shooting one of my customized guns, I train for the over-the-top manual release also. No big deal.

Now you know enough to set your gun up the way you want to run it. Oh my!
 
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No, there will not be any damage. Yes, there will be some wear as the mating surfaces slide against each other. Usually this takes a long time, and if the releasing function becomes too slick, it is easily adjusted.

Slide stops are not difficult to understand. They work by tension and friction.

The tension is provided primarily by the recoil springs, which gradually wear over thousands of cycles. If an unloaded mag is in the gun the mag follower pushes the slide stop up under mag spring pressure adding tension. Slide springs also wear gradually after many cycles. Most people do not try to close a slide with an empty mag in the gun.

As well, the slide stop has its own spring that pushes the lever down to keep it disengaged. Finger pressure or a magazine follower will raise the lever, overcoming the minor tension of the stop spring.

Now, as to friction, the slide notch for the stop is machined with an angle and dimension that provide friction when mated with the differently machined surface of the stop. As most manufactured guns are first sold, these surfaces are rough and the stop will often actually have a sharp ridge on the mating surface. The factory will not bother to adjust the interface because it takes a little skill and time, which costs money. These standard machined surfaces often provide too much friction to use the stop lever as a release. Thus manufacturers say you should pull the slide back to eliminate friction and the slide stop will drop under its own spring tension. Then the slide will go forward under recoil spring tension.

This is the cheap and easy way to mass produce a gun and train the average person to always be able to release the slide stop. Follow the money.

If you buy a new custom semi-auto pistol, the slide stop will almost always be hand adjusted to lock the slide back and easily use the stop lever as a release. It is faster to do this because it requires much less movement than manually retracting the slide.

Polishing the mating surface of the slide stop, especially if it has a sharp machining ridge, will usually be enough to reduce friction and allow the use of the stop as a release. It will still lock the slide reliably. Wear of springs and mating surfaces over time may eventually get you to the same type of performance. Some new guns come from the factory with smooth enough mating surfaces, more by luck than intent, that you can use the stop as a release.

Conversely, if the friction is too slick, you can increase it simply by roughing up the stop lever mating surface with heavy grit wet/dry sandpaper, like 300 grit. Replacing worn recoil springs would probably produce the same result in an older used gun.

The point is, you can control how much friction you want and need to operate the slide stop as you desire.

Be aware, there are those who are slaves to the factory advice of always manually retracting the slide to get the lever to drop. They are usually very loud and adamant. Yet the professional competitors and experienced operators rarely use the manual method, although they train to be able to do it. There are numerous drawbacks (pun intended).

Having more than one way to close a slide is not a crime. Becoming proficient with a certain method and training to use another as backup is sensible. For the average dude doing average range shooting, which covers the majority of folks, retracting the slide per written factory instructions works well. But when speed really counts, it is a slow method that is not foolproof.

My stops are adjusted so they will auto-forward, the fastest way to close a slide on a newly inserted loaded mag. It works reliably for me. I use a finger release as my backup. However, knowing I may not be shooting one of my customized guns, I train for the over-the-top manual release also. No big deal.

Now you know enough to set your gun up the way you want to run it. Oh my!
Wow thank you. That was a good read. When I polished up some components in the trigger group before installing my Apex kit, I did polish the slide stop. The other day I was curious to see how easily it would shut with the stop and to my surprise it went smooth. I never thought about using it as a release because so many people on the forums repeat "it's not a slide release, it's a slide stop". I prefer the release method over the slingshot method but due to the above repeated statement I never really did it.
 
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