windviking
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Hey fanboy. My opinion will be stated as I wish. You can have yours too. So rude.hopefully, you will NEVER post on this S&W forum EVER as well
M&P SHIELD 0.40 CALIBER MAGAZINE DROP PROBLEM POLL
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windviking
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After thinking about this, I just want to say your comment pi$$ed me off. You do have you opinions ans I respect everyone's. I don't want to start a urinating contest because I see your in Fl and I am sure mine won't go that far!
Let me finish by saying I loved how my shield shot, when it would shoot. It was so frustrating seeing a great design suffer from what is obviously manufacturing quality problems. What really set me off is a recent thread I read where the factory said there were no real problems, yet said they had taken the experiences and made "improvements". I also noticed they are now replacing fames on some 40 shields . Ths clearly indicates the problem s in a core tolerance and is not a minor problem. I can accept this, but using a patch on faithful customers product is just not acceptable to me. It is a shame because it is a great design. I have over 30 years automotive manufacturing engineering experience and understand quality problems. There is no way Ford,GM or any other manufacturer would accept this. My protest is not about the gun, but S&W. I expect better from an American company.
Wish everyone luck with their products. I know the 9mm is working well and that's great
I did buy the XDs and do absolutely love it. I've bought 2 more springers since. Of course, that's why they make fords and Chevys, to each his own. No hard feelings, Ok?
absolutely no hard feelings dude, that's why i put a
at the end of my post my fellow free American.Repli-can't
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400 rounds - no mag drops on Shield .40
I shot another 200 rounds through my Shield .40 today. (this makes 400 total). NO mag drops. I made sure I had 6 or 7 (depending on which mag) plus one on every mag. I did notice that the mags became easier/looser as I shot. Didn't seem to matter...
My issue is every shot is low and left. I shot two clips through my Glock 23 G4 and they all landed right around the bull - not great but my usual. Why can't I get my Shield to shoot accurately? I still think it is me but... Very frustrating. I bought a laser bore sight and it did show that the sights were very left so I made the adjustments... (my front sight now has a little marring on the right)
Btw... I put Talon grips on since my first visit to the range and they work AMAZINGLY WELL! No more feeling of slipping on the 6 round mag - at all!
My son-in-law is like "dead eye Jack" with a hand gun and he will be coming with me to the range next Saturday. If he can't hit center then this gun is definitely going back.
For the record mine is serial #DXY4***. And I still love this gun!
I shot another 200 rounds through my Shield .40 today. (this makes 400 total). NO mag drops. I made sure I had 6 or 7 (depending on which mag) plus one on every mag. I did notice that the mags became easier/looser as I shot. Didn't seem to matter...
My issue is every shot is low and left. I shot two clips through my Glock 23 G4 and they all landed right around the bull - not great but my usual. Why can't I get my Shield to shoot accurately? I still think it is me but... Very frustrating. I bought a laser bore sight and it did show that the sights were very left so I made the adjustments... (my front sight now has a little marring on the right)
Btw... I put Talon grips on since my first visit to the range and they work AMAZINGLY WELL! No more feeling of slipping on the 6 round mag - at all!
My son-in-law is like "dead eye Jack" with a hand gun and he will be coming with me to the range next Saturday. If he can't hit center then this gun is definitely going back.
For the record mine is serial #DXY4***. And I still love this gun!
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Please don't get upset as I am aware of the several different threads about the shield, but it's rather time consuming to go through and look at every other post or 3 to find a shield prefix serial number on the ones with the mag drop problems. I am picking my shield up Friday but would like to know if there is a specific thread with the serial number of the guns with the problem. I have read that the new production guns have been fixed? Thanks
Brad
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windviking
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absolutely no hard feelings dude, that's why i put a
Thanks for Understanding. You're a class act as far as I'm concerned!
A fellow patriot.
robkarrob
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I've been on several Springfield forums, and there are lots of complaints about the XDs 45acp.
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Hello. I just joined this forum but have been following the famous and well documented mag drop issue for some time. To make this short, I have a mag dropper and I sent it in for repair. Got it back a couple of weeks ago but I just shot it for the first time after the so called dimple repair. They just give me two new Mag's withe the dimple and did not replace the mag catch. Shot about two Mag's both the 6 and 7 rounder thru it and now even the short mag falls out. I contacted S and W and I am demanding a refund.This gun cannot be trusted as a self defense weapon. No way I could ever trust my or my families life to what amounts to a 400 dollar paper weight. They informed me that any gun sent back a second time would have to be evaluated by upper management. I refuse to keep this gun. Ill keep you posted.
Hello. I just joined this forum but have been following the famous and well documented mag drop issue for some time. To make this short, I have a mag dropper and I sent it in for repair. Got it back a couple of weeks ago but I just shot it for the first time after the so called dimple repair. They just give me two new Mag's withe the dimple and did not replace the mag catch. Shot about two Mag's both the 6 and 7 rounder thru it and now even the short mag falls out. I contacted S and W and I am demanding a refund.This gun cannot be trusted as a self defense weapon. No way I could ever trust my or my families life to what amounts to a 400 dollar paper weight. They informed me that any gun sent back a second time would have to be evaluated by upper management. I refuse to keep this gun. Ill keep you posted.
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You are going through EXACTLY the same thing I'm going through right now with a Kahr P9. I bought a brand new P9 about 4 months ago and experienced the same problem you guys are having with the Shield .40s (mag drops). It's been back to Kahr twice now in the past 2 months and this time I asked for a refund. I will never have confidence in it as a carry piece. As a matter of fact the drops became more frequent after they "fixed it" the first time. There are other documented cases at the Kahr forums. Been waiting on a decision from upper management for 2 weeks now as they can't seem to figure it out. In the mean time I picked up a Shield 9mm and have 400 flawless rounds through it. Would have gone with the .40 but after reading about some of the mag drop issues on this forum I went with the 9.
Bikemobile
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I got an email that my is on its way back to me.
I asked what was done:
The work that was performed was:
------- W A R R A N T Y R E P A I R D E S C R I P T I O N S ------------
014 MAGAZINE CATCH 547 REPLACE MAG 508 FUNCTION TEST TO FAC
594 REPLACE PINS 612 REPLACE BARREL STUD 617 RANGE TESTED/MEETS SP
I asked what was done:
The work that was performed was:
------- W A R R A N T Y R E P A I R D E S C R I P T I O N S ------------
014 MAGAZINE CATCH 547 REPLACE MAG 508 FUNCTION TEST TO FAC
594 REPLACE PINS 612 REPLACE BARREL STUD 617 RANGE TESTED/MEETS SP
The_Unknown_Surfer
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Barrel Stud ?
What the heck is that?
Haven't heard of that needing to be replaced before.
Bikemobile
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I got my shield back today:
New roll pin. Mine was backing out.
Not sure what the barrel stud is but i think its the thing the barrel engages with when in battery.
This: looks new to me.
New mags and a new mag catch.
Ill shoot it tommorrow.
One interesting note. I modified my mags myself. One of them had a hairline crack (from me) and they still replaced it. I figured that i would get a phone call and be charged to replace it or get it back.
The large mag seats flush with a loud click. The short mag still shows a gap but also seats with a loud click.
Looks good so far.
New roll pin. Mine was backing out.
Not sure what the barrel stud is but i think its the thing the barrel engages with when in battery.
This: looks new to me.
New mags and a new mag catch.
Ill shoot it tommorrow.
One interesting note. I modified my mags myself. One of them had a hairline crack (from me) and they still replaced it. I figured that i would get a phone call and be charged to replace it or get it back.
The large mag seats flush with a loud click. The short mag still shows a gap but also seats with a loud click.
Looks good so far.
got mine back today also, they dimpled the mags, in fact one has a tiny little crack from where they dimpled it I will send back to them to be replaced. They said they replaced the magazines(they just dimpled mine) mag catch and test fired with no issues. Must of put a box thru it because the slide was dirty!
I shot another 200 rounds through my Shield .40 today. (this makes 400 total). NO mag drops. I made sure I had 6 or 7 (depending on which mag) plus one on every mag. I did notice that the mags became easier/looser as I shot. Didn't seem to matter...
My issue is every shot is low and left. I shot two clips through my Glock 23 G4 and they all landed right around the bull - not great but my usual. Why can't I get my Shield to shoot accurately? I still think it is me but... Very frustrating. I bought a laser bore sight and it did show that the sights were very left so I made the adjustments... (my front sight now has a little marring on the right)
Btw... I put Talon grips on since my first visit to the range and they work AMAZINGLY WELL! No more feeling of slipping on the 6 round mag - at all!
My son-in-law is like "dead eye Jack" with a hand gun and he will be coming with me to the range next Saturday. If he can't hit center then this gun is definitely going back.
For the record mine is serial #DXY4***. And I still love this gun!
I had the same problem with the sights, had them changed by a gunsmith to Big Red Dot and he mared them so bad I sent the gun back to S&W and had them replaced with the original sights while they fixed the mag drops. The new sights (factory) are dead on, so it is not you. The gunsmith said the sights are so jammed in there, you will mare them. I think "Dead Eye Jack" will confirm it is not you. By the way I put the Talon rubber grips on mine, it was best $15.00 I ever spent, I going to put them on all my guns.
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I have a friend who works as the asst manager at a gun store where I bought my three Shields. His boss called the S&W rep for our area concerning all the customer trying to return the Shield .40. Anyways my friend called me at work and said the S&W rep was at the store. I went over and got to speak to rep myself, especially when I threw two .40s on the counter. I asked him to be honest, my question was short and sweet. What the hell is wrong with the Shield forty? He said he running into the dropping mag problem everywhere he services as well as the sights and the slide. He said in his opinion that Shield was never designed to be a forty only a 9mm. But, so many people wanted it available in forty, S&W started making them and the problems started. I have the 9mm also and no problems. I asked him if he could S&W to swap the two forties for two 9mm. He said probably not, seeing S&W is not really going to eat all the forties they have sold, that told me the problem goes way beyond this forum. He asked me why I bought the second one if I had problem with first one? I told him I was stupid and thought I just got a lemon and the second one has not had any problems after 700 rounds, so far. I don't know what to believe anymore. I did get a call from the owner of the gun store he will take back one of the forties back and give me a 9mm as soon as he gets some in. According to my friend the owner told the rep to replace mine or get all the S&W guns out of his store. I only bought 9 guns from him, I guess he did it because I am good customer. If I still do not have a problem with my repaired forty after 300 more rounds I going to sell it and keep the 9mms. Problem solved, for now.
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Bikemobile
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My mags are new, they still have the white paint on the followers and mine had lines from dragging on the mag catch.
I guess I am missing something. What white paint and what is a follower?
Bikemobile
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The follower is the plastic piece in the magazine that pushes the bullets up with the magazine spring. My first mags, when new had a swipe of white chalky paint across the imprinted "40 s&w." after you run a few boxes through each mag the paint wears off and stays in the letters. Same with these new mags.
Just was at the range yesterday to run some gold dots through my new 40 s&w shield and I was using the 7 round mag and after the round in the chamber it failed to strip a new round in the chamber and to my suprise the magazine had dropped. After messing around with it ifound the magazine was somewhat stubborn when inserting it into the mag well. The grip extension if it was not flush with the bottom of the magazine would prevent it from locking into place.
The 180 gr gold dots performed flawlessly, they fed without a problem
The 180 gr gold dots performed flawlessly, they fed without a problem
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