M&P Shield Bodyguard 380 size comparison

[IllinoisCCW]

What is the criteria and who desides who the "EXPERTS" are?

Depends on what type of experts you are referring to. If you are talking about tactical, both offense and defensive, use of firearms...find out who the LEOs and Military seek out. 9 out of 10 times it will be civilian contractors.

 

[kris7047th]

Depends on what type of experts you are referring to. If you are talking about tactical, both offense and defensive, use of firearms...find out who the LEOs and Military seek out. 9 out of 10 times it will be civilian contractors.

Yup!

 

[kris7047th]

��. The million dollar question and is the question I get asked the most. First, I'm an Illinois resident and can't carry when in Illinois. I am licensed in every other state. When I do carry I personally prefer the 9mm...right now, I train on only two...M&P 9c and the FNX 9. I just received the Shield and will start my training regiment and it will be in my rotation soon. I don't recommend more than two within a rotation but I spend 15 to 20 hours a week training (my personal training) I'm more comfortable , more accurate with the 9. I instruct people to use the caliber they are most comfortable with regarding action, ability to handle, control....then train, train, train. And just don't shoot at targets...create situational objectives..stance...positioning...lighting...stress control...breathing...draw...and on and on. I can talk hours on this topic...and i do

If your carry weapon cannot be thought of as part of your body than you are not ready. (My only issue with handing out ccw permits) I can present my weapon no differently than scratching an itch...i do without a lot of thought...its just instinctive...it's apart of me. I tell people to be, not just proficient, but expert with a weapon and be able to use it effectively and safely is a combination of mind and body...that's what we train to.

You can argue about what is the best caliber...an argument than will have no winner. I work with an individual that can eliminate a threat with a .22 faster than I can blink. Try having the caliber argument with him...I promise you will lose.

Not sure I answered your question. ��

Yes .. you did answer my question. Oh, I also have a PMR30 that I love! I have had guys argue that it isn't deadly .. lol

What concerns me as so many I know who have CPLs (concealed pistol Licenses) never practice draw from their holsters (most pull their gun out of a box) they just stand at the target and punch holes as tight of a group as possible. IMO, that's OK if you are practicing hand gun fundamentals stroking the trigger etc. But in a real life situation .. you better know how to quickly draw and point shoot effectively. That takes a lot of practice which very few people do.

 

[OpenSights]

Depends on what type of experts you are referring to. If you are talking about tactical, both offense and defensive, use of firearms...find out who the LEOs and Military seek out. 9 out of 10 times it will be civilian contractors.

Agree 100%!

MDFI is great up here in MI. Steve and crew are great trainers!

 

[IllinoisCCW]

Yes .. you did answer my question. Oh, I also have a PMR30 that I love! I have had guys argue that it isn't deadly .. lol

I saw that. I really shouldn't be commenting but you read my other posts. Just be careful who you take advise from.

 

[IllinoisCCW]

Agree 100%!

MDFI is great up here in MI. Steve and crew are great trainers!

I've heard of them. Great reputation.

 

[kris7047th]

I've heard of them. Great reputation.

I know them too. Steve is a friend and has taught me much .. and I have a loonng ways to go. In fact it was Steve who called me up leaving Schupbacks that they had a PMR in stock .

 

[IllinoisCCW]

Yes .. you did answer my question. Oh, I also have a PMR30 that I love! I have had guys argue that it isn't deadly .. lol

What concerns me as so many I know who have CPLs (concealed pistol Licenses) never practice draw from their holsters (most pull their gun out of a box) they just stand at the target and punch holes as tight of a group as possible. IMO, that's OK if you are practicing hand gun fundamentals stroking the trigger etc. But in a real life situation .. you better know how to quickly draw and point shoot effectively. That takes a lot of practice which very few people do.

There has been training sessions where tactical units come in and want to show off their shooting skills. Most of them are awesome shots at stationary targets. You put them through situational scenarios under STRESSFUL conditions and the story changes. There has been times when officers left after the training questioning their ability to handle situations under stress.

Yes you are correct...it's not about shooting at targets.

 

[OpenSights]

I've heard of them. Great reputation.

Worth the trip from any neighboring State for any class, I might add; The "gun community" here in MI are generally good people. If you're interested in a class, there are many people here who would give you a bed for the night or two. Just throwing that out there.

The next class I'm going to take is the YSINTG class. "You suck it's not the gun" Personally, I need that class. I've been working on the fundamentals, the way they teach it. But the class is still needed. The FFL I bought my Shield from, a trainer at MDFI, invited me to the YSINTG class tomorrow, but the funds aren't really there.

 

[IllinoisCCW]

Worth the trip from any neighboring State for any class, I might add; The "gun community" here in MI are generally good people. If you're interested in a class, there are many people here who would give you a bed for the night or two. Just throwing that out there.

The next class I'm going to take is the YSINTG class. "You suck it's not the gun" Personally, I need that class. I've been working on the fundamentals, the way they teach it. But the class is still needed. The FFL I bought my Shield from, a trainer at MDFI, invited me to the YSINTG class tomorrow, but the funds aren't really there.

I hear you. I have family in MI. With my extensive travels, sometimes taking me out of the country, I haven't been up to visit in years.

Its great you are taking classes. You can't just possess and be expert. I say expert because when it comes to the potential of saving your life of lives others you better damn well be an expert. Some say I'm extreme but I expect that of our LEOs. Ask yourself, would you want your local LEO protecting you? Can you be certain they have the RIGHT mental and physical training? I will tell you this, I have friends that spend more time and money obtaining the appropriate training than most LEOs I've dealt with. That's unsettling to me.

 

[OpenSights]

I hear you. I have family in MI. With my extensive travels, sometimes taking me out of the country, I haven't been up to visit in years.

Its great you are taking classes. You can't just possess and be expert. I say expert because when it comes to the potential of saving your life of lives others you better damn well be an expert. Some say I'm extreme but I expect that of our LEOs. Ask yourself, would you want your local LEO protecting you? Can you be certain they have the RIGHT mental and physical training? I will tell you this, I have friends that spend more time and money obtaining the appropriate training than most LEOs I've dealt with. That's unsettling to me.

We're on the same wave. My military training is my downfall as far as getting the job done and protecting my family. Re-learning to fight with a knife and hand gun is a whole ball of confusion for me.

Things in MI are getting worse by the day. LEO's are getting cut from the budget non stop.

Pisses me off, my daycare for my 3.5 YO, the daycare lady can't have a gun in the house, due to state law. When I drop him off or pick him up, legally I cannot carry. But some meth head can come in and start blasting the kids away and all they can do is call 911.

One of my SNCOIC's once said "Common sense is an uncommon virtue".

 

[IllinoisCCW]

We're on the same wave. My military training is my downfall as far as getting the job done and protecting my family. Re-learning to fight with a knife and hand gun is a whole ball of confusion for me.

Things in MI are getting worse by the day. LEO's are getting cut from the budget non stop.

Pisses me off, my daycare for my 3.5 YO, the daycare lady can't have a gun in the house, due to state law. When I drop him off or pick him up, legally I cannot carry. But some meth head can come in and start blasting the kids away and all they can do is call 911.

One of my SNCOIC's once said "Common sense is an uncommon virtue".

Yep. As they say, gun laws don't affect the criminals, they hinder the law abiding citizens. Good luck!

 

[Sodbuster46]

My everyday carry is the M&P40c; had a BG380 and sold it, this might just fit that niche the BG380 left open; want to get my hands on one (M&P40 Shield) but like I've been reading they won't be out until the end of the month; must be patient!

 

[lrichardson32]

it doesnt look lefty friendly

Im interested in the shield but havent been to my LGS to check it out yet. I m lefty and read that the mag release isnt ambi or switchable like the glock 26 gen 4. Im not comparing because I like the shields price alot better. Any suggestion on lefty friendly ccw in 9mm.

 

[kris7047th]

Wouldn't surprise me that in time that S&W will come out with left versions in both calibers. I would call S&W CS and ask.

 

[OpenSights]

My everyday carry is the M&P40c; had a BG380 and sold it, this might just fit that niche the BG380 left open; want to get my hands on one (M&P40 Shield) but like I've been reading they won't be out until the end of the month; must be patient!

Not one gun or one caliber is right for everyone. For me the .40 is a bit too snappy, and IMHO, the 45acp is less than. But I do know a good number of people who swear by it. I'd still really like to shoot a Shield in .40!

 

[crracer_712]

Yep. As they say, gun laws don't affect the criminals, they hinder the law abiding citizens. Good luck!

When did Illinois get CCW? Or are you just opining?

 

[IllinoisCCW]

When did Illinois get CCW? Or are you just opining?

No CCW in Illinois...yet. Getting close though. Been hoping for many years.

 

[crracer_712]

OK, I didn't think so, so I googled after I post and found an article about a possible loop hole in the law published in a Chicago paper. Then noticed the date of the article was from 2000.....

 

[IllinoisCCW]

OK, I didn't think so, so I googled after I post and found an article about a possible loop hole in the law published in a Chicago paper. Then noticed the date of the article was from 2000.....

Yeah. Pike county in Illinois passed an ordinance allowing conceal carry but it can't supersede state law. If other counties follow suit it will definitely help. It's a start.