M&P Value Series

[ScrapmasterFlex]

It took me about 30 seconds to figure out what the funky chicken you were doing

Then it dawned on me you were trying to convey an M&P humping a SDVE and the 9-month gestation period resulting in some inglorious basterd child becoming the Jon Snow hero of the Smith and Wesson company and be the S&W Value Gun.

I don't know whether to shoot or go hide!

lol.

 

[shawn mccarver]

I appreciate all of the good discussion.

To address a few points. I consider the M&P to be S&W's premier line of service auto, while the SDVE is obviously the value line. The M&P is the pistol S&W would send in to compete in pistol trials with the Glocks, HK, SIGs, etc. And it is a great choice.

Personally, I like the M&P platform and light trigger action. Since the slide is, or at least was, through hardened stainless, it hardly needs the melonite treatment except for the most serious case of abuse, which is not the case for home defense, "truck gun," etc.

This whole thread was meant to be a theoretical exercise, and I appreciate the ideas and discussion.

S&W has said the SDVE will NOT be changed in the future so it can stay on the California Register. I was thinking, therefore, that they need another option in a "Value Series" gun, and what better way than to do what Ruger did with its SR9.

Obviously, the M&P in its full-featured guise would stay in the line. There are, however, plenty of people who shop for a pistol in the price range of the SDVE. I bet a Value Series M&P would be a hit among that crowd. Better to keep that customer than to have them go to Ruger's new 9E, with its lighter Glock-like and M&P-like trigger and its SDVE price because they do not want the long DA type of feel present on the SDVE Series.

 

[M&Pmeister]

Problem with cheapening up a $400 M&P to make a $300 M&P is cannibalizing S&W's own sales. Folks who otherwise would have bought a $400 M&P might downgrade to the $300 M&P, with lesser profit margin. This is why you'll never see a Glock "value" series.

What S&W could do, however, is optimize some models in the Military&Police line for civilian conceal carry purposes. Take the Compact series, for example... as nice as it is, it is a big jump size-wise from the single stack Shield. I'm sure it's beefy for a reason, to withstand the rigors of a duty-carry BUG, and for maximum parts interchangeability with the FS. As a CCW, slimness is king. I would gladly trade duty-grade indestructiveness for less weight and bulk. S&W could still charge $400 for a civilian-specific double-stack "CC40".

If their did that, I wouldn't have gotten a Taurus PT-111 G2.

M&P Shield 40 (full mag 6+1): 23.9 Oz
M&P Shield 40 (emty mag): 20.1 Oz

PT111 G2 (full mag 12+1): 26.9 Oz (PT-140: 27.4 Oz with 10+1 of S&W.40)
PT111 G2 (empty mag): 21.4 Oz

M&P40 Compact (full mag 10+1): 31.3 Oz
M&P40 Compact (empty mag): 25.2 Oz