M&P vs. Glock field striped

[Titegroups]

"Anyone who would select something as personal as a handgun based solely on looking at the internals is seriously mentally deficient."

The ergo's are so obvious it's not worth mentioning. If you have no interest in the mechanics or the engineering outside of what the gun feels like in the hand I can understand why field stripping one would not be of much help. On the other hand there are those whom would like to dig a little deeper into the design elements and compare and contrast the differences but it looks like this isn't the place to do it. Sorry.

 

[Bicky Robby]

Just made some popcorn, this will be worth the watch.

 

[senecaap]

Come on guys......they are both inferior to the 1911

 

[OKFC05]

"Anyone who would select something as personal as a handgun based solely on looking at the internals is seriously mentally deficient."

The ergo's are so obvious it's not worth mentioning. If you have no interest in the mechanics or the engineering outside of what the gun feels like in the hand I can understand why field stripping one would not be of much help. On the other hand there are those whom would like to dig a little deeper into the design elements and compare and contrast the differences but it looks like this isn't the place to do it. Sorry.

Here's the rest of the actual post:
"Anyone who would select something as personal as a handgun based solely on looking at the internals is seriously mentally deficient.
The greatest difference between a Glock and an M&P is ergonomics, especially grip design. Do you just look under the hood of a car to buy it, or do you take it for a test drive?
And yes, I have field stripped a dozen different Glock models, and all the M&Ps except the .45. And also a wheelbarrow load of other designs for people at the range who had never stripped or cleaned their pistols. So I guess it is OK for me to post? "

So is any one who disagrees with your statement that only the internals matter is automatically wrong? You asked for opions and you got them. If you're waiting for people on this forum to join bashing one or another of the brands, it may be a long wiait!

 

[Shadow1006]

After the OP made his statement, I was hoping someone would post pictures of both side by side with some insight about differences or what they liked over what they didn't like comparing both.

This thread could have been educational but it turn into $h!t really quickly...That is sad and a waste of bandwidth and good well meaning peoples time! Moving on!

 

[Dragon88]

I made some popcorn and was hoping to watch a Glock vs. M&P debate kick off in this thread. But no one would take a solid stance and the whole thing just fizzled out, like watching two boy dogs try to hump each other. Then someone referred to themselves in the third person and I lost all focus on what happened after that....

 

[4506517]

My opinion is going to be worth what you paid for it....nothing.

I own a Glock 19, 23C, and a 31. I like all of them and shoot fairly well with them.

I am issued an M&P 45 full size by my agency. I shoot it decent. I hate it. I am petrified my life depends on it. This is my second one in about a year and a half. A couple guys have had them replaced four and five times. Ive seen rusted guns (apparently S&W owed up and admitted ours werent finished properly), front and rear sights fall off, mags rusted so bad they boardered on not functioning, FTF, FTE, Failures to feed, broken strikers, the pin that holds the backstrap on stripped out, mag baseplates that wouldnt stay on because the mag body was out of spec.....when we last qualified in March, several guns failed on the line and were immediately removed from service. None of that engenders trust in a duty weapon. What stinks is these replaced 4566s.

I think maybe the M&P should have spent more time testing and refining this design. Not saying it doesnt have potential, just saying it has a long way to go.

Still love my Glocks, they have never failed me. Then again, Ive never carried one on duty. If I had my choice it would be the 4566TSW or in a perfect world, a modernized 4506 with an integral rail, loaded chamber indicator, and checkered front strap.

Glock vs. M&P is going to boil down to preferences, which are deeply personal. Someone will rail me for what Ive said about the M&P, but thats my opinion based on my experience.

Its nice to have choices. It would be a boring life if there was only one type of everything.

 

[The Viking]

My opinion is going to be worth what you paid for it....nothing.

I own a Glock 19, 23C, and a 31. I like all of them and shoot fairly well with them.

I am issued an M&P 45 full size by my agency. I shoot it decent. I hate it. I am petrified my life depends on it. This is my second one in about a year and a half. A couple guys have had them replaced four and five times. Ive seen rusted guns (apparently S&W owed up and admitted ours werent finished properly), front and rear sights fall off, mags rusted so bad they boardered on not functioning, FTF, FTE, Failures to feed, broken strikers, the pin that holds the backstrap on stripped out, mag baseplates that wouldnt stay on because the mag body was out of spec.....when we last qualified in March, several guns failed on the line and were immediately removed from service. None of that engenders trust in a duty weapon. What stinks is these replaced 4566s.

I think maybe the M&P should have spent more time testing and refining this design. Not saying it doesnt have potential, just saying it has a long way to go.

Still love my Glocks, they have never failed me. Then again, Ive never carried one on duty. If I had my choice it would be the 4566TSW or in a perfect world, a modernized 4506 with an integral rail, loaded chamber indicator, and checkered front strap.

Glock vs. M&P is going to boil down to preferences, which are deeply personal. Someone will rail me for what Ive said about the M&P, but thats my opinion based on my experience.

Its nice to have choices. It would be a boring life if there was only one type of everything.

That is a very good post. I am really sorry you feel that way about the S&W 45 and it is having so many problems. Some of them are minor however. I just finished an article by another LEO who said he has shot 5,000 rounds through his without cleaning it. He also did some minor torturing testing to see how it stood up. I have been following the Smith and Wesson M&P for some time now. Although I am a big fan of the 1911, I have owned and shot a fair number of Glocks for some time and have a healthy respect for them. They are phenomenal for their durability, toughness and reliability. That being said - they are ergonomic disasters. Ergonomically the Smiths have them beat across the board. Not to mention the Generation 4s are having a lot of problems ( Glock should not try to fix what is not broken - they listened to their engineers rather than shooters). Try the Glock forum.
I have had the recoil spring of a Glock 40 break and come apart in my hand after I field stripped it. It was now worthless as a pistol. So they are not infallible.
Anyway, I just put 1,000 rounds through my Gen 3, Glock 17 without cleaning it and without one malfunction. I am going to see if my 9mm S&W M&P will do the same thing.
I did have a 40 cal S&W M&P give me a dead trigger ( gun failed to cock). However, I have seen a 40 caliber Glock blow and become unusable in a ccw class because the case head was unsupported. Nothing is perfect.
I really like the S&W M&P and hope it will develop the same rep as the Glock.
I have a friend who is an engineer and will not consider anything but a 1911. I am going to get him to look at both the Glock and the S&W M&P and give me an opinion as to which he thinks is the stronger of the two. I figure that will give me an unvarnished opinion.
I see nothing wrong with making many comparisons and getting opinions on the two pistols ( Glock and S&W M&P). After all, Glock is pretty much the standard by which polymer pistols are measured. Just like the old 1911 is a standard ( no one has ever beaten its trigger either).
I am of the opinion that Glock is failing to make the ergonomic changes it should until pushed to do so by other makers ( ie Smith with the replaceable backstrap - now a feature on the Gen 4 Glock). Seems to me they are where Colt used to be when they started losing their market for the 1911 to Kimber etc.

 

[4506517]

I guess more along the lines of what the OP was asking, I actually find the Glock easier to field strip. The polymer on the Glock seems a bit more flexible than the M&P, but conversely, the M&P magazines are MUCH easier to disassemble. The Glock mags are a nightmare in my opinion.

Now, for a duty weapon I am glad the M&P has a magazine disconnect. It makes me feel safer that if, God forbid, my weapon gets taken, I can punch the release and disable it. I think the M&P does have some good points......for some reason I really like the sights. Our issued weapon has night sights, and I really like them.

 

[ET.]

I own a Glock 21sf & a 27. I looked at a Glock 35, but bought an M&P 40 Pro with a long slide & 5" barrel. It is a fine target/competition gun, but I trust my life to the Glock 27 for my CC gun & the 21sf for my HD gun (along with the Rem 870 in the corner of course). I'm sure that the M&P would be just as effective as an HD gun except that mine has the hi-vis competition sights that are not good in dark HD situations.

Oh, as to the premise that the M&P is a better built gun...well maybe it is but I just don't see it. I really like my M&P, but my glocks are very reliable as well. I see no cheap parts that would break on my Glocks or my M&P. I have too many rounds through all of these guns, with no problems, for any of them to be considered cheaply/cheaper built. We tend to see what we want to see when we look at objects with shaded lenses. They both seem to be well built. Just saying...

 

[remat457]

Thanks to those who took a stand to show the undeserving statement was uncalled for!

Even though I "qualify" to post in the thread (I do own both) that original undiplomatic comment is the reason that I did not participate. This will be my only post.

 

[Bicky Robby]

Dead thread. Fun while it LASted. Next....

 

[GKC]

After being sure the mag is out and all the ammunition is out of the room, close the slide on the Glock, dryfire into your sand bucket, and turn it sideways so the grip is down and the rear of the gun is toward your weak hand. grip your weak hand around the slide behind the grip with your fingers over the rear sight, and squeeze until the slide moves back correctly for disassembly. With your strong hand, pull down both tabs from under the slide and relax your weak hand so the slide goes forward past where the tabs catch, and remove the slide. Easiest way I've found.

I was watching one of Hickok45's videos the other day (that guy would be awesome to shoot with) and he mentioned that he kept his nails slightly longer on the two fingers he used to take down his Glocks. You can also get an extended tab or lever for Glocks that make it easier to grasp.

I wish they made an extended tab for my SD9. I like my SD9 better than any Glock I have ever owned...the grip feels so much better...and it breaks down just as easily.

 

[Knochen]

Let's liven up this post with how to field strip:

How-To Field Strip and Clean a Glock With Ashley | EyeHandy.com

Where was your focus?

 

[RooiValk]

Call me shallow, but I just don't want a Glock based on how ugly they are. . In my experience both are excellent shooters but I get better accuracy with my m&p 9, and look a whole lot cooler shooting with it .

 

[Ursoboostd]

I own a Glock23 and have always love the simplicity and accuracy of it, but I have to reach to get to the mag release. The other day I was handling a M&P 40 and loved the ergonomics. Fit my hand perfectly. This has me looking. -Wade-

 

[Rangel]

I love my M&P and it's the first gun I shoot at the range or carry openly (my state allows that). When I can't carry a gun the size of an M&P 40c, I usually carry a S&W BodyGuard 380 in my pocket, or occasionally a tricked out Glock 27. I'm quite fond of my full sized Springfield XDm 45 ACP too.

But as unpopular as this may sound, I have to admit that if you told me I was being dropped into the wilderness for 90 days and I had JUST one pistol to take with me, it'd be my Glock 17, with lots of HP ammo, with Glock 17 round and 33 round magazines. I consider genuine Glock magazines to be among the best built and most durable, rattle free magzines built.

I like the Glock philosophy of making guns with the absolute minimum amount of parts possible and if nothing else, they are utterly reliable when compared to pretty much any gun, in my own opinion.

I have other brands of fine guns, and that said, the my Glocks are the plainest, most ugly of the bunch. Lastly--not ALL Glocks are great--I wouldn't buy any 4th generation models--I can't believe how they screwed that up! Nor would I buy a few of the other, earlier model (1,2 or 3rd Gen.) Glocks. Just like with hitters in baseball, NO gun manfacturer hits 1000% if they're making a number of guns, no matter if they're all based on the same, or very similar platforms. Even Kimber and a number of other so called 'high end' gun companies have put out some dogs....

I'd like to think we can be objective here, not like some red necks around where I live, who depending on whether you drive a Ford or Chevy truck, will spit at you....

 

[Rangel]

After being sure the mag is out and all the ammunition is out of the room, close the slide on the Glock, dryfire into your sand bucket, and turn it sideways so the grip is down and the rear of the gun is toward your weak hand. grip your weak hand around the slide behind the grip with your fingers over the rear sight, and squeeze until the slide moves back correctly for disassembly. With your strong hand, pull down both tabs from under the slide and relax your weak hand so the slide goes forward past where the tabs catch, and remove the slide. Easiest way I've found.

Yea--That's how I do it--after I do the hokey pokey and turn myself around--because 'that's what it's all about'--lol

 

[DJBiker]

I have only one question to post here. What makes the Glock easier to field strip? The sear disconnect lever of the M&P?

If so, don't use it! On my M&P's, all 6 of them, you pull the slide back, lock it in place, rotate the takedown lever to the down position, release the slide, pull the trigger, and off it comes, piece of cake.

The sear disconnect lever for field stripping the M&P is only optional if you do not want to pull the trigger. Try it, you'll like it!

JUst for kicks, I just hit the stopwatch on my left wrist, and completely field stripped my M&P and then stopped the stopwatch and it reads 3 seconds. It can't be easier or faster on the Glock unless it falls apart when you shoot it. NOt disrespecting the Glock or any weapon, just wondering how easy that thing can be to get apart? I mean 3 seconds????

 

[DJBiker]

Ok, one small caveat for those attempting the three second breakdown of the M&P. Watch out for that ejector when the slide comes forward, it can bite your hand, LOL!