Machine guns?

A machine gun is a crew served weapon firing rifle rounds. A sub-machine gun fires a pistol cartridge in a personal weapon. An assault weapon fires selectively for a less than full size round.

In between the two you had things like the M1918 BAR that was used as a squad automatic weapon. It wasn’t crew served and was fed from a 20 round box magazine, but fired the then standard .30-06 round like the 1903 and M1 Garand.

It was superseded for the most part by the M14, only some of which were issued with the fire selector installed, and in very limited use the M14A1 which had a pistol grip, a modified in line butt stock and muzzle device to better control recoil in conjunction with a bipod and a fore grip integrated with the sling to perform the role of a light machine gun.

However, the M14, given its full sized cartridge and select fire capability, would still be considered a select fire “battle rifle” like the German G1/FN FAL/L1A1 and the German G3 and various CETME derivatives.

The FAL as originally envisioned would have used the .280 British cartridge (.280” land diameter, .284” or 7mm groove diameter) which was an intermediate cartridge with a 140 gr bullet at 2550 fps.

We went with the 7.62x51 instead (147-150 grains at 2800 fps) and forced it on NATO, then almost immediately started developing the 5.56x45mm round, which was arguably a bit too far on the weak side (55 grains at 3250 fps).

Now that we are finally going with a 6.8mm (.277”) round we’ve swung all the way back in the battle rifle direction with the hybrid cased 80,000 psi 140 gr bullet at 2950 fps 6.8x51 round from Sig.

We’re slow learners who like to repeat our mistakes.
 
So what then, is a full size round, and what is an M16?

A full size round is considered anything ~30 caliber or more, so 30-06, 7.62 NATO, 7.5x55, .303 British, 7.65x54, 7.92x57, 7.62x54R, 7.7x58 (7.7 Arisaka to some), 7.5x54 are but a few. Perhaps full power is a more accurate description, as the 7x57 is also considered a full size round, pushing 173 gr at ~2300 fps and 140 gr at close to 2800 fps.

The M16 fires what is considered an intermediate round, 5.56x45 NATO. Other intermediate rounds are 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, and 6.5x50 or 6.5 Arisaka if you prefer.

The M16 is classed as an assault rifle as it fires an intermediate round. Battle rifles fire full size rounds. Examples are the M1 Garand, M14, FAL, FN-49, SVT-40, Gew43, and the Hakim, to name but a few.
 
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Getting back to the original question…:)

It depends on who is defining what. The legal definition of a machine gun in the US is anything that is full auto, no matter what cartridge it uses. Wouldn’t try to tell the ATF your full auto .45 ACP Thompson isn’t one, they will be upset.

In the practical world, SMG/true assault weapon (not the plethora of semi-auto wannabes), and light/medium/heavy MG is as useful as any system for breaking down the category. Add “automatic rifle” for the BAR, M14, HK91, etc. if you like.
 
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Technically speaking: Fully automatic weapons have only existed for just over 125 years. That was when Hyram Maxxim gifted the world with his invention. Dr. Gattling's post-Civil War invention didn't qualify as an Automatic weapon (and still does not!)

The pistol caliber full auto weapon didn't come along until late in WWI when the Italians (Beretta) invented a detachable box magazine fed machinegun the used the 9mmx19mm Glisenti round. It was intended for air-to-air combat. (that's around 1917-1918, Col. Thompson's wonderful little devil came along in 1921 in 45 ACP and other cartridges. The C-96 "Broom Handle Mauser, got a full auto update around 1930. The Brits had a 9mm full auto Lanchester. That the Germans called their verson the MP-40 (not to be confused with the MP-38 "Burp gun")

The Europeans seem to call them Machine Pistols, and the American's use the term Sub-Machinegun.

Just as WWII was heating up, a third class of select fire gun was developed, The Assault Rifle! These were not always full auto and used a cartridge more powerful than handguns but less powerful than main battle rifles and belt fed machineguns. The M-1 Carbine, MP-44, SKS, & AK 47 fall in this category as do very many more.

Sub Machine Gun, it originally an American term the many English speaking people use.

Ivan

The third class mention was never called an assault rife.......That term came in the late 60's from other folks.
 
From my understanding, most 'full power military cartridges' through WW2 had to meet the universal standard of the day. That was to be able to disable a horse (cavalry charge or cannon crew) at a thousand yards/meters in volley fire.
For convenience, almost all machine guns at the time fired the same round as the infantry rifle.
Battlefield tactics changed dramatically after Korea. A lot more was learned during Vietnam. Our military is still evolving into a new cartridge/platform.
 
You've never sat in the last hour of a training seminar before lunch or before the close. There are absolutely stupid questions . . .

Or at the very least, totally useless questions. True that.......
 
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