Madison WI School Shooting

[pharmer]

Folks have no idea of the "anguish" young folks feel these days. After the Pharma biz kicked me to the curb for being old to sell drugs I spent almost 15 years teaching Math/ Special Ed in a "Title 1" High School. My "caseload" contained 90% boys, some of which had multiple "life challenges." Zero parenting, poverty, multiple "substance" using folks in the home, violence, sexual abuse.
No way/where to "vent", finding work to feed siblings, it don't end. Hardest part was gaining trust, they know I need to "report" most anything they told me. I like to think I helped a few. Our youth are precious, the "key to the future." Too bad the only concern is getting them "to behave in a socially accepted manner." Joe

 

[Ματθιας]

Folks have no idea of the "anguish" young folks feel these days. After the Pharma biz kicked me to the curb for being old to sell drugs I spent almost 15 years teaching Math/ Special Ed in a "Title 1" High School. My "caseload" contained 90% boys, some of which had multiple "life challenges." Zero parenting, poverty, multiple "substance" using folks in the home, violence, sexual abuse.
No way/where to "vent", finding work to feed siblings, it don't end. Hardest part was gaining trust, they know I need to "report" most anything they told me. I like to think I helped a few. Our youth are precious, the "key to the future." Too bad the only concern is getting them "to behave in a socially accepted manner." Joe

I'm GenX and the problems kids are having today, are the same as my generation, the biggest differences are social media, the lack of accountability and everyone gets a prize just for showing up. Social media is the biggest problem, IMO.

This generation has help resources available to them that no other earlier generations had.

And they have permissive culture with no taboos, NOTHING is off limits. Just go on social media see what they are doing.

 

[pharmer]

I'm GenX and the problems kids are having today, are the same as my generation.....

Maybe so but try sitting across from dad in an "educational conference" when:
Mom is loaded, maybe pills, booze or something "stronger."
Dressed like she's late for a shift at the "Doll House."
Has a $1200 phone, a "Louis Vuitton handbag" and driving a Lincoln Navigator. She gets a check, EBT card for food, Sec * housing paid for and Medicaid.
"Dad" is about 32 y/o,doesn't speak English, but understands perfectly.
Has "name recognizable" gang tatoos on chest/neck.
"Spider web" elbow tats.
2 "teardrops" tatted under the left eye.
Gets up, storms out when "desired outcome" don't happen.
Kid never comes back to school.

I grew up 100% Italian, with all the BS that came with it. It didn't kill me nor did it cause me to terminate another's "life journey." Joe

 

[Doug M.]

We had odd kids in my Jr./Sr. High Schools. Everyone knew who they were. There are names I can still remember. Some of them disappeared into institutions for significant periods and came back not acting as weird as far as I know. This was not usually the same kids who were thuggish and getting in trouble.

 

[llowry61]

Maybe so but try sitting across from dad in an "educational conference" when:
Mom is loaded, maybe pills, booze or something "stronger."
Dressed like she's late for a shift at the "Doll House."
Has a $1200 phone, a "Louis Vuitton handbag" and driving a Lincoln Navigator. She gets a check, EBT card for food, Sec * housing paid for and Medicaid.
"Dad" is about 32 y/o,doesn't speak English, but understands perfectly.
Has "name recognizable" gang tatoos on chest/neck.
"Spider web" elbow tats.
2 "teardrops" tatted under the left eye.
Gets up, storms out when "desired outcome" don't happen.
Kid never comes back to school.

I grew up 100% Italian, with all the BS that came with it. It didn't kill me nor did it cause me to terminate another's "life journey." Joe

I guess causation can be internal or external. Funny how some who have all the benefits/opportunity sometimes turn out bad and others who have no benefits/opportunities turn out good.

I think we are dealing with generational social decay. This is the second young female to do this which till now has been rare. I am afraid it will become commonplace as we move forward.

As for the violence in schools being new, the example of an adult taking out their frustrations on the school isn't quite the same in my eyes. Jut mu .02 FWIW

 

[smithman 10]

At least one of the parents may need to go to jail

She's 15 years old and evidently had access to a handgun.

If it belonged to her parents, they need to be held accountable, as all adults who let a child have access to a gun without their supervision should be.

 

[sigp220.45]

Looks like Dad used to take her to the range.

What a sad case.

 

[Nevada Ed]

I was in public school from '52 through '64, I don't remember ant school shootings. What changed?
Tom B

They took teacher "Control" and punishment out of the class room
to the kids that did not mind or caused trouble.

Some of us even went to a Catholic school !!

 

[SMSgt]

She's 15 years old and evidently had access to a handgun.

If it belonged to her parents, they need to be held accountable, as all adults who let a child have access to a gun without their supervision should be.

I had access to guns as a kid and never shot anyone. Used to go hunting by myself at 12. There's more to the problem, and it's not access to a gun.

 

[AugieTN]

I had access to guns as a kid and never shot anyone. Used to go hunting by myself at 12. There's more to the problem, and it's not access to a gun.

Ditto, same here. I had a .410 shotgun

 

[biku324]

Kids haven't grown up as we did for at least two full generations.

Each worship day you learned and relearned the rules - murder, stealing, cheating, lying, dishonoring parents, cursing, etc., are wrong, or so we heard.

 

[RSBH44]

In addition to a lot of other disturbing stuff She stated in her manifesto that her parents were " abusive" ( no substantiation) and she faked liking to go to the range with her " stupid" father in order to learn how to shoot. From what I've surmised it seems to me that she was disturbed for quite some time and had planned something like this for a while.

 

[wproct]

It's been dozens of years since I attended school. My Mom and Dad were christian and attended church regularly. They used to kind of laugh and say often times the minister's kids were some of the most mischievous ones. Now, understand there is a big difference between being mischievous and shooting someone.

 

[smithman 10]

Couldn't agree more

Kids haven't grown up as we did for at least two full generations.

Each worship day you learned and relearned the rules - murder, stealing, cheating, lying, dishonoring parents, cursing, etc., are wrong, or so we heard.

As I remember, just about every kid I knew back in the 1950s and 60s went to church or synagogue. Whether we were devout or not we had those "rules" implanted in us so often that most of us have a built in brake that helps us stay out of trouble.

We know what's right and what's wrong. I don't always stay on the straight and narrow path but when I stray I know I have done wrong and always regret it.

 

[venomballistics]

As I remember, just about every kid I knew back in the 1950s and 60s went to church or synagogue. Whether we were devout or not we had those "rules" implanted in us so often that most of us have a built in brake that helps us stay out of trouble.

We know what's right and what's wrong. I don't always stay on the straight and narrow path but when I stray I know I have done wrong and always regret it.

if you regret it ... you did it wrong ... that's where the interesting stories come from.
Coed naked road trip ...... that's how it's done

 

[smithman 10]

Got a few stories

But I refrain from telling them most of the time - never know when tales about one's youthful hijinks will offend someone.

 

[venomballistics]

In addition to a lot of other disturbing stuff She stated in her manifesto that her parents were " abusive" ( no substantiation) and she faked liking to go to the range with her " stupid" father in order to learn how to shoot. From what I've surmised it seems to me that she was disturbed for quite some time and had planned something like this for a while.

what seems to be surfacing is a strong probability of indoctrination by the latest version of militant feminist ideology.
She's been short circuited with the movements fascist hate for men.

In a broader view .... traditional gender roles conflict with much of todays ideology of youth. The ideal seems to be one where they seek to be as vanilla as possible while shunning traditionalism.
A boy raised toward the ideals of traditional manhood is labeled toxic, and those not adopting deviancy are tagged with the slur "cis gendered".
It's a different kind of battleground difficult to give a clinical overview.

I used to think of homeschooling as the domain of separatist crackpots, driving sales of Reynolds wrap.
After debating previous school yard tragedies with current educators, my view of this has changed.
Close the schools

 

[venomballistics]

But I refrain from telling them most of the time - never know when tales about one's youthful hijinks will offend someone.

perhaps some could stand to be so offended.
We have enough boring, uninspired people. Be the light