No doubt $$$ is a part of it but it is a little more complicated than that. Prisons are packed and the Courts overwhelmed with more serious criminal cases.
Plus the potheads from the ‘60’s are the policymakers today.
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No doubt $$$ is a part of it but it is a little more complicated than that. Prisons are packed and the Courts overwhelmed with more serious criminal cases.
Plus the potheads from the ‘60’s are the policymakers today.
max503
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The liberal politicians like Illinois' Pritzker could be shooting themselves in the foot by making pot legal. I see it as a good thing if the dopers are allowed to have legal guns. More voters for our side.
IIRC the 4473 asks if you are an illegal user of marijuana. If it's legal in your state I think you can answer NO to that question.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
IIRC the 4473 asks if you are an illegal user of marijuana. If it's legal in your state I think you can answer NO to that question.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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You're wrong. The federal prohibition on use of Marijuana currently overrules state law.
If you answer "NO" your opinion will have no weight if the federal government decides you lied. What you could be charged with is making a false statement on a federal form.
My experience is with Medicare/Medicaid fraud. The federal government works on the assumption that you are a liar, not that you made an error.
If you answer "NO" your opinion will have no weight if the federal government decides you lied. What you could be charged with is making a false statement on a federal form.
My experience is with Medicare/Medicaid fraud. The federal government works on the assumption that you are a liar, not that you made an error.
Wonderful...now Cheech and Chong are going to buy AR's.
venomballistics
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Yes it can kill.You cannot smoke enough to do it, but the edibles can take you to meet your ancestors due to it's delayed reaction.
We had a child in our local news do exactly that.
While the scale tips strongly toward legalization, the opposing scale is by no means empty.
venomballistics
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why? ... they probably already have them
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Just the other component not required for the intended purpose. Smoke damages lungs. Whatever tars and other noxious things.
FWIW, my post was a bit tongue in cheek. The underlying point is not.
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I have known some real potheads, and some others that just smoke a little, once in awhile.
I have known some drinkers that I would consider alcoholics, and others that just drink a couple, once in awhile.
OK, so some of the alcoholics are brain dead, that's a given. But ALL of the casual drinkers live a good life and are good members of society. From that I deduce that it's the VOLUME of alcohol, not the alcohol itself.
OTOH, I have NEVER met anyone that smokes pot that was worth a ****. From THAT I deduce that pot IS a poison.
Of course, this is just my opinion based on lifelong observations.
But it goes further than that. It's simply ILLEGAL. Now it's a moral issue. So, where do you stop? Cheat a little on your income taxes? Speed violently on the interstate because there are no cops around? Yada, yada. Or, worst of all, give your kids an example for them to live by?
But then again, everything I've just said is a moot point. Look at what the government is doing to us honest tax-paying church-going citizens. Might just as well do as we please.....
Where I stand on the "five fingered leaf" is no secret. However, this sub forum/thread is solely for and about gun legislation.
While it is still illegal at the Federal level an open Second Amendment gun forum is not the best place to promote or advocate its use.
While some of you folks that think Reefer Madness was a documentary are searching my post history for disjointed syntax I will be swapping out drool cups.
While it is still illegal at the Federal level an open Second Amendment gun forum is not the best place to promote or advocate its use.
While some of you folks that think Reefer Madness was a documentary are searching my post history for disjointed syntax I will be swapping out drool cups.
Jon651
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Personally, I can see where a ban on M. users owning firearms would certainly be unconstitutional, but I can also clearly see that someone being impaired or under the influence of it USING a firearm would be illegal. This is much like people who drink are not banned from owning a car, just driving the car while drunk is what's illegal.
The gray area (again, for me) is defining what is considered "using" a firearm. I can't yet make an informed opinion if simply carrying a firearm while under the influence should be illegal as there is no direct comparison I can see to "carrying" an automobile while drunk! As humorous as that may sound, it is still a legit point. I'll have to think about it for a while and see if there are any related court decisions out there to rely on.
Harsh baloney.
Me and three friends smoked a lot of pot as teens and into our early 20's, and every one of us served.
One earned a Silver Star in Viet Nam, getting shot up in the process, after recovering built up a very successful auto body shop his two sons now run. He's never stopped smoking pot, says it's the only thing that will let him sleep at night.
Another worked in health care as a dialysis tech for 40 years before retiring, was beloved by his patients for his Don Rickles sense of humor with the patients. Still smokes pot.
The third friend? Retired after 35 years with the state as a wildlife officer out in the field, received a citation for busting a notorious poaching ring.
Me? Vet, marine law enforcement, went on to own my own business, put three kids through college, now helping put grandkids through college.
Meanwhile, the other two friends in our teenage posse, the ones who didained pot but liked to drink? Neither ever stopped, and one died at 65 of liver cancer, the other died last month at the age of 72 of liver cancer.
The guys at their funerals? Two former potheads and two current, all who served their country, paid their taxes, and raised their families right.
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During my younger days, I experimented smoking grass, finding it wasn't for me. I quit, but I have successful friends dating back to those times who have continued to use it recreationally. My career experience in LE/EMS/SAR follows what others have said: I never encountered marijuana users involved in violence, hurting others or themselves; however, alcohol was just the opposite. Nixon initiated the War on Drugs when I was young, and marijuana use was considered a Gateway to worse drug abuse. Times and attitudes have changed.
sigp220.45
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Agreed.
Gimme weed smokers over drinkers any day.
I couldn’t partake during my 33 years of employment by Uncle Sugar (random UAs) but now that I’m retired I may take it up. Its legal here. And I’ve worked with the DEA enough to not worry for a nano-second about them.
Anyone who thinks none of their friends partake either doesn’t have many friends or doesn’t know them well.
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Little daylight left....
Time for a blunt on the beach.
Time for a blunt on the beach.
… opposed to alcohol use and firearms or prescription medication use and firearms or…
Just another of our government’s arbitrary restrictions. Never been a user of grass; never will be a user. In fact, I’ve put many in jail or prison for possessing, selling and using it. However, to say one intoxicating substance is worse than another for purposes of gun ownership is silly. Based on my many years of experience dealing with potheads and drunks, I think potheads are a slightly safer bet.
Just another of our government’s arbitrary restrictions. Never been a user of grass; never will be a user. In fact, I’ve put many in jail or prison for possessing, selling and using it. However, to say one intoxicating substance is worse than another for purposes of gun ownership is silly. Based on my many years of experience dealing with potheads and drunks, I think potheads are a slightly safer bet.
Until they start drug testing to buy firearms(which is ridiculous) , people that smoke pot are going to lie on the 4473 and unless the ffl notices that they smell like or look like they're high out of their mind, nothing will be done about it. Every time I go to my lgs, there are at least a few people at the gun counter that smell like they just got sprayed by a skunk. I just try to move down the counter away from those people so they don't think it's me and go on about my day. I dont worry that those people will buy a gun and proceed to shootthe place up because they were high. Unless we held their taco bell for ransom, I dont see any reason why they would do that.
Marijuana poses much less danger to those that use it, than alcohol or any other mind altering substance. It also poses less danger to those around those that use it than alcohol or anything else. The fact that it's still illegal is ridiculous if you ask me.
Marijuana poses much less danger to those that use it, than alcohol or any other mind altering substance. It also poses less danger to those around those that use it than alcohol or anything else. The fact that it's still illegal is ridiculous if you ask me.
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Well said.
Sure you have. Kind of like gun owners who keep their heads down about it. Just easier then dealing with the blow back.
It's mind boggling to me that we have so many gun owners railing against gun control and speaking to nefarious motivations of those pushing it and to the lack of efficacy of the proposed laws who will in their next breath espouse reefer madness nonsense. I don't smoke weed, but it's a hell of a lot healthier than boozing and damn near all the more productive members of society I know will occasionally smoke some in the same circumstances that one might crack a beer. Give me a choice between which I'd prefer to be my gun-owning neighbor, a heavy pot smoker or a moderately heavy drinker, I'm taking the pot smoker every time.
Everybody wants to be pro-freedom until its time to do pro-freedom stuff. Good on this judge for the ruling and I look forward to continued legalization.
Everybody wants to be pro-freedom until its time to do pro-freedom stuff. Good on this judge for the ruling and I look forward to continued legalization.
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