Marijuana use and firearms

[BSA1]

In addition to the potheads of the ‘60’s now being the policymakers maryjane has a proven medical track record of pain relief.

I don’t smoke or drink alcohol. About three years ago after suffering for many years of lower back pain I had a disc in my back replaced. The result was not what I hoped for and I am having a long painful recovery. I don’t like prescription pain medication due to potential for addiction. My daughter who is retired for the Army due to service connected injury talked me into using Gummies. All I can say is they give me non-addictive pain relief. It doesn’t impair my ability to handle and shoot firearms. As the sheeple, er people lose confidence in the Government they are questioning many of it’s laws.

 

[dockmurgw]

Just say you didn't inhale...worked in the past.

 

[jeffrefrig]

I think if you don't have a card for the dispensary, there's no way they can know if you get high. I've found that the medical grade reefer does nothing to curb my back pain; even the THC oil that comes in one of those "pens" will get you high, real high, but it doesn't do squat for my back pain. I wouldn't go into a store to purchase a gun smelling like I just put out a pile of burning leaves, nor would I try to buy a gun smelling like a bar. It's easy enough to get what you want to smoke without a card, if you choose to smoke it. The law's the law, for now. All we can do is write to our Federal Reps. And good luck with that.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

MJ has been readily available for decades and we wonder why our schools are so bad.
Charlie kicked our butts plenty of times in Vietnam because of drug use among our troops, their encouraging drug use was their version of our planting booby trapped ammunition in their supplies.
The evidence is coming in that MJ smokers have the same incidence of lung cancer, emphysema, etc. as tobacco smokers. Tobacco is much less fashionable, some municipalities are designating public places as "no smoking" areas, many employers have smoking areas that are often some distance from their buildings and they don't care that it's raining or freezing cold.
Here in NJ the police are receiving training on how to recognize drug use in drivers. I'm sure the chemical tests, the instant ones, are not far behind. We had a number of messages on visiting Germany, when I was in the Army there in 1970-71 I saw numerous posters warning us that
drunk driving was a felony and the blood-alcohol test was mandatory and the police could take it by force if necessary. Public roads, public places-do "privacy" rights trump safety. The military has gotten pretty ruthless in barring drug use. Do you want people manning radar sites, communication units, missile sites, manning and maintaining jet planes showing up stoned ? A friend works for the Staten Island Rapid Transit, they refuse applicants who test positive for drug use, employees who fail drug tests are immediately terminated. Violating their rights ?

 

[coltle6920]

One's right to use weed whether it's medical or recreational doesn't override my right to terminate your employment.

 

[ladder13]

I don’t defile the Temple.

 

[venomballistics]

OTOH, I have NEVER met anyone that smokes pot that was worth a ****. From THAT I deduce that pot IS a poison.

Sure you have.
Listening to both sides of the debate, the pot smoking demographic represents somewhere between 10% and 25% of the population.
You can't avoid them.
They exist at every level from the broom pushers to the CEOs

 

[oink]

I think the Feds should just butt out of the issue (un-list it) and let the States decide. It's my understanding that where legalized it hasn't reduced gang related illegal pot involvement. Perhaps the States are too greedy on taxes.

While on the job I dealt with plenty of ne'er-do-wells that were pot smokers/pot heads, and yeah some were violent. I don't buy the bit about pot smokers always being non-violent. I do think that when it comes to non gang related bar/street violence the pot smoker is much less likely to be violent.

I think with children, youth and young adults pot is a very bad idea. There is sufficient evidence to show that it effects mental development and can cause psychosis. No I haven't bookmarked a bunch of studies to link. With youth and adults I sure don't think it helps to encourage practical ambition or initiative. If legalized nationwide it sure would be nice if there was a way to do a better job of keeping it from kids and youth.

I think there is no longer any doubt that marijuana or it's extracts can have beneficial uses. After we were married and pot became verboten my wife lamented not having access as she claimed it was great for menstrual issues.

Overall I think criminalization of pot does more harm than good but it clearly isn't as benign as many claim it to be. As I said, the Feds should just butt out and it shouldn't interact with 2nd issues.

However, my opinion is that having pot play a bigger part in our society is not is not something that will improve it.

 

[biku324]

This thread makes me think I should start a Cheetos and Red Bull vending service route for gunshops and gunshows.

 

[lihpster]

This thread makes me think I should start a Cheetos and Red Bull vending service route for gunshops and gunshows.

You'd have to pay the Girl Scout Mafia 20%, off the top.

 

[luvsmiths]

One's right to use weed whether it's medical or recreational doesn't override my right to terminate your employment.

It does in CT, and has been proven out in Court. If it's state legal, you cannot terminate for that reason. Again, the court said that, not I.
And probably double so with a medical card. The cases they decided did involve medical cards.

I think it was only a few weeks ago that it became legal recreationally here, if that's how it's said.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

IMHO it has been touted as a wonder drug that will treat everything from plantar warts to cancer. That is reason enough to doubt it.
Let the states decide ? No our society has become too fluid and mobile for that. Like the 2A and the RKBA, you end up with a patchwork of laws and regulations.
NJ is an at-will state for terminating employment. Do you want your child's school bus driver, tour bus driver, taxi or limousine, airline crews, trains crews being users ?
I like to quote the words of NJ's then Senator Bill Bradley-D:
"I don't want them poisoning another generation."

 

[Borderboss]

I have no problem with this ruling, and I'm not a pot smoker. There are plenty of other federal laws, and none of them are on the 4473 asking if you've violated any of them. Notice I wrote "violated", not been convicted of violating them. The question asks the person to incriminate themselves. I'm pretty sure there's a constitutional right that everyone has to not be required to do so by the government.

Good work on the part of this judge. This is the same guy I want ruling on the constitutionality of the NFA.

 

[GypsmJim]

Sure you have.
Listening to both sides of the debate, the pot smoking demographic represents somewhere between 10% and 25% of the population.
You can't avoid them.
They exist at every level from the broom pushers to the CEOs

I will have to respectfully disagree.

The ones that I KNOW smoke pot are ALL.....well I can't use the word in public.....so let me just say that they aren't worth much.

But I DO also find that other people fall into the same category. Now, I don't know whether these other "people" smoke or not. So, they might just be "regular" morons.

I'm quite sure that alcohol rots your stomach and liver and such. OK, that's a given. OTOH pot rots your brain. Maybe that's why the pot smokers are so docile compared to alcoholics.

Yeah, broom pushers and CEOs. Hahahahaha, that's a bad comparison. Some of the biggest idiots I ever dealt with are CEOs. I guess now I know why.

Please forgive me for being so adamant on the stoopid thread. It's simply because I lost 2 very close people that were potheads.

 

[kamloops67]

One's right to use weed whether it's medical or recreational doesn't override my right to terminate your employment.

You’d have to hire me first , unless you’re gonna buy my bosss company … then you’d have to fire all of us and then you wouldn’t have a company
People gotta relax , what we do on our own time is nobody’s business really

 

[AlwaysArmed]

Every time I read the Second Amendment I clearly see that every US citizen on US soil has the right to own and carry every type of arms. ANYTHING other that that is totally contrary to the Second Amendment.
AA

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Interesting how people who proclaim their years of sobriety are hailed as heroes, the liquor and beer companies have supported responsible drinking, having dedicated drivers. MADD-Mothers Against Drunk Driving. There are so many programs, nostrums to help people quit smoking, the health problems caused by smoking-second smoke, anyone ?- are well documented but pot smokers are seen as chic and "in", thumbing their noses at Uncle Sam and the government-and the rest of us. And all those tax dollars that were just supposed to roll in......

 

[llowry61]

There are a lot of people using marijuana today. Many more than one would suspect. When I was managing a large vendor network, we had 2 instances where we ran into issues; first was when we introduced drug screening in
our standards, then wrote it in to the contracts stating that all employees would be tested prior to working our projects.

In the first instance we lost a lot of people who had been performing well and in the second instance some vendors were unable to fulfill our staffing requirements.

That was when I realized how many people were smoking weed. It became even trickier when it was legalized in certain states. In the end, we left it in the contract but turned a blind eye to it.

 

[venomballistics]

There are a lot of people using marijuana today. Many more than one would suspect. When I was managing a large vendor network, we had 2 instances where we ran into issues; first was when we introduced drug screening in
our standards, then wrote it in to the contracts stating that all employees would be tested prior to working our projects.

In the first instance we lost a lot of people who had been performing well and in the second instance some vendors were unable to fulfill our staffing requirements.

That was when I realized how many people were smoking weed. It became even trickier when it was legalized in certain states. In the end, we left it in the contract but turned a blind eye to it.

that kinda describes my current work environment.
They dont drug test without reasonable suspicion or following an accident.
They catch users sparkin up some green in the parking lot practically every week.
No telling how many of the retained simply have the sense to smoke off site.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

A gunshop/range I go to across the river in Pennsylvania has a large clearly stating that if you have a medical card you cannot purchase firearms. Pennsylvania has its own background check system and I have been told they keep it up to date.