Martial arts aren't 'real world'......

[GaryS]

Some years back a friend of mine wanted his two daughters to receive some martial arts training.

He went to a number of different training institutions and found that many of them emphasized "Kata", that is form, over actual useful techniques. He finally found one that emphasized effectiveness over Kata and that's where he took them.

 

[Kevin J.]

Good call. The option is to have his girls join the wrestling team. In my opinion it's hard to find a better training system for a young person. Every serious wrestler I have ever met was in great shape and tough as nails, including my 13 year old granddaughter. Plus it's real easy to move to jujitsu or anther martial arts style once you are out of school, or before for that matter. Some of the best MMA/UFC fighters are former wrestlers.

 

[Grayfox]

Many years ago when I was a much younger man, there was this guy in town who ran a martial arts studio. Ti Kwon Do I believe it was. Anyway he had TV commercials for his studio and a big public image of being a tough guy. People who actually knew him said he was a total jerk and a bully.
Anyway, one night in a bar he got into it with this big ol' corn fed farm boy and they decided to take it out back. The martial artist takes a stance and is running his mouth about whipping butt. Farm boy picked up a piece of 2X4 and commenced to beat the hell outta this so called "Master" so bad he ended up in the hospital.

I'm too old to fight,
Too tired to run,
Mess with me and I'll just shoot you and be done with it.

 

[sigp220.45]

I had my own martial art, which served me well in 33 years of pre-taser law enforcement. It consisted of two moves.

Move 1: When possible, jump on the guy's back and apply a vigorous choke hold. Left arm, elbow under the chin, lift and squeeze. The closest it came to not working was on a suspected bank robber who launched our combined 400 pounds backwards into a wall. We broke the wall, but I held the choke and he "did the chicken" as Roscoe Rules would say.

Move 2: From the front, apply the Motorola radio to the center of the face with all the force my wimpy arms could deliver. They didn't call those radios "bricks" for nothing. I would already have it in my hand so the element of surprise was with me. Then apply Move 1 if necessary.

Either of these would get a cop today fired. Glad I'm retired.

 

[walkin jack]

All that looks soooo cool. Wish I'd learned that kind of stuff. Now I'm way too old and slow and the bones are way to brittle. This is kinda bad news for any one who might want to try to mug me now a days. In stead of a good old Texas whippin' you get a .45 hollow point or two

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

Many years ago when I was a much younger man, there was this guy in town who ran a martial arts studio. Ti Kwon Do I believe it was. Anyway he had TV commercials for his studio and a big public image of being a tough guy. People who actually knew him said he was a total jerk and a bully.
Anyway, one night in a bar he got into it with this big ol' corn fed farm boy and they decided to take it out back. The martial artist takes a stance and is running his mouth about whipping butt. Farm boy picked up a piece of 2X4 and commenced to beat the hell outta this so called "Master" so bad he ended up in the hospital.

I'm too old to fight,
Too tired to run,
Mess with me and I'll just shoot you and be done with it.

I've known about several cases like this not too dissimilar to the situation you describe.
I have found in personal experience that while knowledge of martial arts is good, it is not perfect nor the end all to any combat or defensive situation.
I've seen black belts beaten to unconciousness in bar fights by someone who was only a street fighter.
Martial arts does not make you Captain America...in most cases, you are going to get hurt using it...or even charges filed against you and civil suits regardless of the situation.

My dad told me that the only fight you win is the one you walk away from...one way or the other...leave the fair fight for the boxing ring.

At my age, I am not going to go hand to hand with anyone...but I am going to go home at the end of the day and I think everyone here knows what I mean.

 

[Turn4811]

During the 50's my dad was a hand-to-hand instructor in the Air Force where he taught Judo to pilots. He taught me when I was a teenager but also the best call was always to walk away.

The only time I had to defend myself in high school I had a senior picking on me when I was a sophomore. I tried a throw-over head lock maneuver on a guy that had 50 lbs on me. I failed the move but ended up doing a wrestling DDT bouncing his skull on the floor. It knocked him out. I got lucky.

Dumb luck and skill of those involved all play a part.

 

[ParadiseRoad]

...be careful of those old Golden Gloves guys too...

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyOqBhc4r8c[/ame]

 

[Fishslayer]

Dunno about martial arts but the young lady that runs the rescue I volunteer at can pick up a 90# pitty and toss it in the back of my truck.

I would not mess with her.

 

[Fishslayer]

...be careful of those old Golden Gloves guys too...

Lights out for that one guy!

The one getting up coulda maybe used a boot to the crotchal area.

That is one tough ol' boy!

 

[Imissedagain]

i have a personal "body guard"...my grand daughter......she will be receiving her Taekwondo black belt next month.....

Working out on beach sand is TOUGH!!!
Great way to train.
A buddy smart mouthed a young girl who just moved to NYC from Israel, we were all 13-14, and she threw sand in his face and took him off his feet quickly.
We all fell in love!

Kata number 38 and 45 are my favorites.

 

[S&WsRsweet]

I use the Mike Tyson self defense system .If I can't knock you out I'll grab you and bite heck out of ya .One or two times and the word gets around .To this day I can walk my home town and even the good people keep their distance . Keep a spare pair of dentures in an ISWB holster as back up.

 

[BigBill]

All a bunch of WIMPS!

YouTube

Split second thinking, split second timing, you need bring the attack fast to the bad guy.

Use your assets, what your good at. I have very fast hand speed. Never judge a book by its cover.

 

[kamloops67]

I have a friend who has competed in and taught judo for many years. He works out several hours a day at his dojo.

A few years ago, a guy came up behind my buddy. The guy ended up with a broken leg.

The whole thing took perhaps 2 seconds.

This isn't a skill level that can be developed by anyone other than those who start early in life and dedicate themselves to skill development and maintenance

By the way, the guy who ended up with the broken leg was a friend of my buddy's: he'd walked up on him and startled him.[

 

[kamloops67]

Ok i accidently posted that ,was going to reply then realized my opinion wasnt worth the effort to type or read
Cant delete it

 

[Huskerguy]

Well, I don't have a video of this one! I was teaching at a technical college and had a student who was generally a decent kid but worked all night and was known to do some drugs to get him alert. We came back from a morning break after a morning of him falling asleep in the classroom. I opened the door and started walking down a long straight area to my office and his time clock. He started running and screaming as he came into the building and jumped on my back and started choking me. I warned him several times as he kept laughing and pulling it tighter on my neck. Finally I did a move where I lift my legs up out in front of me using his choke hold as leverage and then I slam my legs down while reaching back to grab him as we both head towards the floor. Done properly it will drive the attackers head into the ground if I tuck mine. I didn't want that as we were on concrete. I grabbed him by the back of the head as he was going down, stepped over him and did a heal palm all in one move. He was laying there looking up at me with blood running out his nose. He came to his senses and apologized as I was catching my breath.

Another time my wife and I were with two other couples and we dropped the ladies off at a movie and we parked the car around the corner. As we waited a light to cross the street a car slammed to a stop and two guys got out and started yelling at us, one had a knife. I was behind two much bigger guys, friends of mine. There was a short time of yelling back and forth and the guy with the knife started advancing. I pushed through the two bigger friends and towards the guy with the knife. As I went towards him I told him he had 10 seconds to put that knife away or I was going to take it away from him and I was prepared to do so. He started backing up and got in the car and they sped off.

It works but really you need to know what you are doing, have confidence in your abilities and most of all, be in shape. Nothing worse than to try a move you did 20 years ago but now the legs don't move like that!

 

[Absalom]

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It works but really you need to know what you are doing, have confidence in your abilities and most of all, be in shape. Nothing worse than to try a move you did 20 years ago but now the legs don't move like that!

My martial arts experience and ability is so many decades past its expiration date that my skills are likely barely good enough to shove a girl scout so she drops the box of cookies

But this is really the heart of the matter. Martial arts and guns are both tools in the toolbox. With both, you need to know what you're doing, and if you don't or are out of practice, you can get yourself in trouble.

Ideally, it's not an "either .. or". The precision of movement you have drilled into you with any school of martial arts (I'm currently spending a lot of time at kempo karate dojos and competitions because friends and their children are heavily involved) is exactly what you also need for confident and instinctive gun handling; I know that because I'm also teaching some of those "karate kids" to shoot.

Besides, it gives you more options. Bad shootings can and do result from folks finding themselves in situations where suddenly they see no option but to shoot, because they have no other skills, and like it or not, the majority of interpersonal confrontations in our society do not justify the use of deadly force.

 

[mmb617]

About 30 years ago I was in a Tang Soo Do class that one student was stuck one level below black belt because the instructor wouldn't allow him to take the test. The reason being that although he was quite proficient at fighting and forms, the instructor said he didn't have the proper attitude.

It was well known that this guy worked as a bouncer at a pretty rough bar. Nothing wrong with that, but it was also well known that he enjoyed beating guys up, often just because he could. I always expected one of the guys he beat on to come back and shoot him.

So this guy was really feeling his oats and finally he got mad at the instructor and challenged him to a match. Not for points, but a full contact match till submission. The instructor broke that guys arm during the very one sided match and that was the last I heard of him.

The moral of the story to me is no matter how bad you think you are, there's somebody badder out there. And the best martial artist is just as vulnerable to a bullet as an untrained guy. Hand to hand fighting skills don't mean as much as they once did because now the bad guy just shoots you.

 

[Inusuit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCantu357 View Post
Martial arts are a great skill, real world or not. That being said, a Remington .357 SJHP at 1450 fps makes for a better defensive art!
Wise_A: I would point out that while a gun gives you the ability to kill, being able to not kill is just as useful.

Interesting statement. Are you suggesting to shoot to wound or to avoid altogether?

I won't presume to second guess Wise_A. Avoid altogether is always a good option. My opinion, there are situations where an aggressive or drunk individual needs to be restrained but lethal force is not justified. Martial arts training can provide the methods to do so when even physical harm is not appropriate. Think drunk cousin or ex-boy friend shows up at a family event.

 

[Old cop]

I had my share of struggles on the street and I used a couple of techniques that ended things quickly. These normally involved twisting an arm or hand, or a hard shove to knock someone over. If that failed I went to a blackjack or baton, but that was rarely necessary. We were trained in the academy (1968) by some fancy martial arts guy w/moves so complicated you'd need years of training before even trying to apply one. I hope the training is better now.

 

[Rastoff]

I won't presume to second guess Wise_A. Avoid altogether is always a good option.

Neither would I presume, that's why I asked. Over a year later I still haven't received a response.

The best fight is always no fight. An overzealous drunk isn't a life threatening event.

 

[MaricopaKid]

I have studied this subject quite extensively. I find the most brutal martial art is karaoke.

 

[ContinentalOp]

I have studied this subject quite extensively. I find the most brutal martial art is karaoke.

I think that'd be excessive force under all but lethal situations.

 

[REM 3200]

I had my own martial art, which served me well in 33 years of pre-taser law enforcement. It consisted of two moves.

Move 1: When possible, jump on the guy's back and apply a vigorous choke hold. Left arm, elbow under the chin, lift and squeeze. The closest it came to not working was on a suspected bank robber who launched our combined 400 pounds backwards into a wall. We broke the wall, but I held the choke and he "did the chicken" as Roscoe Rules would say.

Move 2: From the front, apply the Motorola radio to the center of the face with all the force my wimpy arms could deliver. They didn't call those radios "bricks" for nothing. I would already have it in my hand so the element of surprise was with me. Then apply Move 1 if necessary.

Either of these would get a cop today fired. Glad I'm retired.

"Move 1" should be to get him to turn around so you can use "move 2".

 

[Grayfox]

 

[Rastoff]

The whole concept of "martial arts" not being real world is stupid. The words themselves belie that kind of thinking:

mar·tial
/ˈmärSHəl/
adjective: martial
of or appropriate to war; warlike.

art
/ärt/
noun: art; plural noun: arts; plural noun: the arts
a skill at doing a specified thing, typically one acquired through practice.

It literally means the skill of fighting. The tool (gun, sword, knife, club, etc.) is completely irrelevant. So, if you use a gun for self-defense, it is a martial art. If you use a chair, it's a martial art. If you use your empty hands, it's a martial art.

Personally I don't care what you do or use as long as you do something. Don't be a sheep, be the shepherd.

 

[DeathGrip]

I'm a has been.

 

[Rudi]

I took Karate back in the early 1970s because "everybody was kung fu fighting." It was cool, I could do the splits! I could kick you in the side of the head while standing 18in from you. God to be young again. Fast forward to the late 1980s. I'm driving past a popular watering hole, when this moron runs out the door. He does a swan dive into the back of my truck! I can see 2 women looking out the window, aghast. I pull over, get out, he's laughing like a maniac. I jump out, and boom, all my training kicks in. He jumps out, grabs a piece of 4x4 out of the bed and wings it my head from across the bed. Blocked it off, chased around the truck and put a whoopin on him. Just like I learned all those years before. The cops came, sorted it all out. I didn't press charges as I was leaving for a job elsewhere. The cops were happy to see him in that state. He was hurtin for certin. Training pays off.