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[BC38]

Well, not to be wet blanket re the sea level isn't rising, but the counter arguments to the above are discussed here, for those with interest:

Is sea-level rise exaggerated? – Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

That's all well and good...

HOWEVER when you consider that (per the article you linked) "Scientists have been tracking sea level along coastlines using tidal gauges for more than a century. And since the 1990s (roughly 30 years), satellite measurements have given them an even more complete view of sea level over the global ocean. Those data unequivocally (really? How do you define "unequivocally"?) show a rise in sea level. Averaged over the entire ocean, the increases are small—just three millimeters per year, or about the width of two grains of rice laid side by side." - So what you are talking about is an EXTREMELY small sample size, taken over a VERY short period of time when compared to the scale of time that these climate alarmists are talking about.These time periods are statistically NOTING when compared to the time scales that these trends are being extrapolated into.

Basically, what it amounts to is that these climate alarmists are looking at a very short "window" of time, and from that they are trying to predict "trends" that they *think* they see FAR into the future to predict where those trends will end up - sometime in the next several decades, or centuries.

THAT is NOT science. THAT is an agenda-driven prediction that is based on the per-conceived notion that humans are the root cause - and therefore the potential solution - to the perceived "problem".

Unfortunately, their computer models are GIGO - Garbage In = Garbage Out.

If you feed biased biased data into the computer model you will get (predictably) biased results out of the computer model.
That is the quintessential definition of GIGO.

My apologies for having veered off the "memes" theme of the thread.

 

[SMSgt]

I'm not the brightest bulb in the box so maybe my reasoning is faulty. If you fill a glass with ice and water to the very rim and set it out so the ice melts, as the ice melts the water level does not rise to overflow the glass.
What am I missing?

When water freezes into ice, it expands. Otherwise, ice would sink. Conversely, melting ice shrinks as it returns to liquid form. Melting icebergs won't have much effect. Melting glaciers, on the other hand . . .

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Onomea]

That's all well and good...

Okay by me, bro. Believe whatever you want to believe. Most folks do.

Carry on.

 

[BC38]

Okay by me, bro. Believe whatever you want to believe. Most folks do.

Carry on.

And right back atcha bud...

For those of us who haven't had our thinking subverted by the collective mentality of other cultures, and regardless of the popular narrative, there is FAR more evidence for cyclic climate change than there ever has been to support the arrogant humanistic assumption of anthropomorphic climate change.

Feel free to believe and support whatever viewpoint you like - regardless of any and all REAL evidence to the contrary...

 

[oldbrownhat]

Getting away from the brouhaha over ice for a moment...

 

[mtgianni]

It would be tough to get my shredded wheat any drier? And the Trix is gone to quick to need resealing.

Our grandkids cut the top with scissors and we use a clip on it. It does take an extra 7 seconds in the morning but things stay fresh.

 

[mtgianni]

FWIW, you are correct. The level of the liquid in a container full of ice and water will not rise as the ice melts. Due to the expansion water experiences when freezing, ice displaces roughly 7% less volume than the water that makes up the ice.

So roughly 7% of a piece of ice sticks up above the level of the surrounding water. As the ice melts there is less of it floating above the level of the surrounding liquid water, and when the ice is completely melted the level of the water will remain the same. This is a basic physics principle of buoyancy.

The ASSUMPTION behind your post is that the ice in question is floating in the water. However, the theory of the climatologists is that the polar ice caps that are melting are NOT floating in the water - they are sitting on solid land. So as that ice melts the water from the ice caps will run off into the surrounding oceans and thereby RAISE the level of the water.

Unfortunately for these climatologists, this has NOT proven to be the case. The ocean levels have not raised appreciably in the short period of time that humans have been recording such measurements. What's more, a fair number of the same people who are most loudly and vehemently proclaiming the impending doom of rising ocean levels brought on by climate change, are at the same time also buying ocean-front property in locations like Martha's Vineyard.

That begs the question: if they REALLY believe the oceans are rising due to climate change, and that the coastal areas of the exiting continents will soon be flooded as a result, then why the HELL are so many of them buying multi-million dollar coastal estates that, according to their claims about climate change, will soon end up UNDERWATER? It just doesn't make sense.

Something about this picture just doesn't pass the "sniff-test".
Either they don't believe the theories they are pushing about climate change raising the levels of the oceans, which means they are LYING to us, or they are idiots to be investing in ocean-front properties which will soon be underwater. Either way this brings up the question of whether or not we should rely on their judgement about such matters.

THEY can't have it BOTH ways...

I remember hearing or reading that during the winter at Cape Horn the Atlantic can be as much as 10 feet higher than the Pacific due to the prevailing currents. Then you have the wind from the west with nothing to stop it, and the South American coast funneling it to the Horn. The result is a 1000 mile long 10' waterfall straight into a 40-50 mile headwind. Tough on sailing ships.

That also means that in places sea level isn't always sea level due to currents.

 

[steelslaver]

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[PALADIN85020]

I will not comment on the veracity of this one...

John

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[soFlaNative]

High tide vs. Low tide?

Crushed ice will drop the temp just a tad under 32*

 

[steelslaver]

 

[steelslaver]

In the Bering Sea the water gets below 30 degrees before it freezes. Salt and movement. The spray freezes quick.

Pictures of objects at "sea level" taken years apart mean nothing without factoring in the tides and currents. Close to the summer solstice the tide near Plymouth rock varies 11 ft. Tidal currents and winds being with or against the tide can add or subtract from that.

 

[CGhelofxr]

So you have challeng of not bust the bag open and spilling cereal everywhere

 

[woodsltc]

Here's a few: Don

 

[Rustyt1953]