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Comrad
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There are a lot of governments that know more than they are saying. Who was it that detected a sea floor event? Hello, a sea floor event in the middle of the ocean. 
There are sensors and hydrophones all over the planet. Nothing moves without Big Brother hearing about it.
There are sensors and hydrophones all over the planet. Nothing moves without Big Brother hearing about it.Just left my local gun shop. The wife of the owner said someone just told her the airliner was found with all on board alive. She said the individual told her it was found in the Bermuda Triangle. Gun shop owner looked at her very seriously and said please don't repeat that to anyone else.
CNN "creating news" (When you've run out of things to say),,,,,,,,,,,
"We're looking into the possibility that the US is investigating the possibility that the plane may possibly have headed toward the Andaman Islands".
Also on CNN today you'll be comforted to know that they showed viewers a step by step guide from the inside of a 777 simulator how to
A) disable the transponder
B) Squawk a hijack code
C) Disable ACARS
BRILLIANT!
"We're looking into the possibility that the US is investigating the possibility that the plane may possibly have headed toward the Andaman Islands".
Also on CNN today you'll be comforted to know that they showed viewers a step by step guide from the inside of a 777 simulator how to
A) disable the transponder
B) Squawk a hijack code
C) Disable ACARS
BRILLIANT!
Comrad
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Got to love the news, we also learned this week how they protect the cockpit when going out for food or bio breaks, Good info to help us find a way to breach security. Can't wait till they demonstrate which airports are vunerable with lax security so copy cats can commandeer additional airliners.
pluspea
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Next thing to expect is for them to run around with their arms outstretched making airplane noises.
smokindog
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All of them.
Two points. First, a 777 is not going to land on a "little drug smuggling landing strip".
Second, even if it could, now what? It certainly couldn't take off from that strip. I think a 777 takes well over a mile to take off.
pluspea
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Saw on the news that a pilot landed a big plane like that on a short runway, they stated that they had to take it apart and put it back together somewhere else.
Doesn't change the facts. Even if it could be landed, it can't take off. Taking it apart would involve more people, a fair amount of equipment, and of course a way to transport all of the components.
pluspea
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Wasn't saying it was practical, just that that had been the case in the particular incident I was referring to. The pilot had made an error in choosing the wrong strip. It could only be done by professionals.
Comrad
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Where's that part of the world's Groom Lake? Assuming there is a place for research and development in that neck of the woods.
NYTimes.com | BREAKING NEWS Friday, March 14, 2014 5:00 PM EDT
Sharp Changes in Altitude and Course After Jet Lost Contact, Radar Shows
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.
The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the country's largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean.
The data, while incomplete and difficult to interpret, could still provide critical new clues as investigators try to determine what transpired on Flight 370, which disappeared early last Saturday carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
Sharp Changes in Altitude and Course After Jet Lost Contact, Radar Shows
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.
Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.
The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the country's largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean.
The data, while incomplete and difficult to interpret, could still provide critical new clues as investigators try to determine what transpired on Flight 370, which disappeared early last Saturday carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
ChuckS1
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Let me see if I have this part of this saga straight. In a post 9/11 world a 600 mph missile was doing acrobatics above Malaysian territory and the Malaysian military, who supposedly is now finally letting us in on their little radar peep show, didn't see fit to send a bird up to see what the hell was going on? Was this followed up with "and we're sticking to it" at the end of their story?
Now that you mention it, Mr. Smith, that lack of responsiveness may help explain Malaysia's reluctance to share the information in a timely fashion.
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That is because IF the government used covert sources and/or methods then the information obtained is NONE of the public's business!!!
LVSteve
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Here's a couple of radical theories.
1) Nobody knows. Yeah, I know that does suit the Connected World but it can still happen, really.
2) There are some that do know, but the national security rules of their nation prevent them from helping. People can get stubborn about that kind of stuff.
3) Despite the transponder apparently being switched off, I still wonder about a Payne Stewart type event.
1) Nobody knows. Yeah, I know that does suit the Connected World but it can still happen, really.
2) There are some that do know, but the national security rules of their nation prevent them from helping. People can get stubborn about that kind of stuff.
3) Despite the transponder apparently being switched off, I still wonder about a Payne Stewart type event.
BINGO! Just as described in Mr. Comrad's comment earlier in this thread. Here is the link he provided to the manufacturing information about the plane's airframe defect that led to loss of oxygen: Was There A Problem With The MH370 Boeing 777-200 Aircraft??
Everything still pretty much fits with all of the information we currently have about the event. Once the airframe lost enough oxygen and everyone was unconscious, the plane kept flying . . . with no conscious pilots and unconscious passengers' phones ringing, unanswered as anxious relatives called.
Admittedly, I get some of my best exercise jumping to conclusions.
Straightshooter2
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The ACARS was supposedly disabled but ARINC engineers designed that system so that a portion of it still operates even when turned off. This is the system that would report the aircraft out of the gate, off the ground, on the ground and in the gate automatically. Prior to that, we had to get the official times from the flight crew by radio or written down and turned in to Operations. If this aircraft landed anywhere, the system should have automatically sent a message showing on the ground and a message showing when the wheels stopped.
To me, erratic changes in altitude and heading plus climbing above max recommended flight level indicate someone trying to get used to the controls and flying the aircraft at night. This would not be normal for an experienced flight crew. To me, this is looking more and more like a hijacking and not a flight crew initiated event.
CW
To me, erratic changes in altitude and heading plus climbing above max recommended flight level indicate someone trying to get used to the controls and flying the aircraft at night. This would not be normal for an experienced flight crew. To me, this is looking more and more like a hijacking and not a flight crew initiated event.
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You're assuming there actually were erratic changes in altitude. We really don't know there were, do we? We're told there were, but in the same burst of info they also told us the plane dropped 40,000 feet in a minute, which, even if it were possible would almost certainly not be survivable. Then, after miraculously pulling out of a meteoric dive the plane then headed west, then northwest, then west, then turned (get this) either north or south!
Huh? It turned? We declare that we know it turned but we can't figure out if it went North or South, right or left? Was there a cloud in our way or were we in the middle of some unreported magnetic polar flip at the time!
There has been so much inaccurate information about this incident reported over the last week that there shouldn't be any question what story wins this years Bullitzer Prize.
Why "news organizations" are willing to peddle "a high ranking source", "a source not authorized to speak", "the (?) Malaysian military" The? Really? Who is The"? Get some people at the mike willing to put their John Hancock on the bank note. There are no credible sources. The media, which normally is a fantastic retail source for compost has assumed the role of wholesaler on this one.
Even supposed official statements are clouded by confusion, like Rolls Royce "Rolls-Royce concurs with the statement made on Thursday, 13 March by Malaysia's Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein regarding engine health monitoring data received from the aircraft." That statement by the way was a denial that they received any data from the engines after the transponder was lost. In fact, another statement suggested they didn't receive any further data after 14 minutes prior to the loss of the transponder. Yet the media has, all day continued on with the narrative that the plane communicated for 5 hours. I suppose "We haven't been able to find anyone who is willing to go on record with the truth about what they know" is a pretty tough sentence for them to choke out of their mouths.
They have no shame.
BigBill
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I think our government won't let the rest of the world know about what our advanced technology can do.
I heard on the news the US told them to look in the Indian ocean. The country there seemed arrogant towards the US suggestion.
I heard on the news the US told them to look in the Indian ocean. The country there seemed arrogant towards the US suggestion.
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This is my thought also. Some computer savvy tech folks on board. Did someone bring stuff to sell/ trade somewhere? Was there someone on board who was traveling low key who was not well appreciated by someone else, and they REALLY wanted to be rid of that person??
I hope they find this dang plane quickly and get back to the Ukraine situation.
I believe we are now down to a fuchsia pastel colored line in the sand, and there are an awful lot of tanks lining up on the sidelines for this weekends' repatriation party.
With the bang up job we are doing there, I can not imagine why the media is so captivated by a plane which was obviously taken by aliens.........
LVSteve
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Consider Bullitzer Prize stolen. +100 on the rest of your post.
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That was because of the engine telemetry signals which are received via satellite in real time and relayed to Boeing, Airbus, etc. computers for enhanced engine performance data collection.
Evidently around 4hrs of data collection post transponder signal termination. Usually they do not track those signals for the location, but rather simply to read operating conditions on the engines. I guess they just back pedaled and figured which satellite picked up at what time, and worked from there.
This just popped up on breakingnews.com
"The Associated Press is reporting an anonymous Malaysian official said investigators have concluded that the missing Malaysia Airlines flight was hijacked. This has not yet been confirmed."
Perfect example of what is being passed off as "news".
An anonymous official said un-named investigators have concluded the plane they can't find was hijacked by people unknown. But, of course, none of that is confirmed!
Where in blue blazes do they get these writers, Washington?
"The Associated Press is reporting an anonymous Malaysian official said investigators have concluded that the missing Malaysia Airlines flight was hijacked. This has not yet been confirmed."
Perfect example of what is being passed off as "news".
An anonymous official said un-named investigators have concluded the plane they can't find was hijacked by people unknown. But, of course, none of that is confirmed!
Where in blue blazes do they get these writers, Washington?
LVSteve
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"Don't worry about accuracy, just be first". It's in big letters on the walls of all media offices.
Straightshooter2
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No we don't. My assumption is based on what has been reported and 34 years with Delta. If what's reported changes, I'll change my ideas of what happened. In actuality, until the plane is found and the flight data recorders are retrieved, everything is an assumption.
CW
Well, you won't have to wait long for that. At every turn what's being reported changes. My point was that what has been reported hasn't been the truth. But with 34 years at Delta I'm sure I don't have to suggest to you that you don't recover from a 40,000 foot drop in altitude in a minute's time. do I. Besides, it's official, as of just a few minutes ago Malaysian officials have "concluded" it was a hijacking. Now, if they could only figure out how, who, why, and where we all could go home. That is, unless they find something like the FDR or CVR pointing to a mechanical. But heck, what are the chances of that happening at this point?
My best friend steps into the cockpit of a 747 every week to fly from San Fran to that neighborhood, and has for many years. So, FWIW there is more than a cursory interest in the final determination of this incident at this end.
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