I have a model 10-8 revolver. I was wondering whether or not this firearm can safely handle +p ammo. Does anyone know for sure? I emailed S&W and did not get a reply. Thank you.
Model 10 and +P?
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I have a model 10-8 revolver. I was wondering whether or not this firearm can safely handle +p ammo. Does anyone know for sure? I emailed S&W and did not get a reply. Thank you.
Pisgah
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No problem with +P in a 10-8. I Believe S&W Ok's any K frame that is a numbered model for use with +P. The fact is that today's +P is really about the equal of standard loads 50+ years ago.
I had the same question on this subject this week and I found out that any m10 made after 1958 with heavy barrel if I am not mistaken are able to handle +Ps rounds. When I called S&W C/S,the guy told me not constantly but you can use them sparingly. rz625-8
devilfrog1911
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The +P ammo will be no problem in your 10-8. In fact, I doubt you'd be able to wear it out if you wanted
I called S&W customer service yesterday about using +P in my 10-5 6". I gave him S/N of my revolver, and he said "no" to +P ammo. From what I've read here about model 10's, they seem to be one of the most durable S&W revolvers around. If I'd call S&W again and talked with another C/S person, I might get a different answer. Probably a liability issue or something. ---Andy
[lang=cs]poradíte mi rok výroby mého SW model 10-8? Má rukověť hogue monogrip, na pravé straně hlavně je 38 SW special CTG, na rámu rukověti je T v kruhu, H v trojůhelníku a na druhé straně je vyraženo E19, E6 a 2. není čitelné sériové číslo. Spoušť je vroubkovaná. V rámu jsou 3 šrouby. Barva černá. Střelivo +P je pro tento model v pořádku? Díky Jan[/lang]
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DWFAN
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This question is starting to ware me out. The K frame is offered in .357 magnum. Nuff said.
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Jack Flash
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I doubt that you could wear it out if you tried.
Let's reason together: Most people do not even shoot a box of ammo a month. If you did, that would still only be 600 rounds per year. People who shoot more than that usually have more than one gun they're shooting, so any one of their guns stays under 600 / year.
At that rate, you would be 20 years firing 12,000 rounds. I think your Model 10 would have no problem with that, even if it was all +P.
Let's reason together: Most people do not even shoot a box of ammo a month. If you did, that would still only be 600 rounds per year. People who shoot more than that usually have more than one gun they're shooting, so any one of their guns stays under 600 / year.
At that rate, you would be 20 years firing 12,000 rounds. I think your Model 10 would have no problem with that, even if it was all +P.
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Gary7
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I don't believe that's true at all. The published ballistics from the 30s right up into the 60s was all based on testing done in unvented barrels. Modern testing is done in vented barrels to more accurately reflect the performance of the round in an actual revolver. Hence, modern published ballistics tend to show lower performance levels than those of 50+ years ago.
True. But S&W did tweak the K-Frame a little for 357 use. From what I've read, the only 38 K-Frame that's the same as the 357 K-Frame are the bull-barrel models.
DWFAN
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Gary, the only K frame that S&W changed was the Model 19. All the others are the same. I think use off the heavy barrel was to help control the gun. The forcing cone and threaded part of the barrel are the same and this is were all the fun happens.
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Gary7
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Gary, the only K frame that S&W changed was the Model 19. All the others are the same. I think use off the heavy barrel was to help control the gun. The forcing cone and threaded part of the barrel are the same and this is were all the fun happens.
DW
Not according to "The Book":
Page 136: "[The Combat Magnum "Pre-Model 19" is] built on the square butt, four-screw K target frame that is slightly larger than a standard K Frame in the yoke area."
Page 174: "Frames are slightly different between heavy barrel and tapered barrel variations [of the Model 10]."
Page 225: "Heavy barrel frame and tapered barrel frame [versions of the Model 64] have slight differences at the yoke."
I interpret all this to mean that the heavy barrel 38 Special K-Frames use the same frame as the Model 19, which also uses a heavy barrel.
same frame as the 19...
that would include all of the k framed .357's. like the 65 and 66?
that would include all of the k framed .357's. like the 65 and 66?
DWFAN
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The only difference is the area on top of the front of the frame. It extends a bit further than a tapered barrel version. The model 19 extends all the way to the front of the frame.
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Gary7
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What I think it means is that if it's a heavy barrel 38 K-Frame (stainless or blue), it's the same frame as a 357 K-Frame (stainless or blue). In other words, a Model 64 heavy barrel in 38 Special has the same frame as a Model 65 in 357 Magnum. A Model 10 heavy barrel in 38 Special has the same frame as a Model 13 and 19 in 357 Magnum.
stiab
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Could be, the 'Book' says the M547 used the magnum frame, and it was HB.
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