Model 27 or Model 19 ?
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...not to mention the beautifully checkered top strap/rib of a vintage 27, as opposed to the hideous attempt atop the Classic 27. The last of the 27 family to have a true checkered top end was the 627, 627-0 and the 627-1, but it has the new sight base. What's more the flagship shouldn't have any of the current external child proofing.
I would also skip the Classic models. I love the original 19 but for .357 magnum I'd choose the original 27. The N-framed 27 can withstand the magnum rounds while the 19 you have to be careful. The 27s are around but you have to go on a hunt.
rincar
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Spend a little more and get a 5inch 27-2. They are beautiful Revolvers. Trust me you will not be sorry. From what you have written you want a 27-2 and you will not be happy until you get one. The best of luck finding your dream Revolver.
Ackley1952
Member
Since I'm going to die on the same day no matter which I pick, I think I'll just go first class.
The 4inch barreled Model 19 is my favorite .357 revolver. Never did get much into N frames although I do have a 4inch Model 29-3. Everyone should own a M29.
Part of my fear of getting a really nice blued excellent condition 27-2 or 27 no dash is that I would end up just caressing it and be afraid of shooting it based on collectible value, which has pretty much handicapped my 2 nickel extremely nice 27-2s.
But then again I heard an old man want to say" if you don't shoot those guns and you keep them I like jewelry, do you know what somebody's gonna do with them when you die? They're going to Shoot those guns."
Do Any of the L frame 586 have as nice bluing as old 27s?
I got to admit I'm a bit mesmerized and addicted to the checker cutting on the model 27s and I don't really mind the size as I have other guns I could carry such as 3 inch king cobra and plenty of high capacity Springfield X DM's and glocks.
Whoever mentioned the Dan Wesson 15 Dash two it's not necessarily that far off I've owned several of them and I never thought the bluing on most of them was great but I did acquire one as part of the set with three barrels for a great price that I will never sell that does have awesome bluing and 6, 4 and I believe 2 1/2 inch barrels
Just to confirm the model 19s do Mot have the checker cutting on the top is that correct?
I also think the guy who mentioned the 327 options I actually did on a 327 or eight but did not find it to be particularly accurate and sold it I already have a 5 inch 627 PC
So I'm strictly looking for a blue gun with a great finish could go with a 4 inch barrel I suppose guess I was just looking for something a little bit different if I could get a 5 inch 586 or a 4 inch 586 with truly excellent blue and it compares to the quality of the model 27 or old model 29 I'd probably do that otherwise I might still be leaning to a new model "classic " 27 or 19.
The reviews online of the new model classics are so all over the place that I don't think they are to be trusted the one that makes the most sense for square the old armor goes through and shows why MIM partsj and modern production processes can actually be superior to the old guns mechanically just because an old craftsman spent hours slaving over an older model gun does not mean the gun is better it just means the old process of hammering things out was much rougher and required a lot of grunt work on the guns that is no longer necessary due to modern machining
But then again I heard an old man want to say" if you don't shoot those guns and you keep them I like jewelry, do you know what somebody's gonna do with them when you die? They're going to Shoot those guns."
Do Any of the L frame 586 have as nice bluing as old 27s?
I got to admit I'm a bit mesmerized and addicted to the checker cutting on the model 27s and I don't really mind the size as I have other guns I could carry such as 3 inch king cobra and plenty of high capacity Springfield X DM's and glocks.
Whoever mentioned the Dan Wesson 15 Dash two it's not necessarily that far off I've owned several of them and I never thought the bluing on most of them was great but I did acquire one as part of the set with three barrels for a great price that I will never sell that does have awesome bluing and 6, 4 and I believe 2 1/2 inch barrels
Just to confirm the model 19s do Mot have the checker cutting on the top is that correct?
I also think the guy who mentioned the 327 options I actually did on a 327 or eight but did not find it to be particularly accurate and sold it I already have a 5 inch 627 PC
So I'm strictly looking for a blue gun with a great finish could go with a 4 inch barrel I suppose guess I was just looking for something a little bit different if I could get a 5 inch 586 or a 4 inch 586 with truly excellent blue and it compares to the quality of the model 27 or old model 29 I'd probably do that otherwise I might still be leaning to a new model "classic " 27 or 19.
The reviews online of the new model classics are so all over the place that I don't think they are to be trusted the one that makes the most sense for square the old armor goes through and shows why MIM partsj and modern production processes can actually be superior to the old guns mechanically just because an old craftsman spent hours slaving over an older model gun does not mean the gun is better it just means the old process of hammering things out was much rougher and required a lot of grunt work on the guns that is no longer necessary due to modern machining
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rincar
Member
When I had a triple by pass in 2011. I had to quit smoking and could not eat a lot of the foods I liked. I was down in the dumps. I had my wife take me to our local LGS. There I found a like new S&W 27-2 5 inch barrel. Well I did not even haggle. I just bought it for $700.00. Well that was many years ago and I still have the Model 27-2. If I get to feeling bad. I get it out of the safe and I admire it. It makes me feel better. But I still miss my Marlboro reds, beer. I am alive though and intend to stay that way. There are more S&W's to buy. Live is good to me.
I miss the Marlboro greens.
I thought after having a heart attack at 45 I should quit smoking.
Here's my 5" M27-2 shipped September 4, 1975.
This to me this is a beautiful S&W.
One of my keepers.
It was shipped with smooth Target stocks and my brother replaced
them with these beautiful Presentation grips.
He wore this to his Police Academy Graduation and when he was
on assignment with the Secret Service to guard President Reagan
during one of his visits to Salt Lake City.
If you love shooting HOT .357 Magnum loads get a Model 27.
They live for them.
lppd4
Member
I agree 19 for carry alot shoot a little and the 27 5" if you want to go first class
TheHobbyist
Member
Cool post. Thank you.
Fellow hunter here and I generally use either a Model 29-2 or -3 or a Model 27-2. I don't think you could really go wrong, but for me personally, I like the N frame a touch more. It is up to you on preference. I have a good long-time friend that is a huge fan of the 19 and basically just collects and uses them for everything.
I hope the following will help or ease the 'mindset' and is just my opinion and worth the price you paid for it, but: Consider getting an older 27. Pay for it now and don't look back. Use the darn thing and don't worry about wear, this is now just a tool to use for hunting (like any other hunting gun).
When you get bluing loss, just laugh and say who cares. As long as you take good mechanical condition of the tool, have comfort with hitting the target reliably at 25, 50 or 75 yards...just run with it. You can always touch up the bluing if you really want; for yourself only, as it is not a gun 'for sale'.
Hope I was articulate enough with the thought process. Basically, a hunting gun is a hunting gun and any dings, knicks or scratches are just a part of it. Most important to enjoy your time safely in the woods and make memories and hopefully get rewarded with good food that you can share with family and friends.
Best to you and yours, TH.
Fellow hunter here and I generally use either a Model 29-2 or -3 or a Model 27-2. I don't think you could really go wrong, but for me personally, I like the N frame a touch more. It is up to you on preference. I have a good long-time friend that is a huge fan of the 19 and basically just collects and uses them for everything.
I hope the following will help or ease the 'mindset' and is just my opinion and worth the price you paid for it, but: Consider getting an older 27. Pay for it now and don't look back. Use the darn thing and don't worry about wear, this is now just a tool to use for hunting (like any other hunting gun).
When you get bluing loss, just laugh and say who cares. As long as you take good mechanical condition of the tool, have comfort with hitting the target reliably at 25, 50 or 75 yards...just run with it. You can always touch up the bluing if you really want; for yourself only, as it is not a gun 'for sale'.
Hope I was articulate enough with the thought process. Basically, a hunting gun is a hunting gun and any dings, knicks or scratches are just a part of it. Most important to enjoy your time safely in the woods and make memories and hopefully get rewarded with good food that you can share with family and friends.
Best to you and yours, TH.
Thanks hobbyist and everybody else and if I were to follow your logic though then I'd be better off to get a model 28 6 inch barrel
From what I understand mechanically an accuracy wise they are every bit as good as a model 27
Is that true?
But if I were going to do that I think I would just go ahead and get the new model 27 classic
I'll check the auction sites and gun shops and see if something comes my way
Maybe something I have to let find me especially given how insane the prices are in the market for Old model 27s right now
I cannot imagine that functionally a new model classic 27 is that much worse but then again it all the pens on how much I want that 5 inch barrel
From what I understand mechanically an accuracy wise they are every bit as good as a model 27
Is that true?
But if I were going to do that I think I would just go ahead and get the new model 27 classic
I'll check the auction sites and gun shops and see if something comes my way
Maybe something I have to let find me especially given how insane the prices are in the market for Old model 27s right now
I cannot imagine that functionally a new model classic 27 is that much worse but then again it all the pens on how much I want that 5 inch barrel
Engine49guy
Member
The only purpose built S&W .357 is the "L" frame..... period end of story.
When the round was first introduced in the 1930's S&W had to put it in the larger "N" frame (usually reserved for calibers starting with the number "4", such as .44, .45, .455 etc) because the K frame was not yet up to the task...
FF to 1955 when more modern heat treating technology allowed S&W to chamber the smaller "K" frame in .357 Magnum (btw the K frame was purpose built for calibers starting with the number "3" , .32, .38 etc).
In time they discovered that the K magnums Achilles heel was its forcing cone flat spot at the 6 o clock position was prone to cracking with light fast loads.
(IIRC the new K magnums have a different barrel frame design eliminating this weakness).
The "L" frame was purpose built to solve the K Magnum problem.
On the range the larger N frame cylinder spins up slower making it easier to control in DA IMO.
The K Magnum placed the power of the .357 in a much smaller package for ease of carry which is moot today since its now available in the much smaller J frame..
It's really all about what you prefer...
IMO the S&W .357 evolution high water mark was the 7 shot pre MIM, pre IL 686-4 , a close second is the pre IL 686-5 mountain gun.
When the round was first introduced in the 1930's S&W had to put it in the larger "N" frame (usually reserved for calibers starting with the number "4", such as .44, .45, .455 etc) because the K frame was not yet up to the task...
FF to 1955 when more modern heat treating technology allowed S&W to chamber the smaller "K" frame in .357 Magnum (btw the K frame was purpose built for calibers starting with the number "3" , .32, .38 etc).
In time they discovered that the K magnums Achilles heel was its forcing cone flat spot at the 6 o clock position was prone to cracking with light fast loads.
(IIRC the new K magnums have a different barrel frame design eliminating this weakness).
The "L" frame was purpose built to solve the K Magnum problem.
On the range the larger N frame cylinder spins up slower making it easier to control in DA IMO.
The K Magnum placed the power of the .357 in a much smaller package for ease of carry which is moot today since its now available in the much smaller J frame..
It's really all about what you prefer...
IMO the S&W .357 evolution high water mark was the 7 shot pre MIM, pre IL 686-4 , a close second is the pre IL 686-5 mountain gun.
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The Model 28 was an "economy" version of the Model 27. Mechanically and functionally, they are identical. The Model 28 was not available in the wide array of barrel lengths like the Model 27, did not have a highly polished blue or nickel finish, but was satin blue, did not have the checkering on the top strap, and the front sight was always the Baughman ramp. Target trigger, target hammer, and target stops were extra cost options on the Model 28.
bananaman
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kas9412
Member
I have models 19,66,327 trr8, and a pre-27. I have longer fingers, so I find that I shoot the 27's better because my trigger finger is better positioned. Both the 327 trr8 and the pre-27 have five inch barrels which is my favorite, and of course, the trr8 comes with a rail, on which I have placed a red dot, that I need due to OGS (Old Geezer Syndrome).
So the 327 trr8 has become my favorite .38./357 shooter . I also love the pre-27, primarily because it is a birth year gun gun for me. It is in great shape so I don't shoot it very often, but typically around our birthday! Good luck with your decision...
kas
So the 327 trr8 has become my favorite .38./357 shooter . I also love the pre-27, primarily because it is a birth year gun gun for me. It is in great shape so I don't shoot it very often, but typically around our birthday! Good luck with your decision...
kas
I never had much luck searching for a particular gun. I usually just buy something that comes along and peaks my interest at that time. I do own 3 pre Model 27s and really like them. None are perfect by any standard but are fun to shoot. I guess I'm saying don't limit yourself, buy what feels right when the opportunity presents itself.
BigBill
Absent Comrade
Choices too many choices. I like the 6" barrels in m27-2 blue, the m27-2 nickel. The m28/m28-2 in blue. Grab what you can for the right price. Grab what ever shows up. Life's too short.
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