Model 60 Trigger Question

[TampaSW]

I took my mother shopping for a defensive handgun today. I was able to convince her that a revolver would be more appropriate given her zero experience level. Here's the rub. She really likes the Model 60 (size, weight, recoil, etc.) but she has trouble pulling the trigger smoothly. Mom is a little Greek lady and has some hand issues. I assume that the trigger can be tweaked/tuned to be a little easier to pull without compromising safety??

She shot my Ruger LCR and was very comfortable with the trigger but found it to be a little too, how shall I say, "active?"

Thanks for your advice.

 

[M3Stuart]

Just curious; by "active" do you mean that it had too much recoil for her? Has she shot both?

Because if that is the issue, I am not sure there would be much, if any, less recoil with a model 60 - IMHO.

 

[TampaSW]

She actually shot the LCR pretty well. The LCR tends to bite a litte. Not so much that the recoil throws the gun around, but it can get uncomfortable moving around in the hands.

We could not get our hands on a model 60. She shot an Airweight and did not like it - again, more trigger than anything.

I'd appreciate other opinions as well. I am looking for a gun that will be comfortable enough for her to practice with. I do not expect her to hit the range for fun, but I want her to be comfortable enough to get proficient.

Also, while mostly for home use, she will carry in her purse occasionally, so weight/size is somewhat important.

 

[mg357]

have you thought about getting her a s&w model 63 .22 caliber revolver to train and practice with? once she become a good shot with the 63 you could sell it off and use the money to buy her a model 60.

 

[TampaSW]

Good suggestion on the .22. The big issue I am trying to solve, however is her difficulty in pulling the trigger. If others do not believe the recoil will be much different between the LCR and Model 60, then this is a moot point and I will get her an LCR. Again, she shot it well with laser grips.

 

[OKFC05]

I assume that the trigger can be tweaked/tuned to be a little easier to pull without compromising safety??

On a J frame, smoother, yes, but not all that much lighter; not like a K-L frame.

 

[Pisgah]

IMO, a J-frame trigger action can be substantially smoothed, but lightening the pull is a crapshoot. J-frames are just mighty sensitive to spring changes, and a wee change in the mainspring can lead to misfires.

If she has no trouble with the LCR trgger, you might try it with some wadcutter target loads. The recoil is less, and while it won't perform on a par with hot +P self-defense ammo it is nothing to sneer at -- certainly more formidable than, say, a .22 or .32 Long.

 

[NiklasP]

Another idea re Ruger LCR is to have her try 357 Mag version, which is a few oz heaver, but, use 38 Spl full wad cutter loads or standard pressure 38 Spl semiwadcutter loads or standard pressure 125 grain loads.

She would not be first shooter than found that a more comfortable combination than regular, 38 spl LCR.

On any J-frame, cleaning all crud out of working parts, lots of dry firing to smooth working parts, good lube can go a long ways to making DA trigger pull much easier. My M60 smoothed up hugely from 100s and 100s of dry firings -- but after I cleaned it, after all that dry firing, there was another nice decrease in effort.

Niklas

 

[HiCap]

Also, a change in the return spring will help. I lowered my DA pull from 14# plus to 11#. Heavy but smooth.

HiCap

 

[BarkSlayer]

Any decent gunsmith can lighten the pull on a model 60 and they can be smoothed out considerably. IMO, the 60 is an excellent choice for carry.

 

[Hondo44]

I agree with Barkslayer. I 'fixed' several J frames to the satisfaction of their women owner/shooters.

First thing is to remove all the internal parts if you know how to work on these, with a book in front of you to show where to polish and where not too! The SS guns have more of a problem with roughness new off the shelf. Trigger rebound block, both sides of cylinder stop, contact points on trigger, hammer and DA sear but not the single action cocking notch!

Then get a spring kit and start with the lowest pressure springs 1st, both hammer amd trigger rebound springs. Test for misfires and increase to next stronger springs if needed. Or take to gunsmith and tell him that's what you want done.

Stay away from the light frames, obviously they kick way too much but secondly the springs are STRONGER because of misfire problems with the lack of resistance due to the lesser frame weight!

 

[Black_Sheep]

I believe a j frame trigger can be improved alot by carefully stoning the action and installing a slightly lighter rebound spring. The slickest trigger in my modest S&W collection is a 60-14 with the stock rebound and hammer springs, it so smooth that the DA trigger pull feels much lighter. My wife is a novice but she shoots the 60 pretty well yet struggles with the trigger on her Model 37. It can make that much difference.

Reliability isn't an issue, trigger reset is very positive and the full strength mainspring makes it go bang every time.

 

[snuf]

Good suggestion on the .22. The big issue I am trying to solve, however is her difficulty in pulling the trigger. If others do not believe the recoil will be much different between the LCR and Model 60, then this is a moot point and I will get her an LCR. Again, she shot it well with laser grips.

I'm going to bring up another angle to this equation:
Some find there is a marked difference in felt recoil between the CT laser grips and the Hogue "Tammer" grips that come standard on the LCR.
They're called "Tammers" for a reason.

 

[BoulderTroll]

I know what you mean about the "active" aspect of a semi-auto. I learned to shoot on semi-autos, but I recently took my buddy's girlfirend shooting for the first time (he came as well). She'd never held a real firearm before. She shot a Glock 19, my new Model 60 Pro, my 1911, and an MP5. The MP5 was of course her favorite because of the almost total lack of recoil. The Glock 19 was her least favorite, because it had the most "felt" recoil of the lot, even more than the steel-framed 1911 in .45.

Of the handguns, her favorite was the Model 60. Even with 38+P's she handled it the best. What a lot of us seem to forget, as experienced shooters, is that the auot-loaders have a lot of movement. The slide blowing back and the shell casing flying out, while nothing we even think about, is a lot of violence for a new shooter. She said, "it felt like it was exploding in my hand every time I shot". The revolver, with no moving slide or ejecting brass, was less intimidating.

 

[H Richard]

The Mod 6 can be smoothed up which will give the "feel" of a much lighter trigger. I never replace the main spring, but do put a lighter rebound spring in. Stoning in the appropriate places makes all the difference, as well as correct lubrication. One thing I also do which make the 60 easier to shoot (double action) is to grind the grooves out of the trigger and contour and polish it. Better fitting grips also make a big difference.

 

[TampaSW]

Thanks for all the help and suggestions, guys.

 

[Stainz]

My 3" 60 Pro, new this past January, came NIB with a good trigger - and it got even better after breakin. No ftf's, either. My wife shoots .38 Special +P 158gr LHPSWC's from it like they were wimpy plinkers!

I have to second the .38 Special 148gr wadcutter (target) load suggestion. It'll make that LCR (or an Airweight - like a 637/642) shootable by nearly anyone. No, it won't stop a charging cape buffalo, but it will leave a nasty full sized wound channel - with it's low recoil enabling the shooter to follow up quickly.

Stainz

 

[Posit]

As above. My model 60-15, 3" barrel (rated as .357) shoots .38 special very gently - much easier on the hand than the LCR I used to have. Trigger is excellent SA, very good DA.

 

[jcgrant2]

Seems a shame that a wheel gun is the only way to go. The first thing that came to mind reading your post, and the problems your mom has with the trigger of revolvers is what I carry a lot down here in the tropics of Florida;that is my little Sig p238. Good trigger, mechanically sound, very little kick, accurate, and, for me, trouble free. I have shot over 1k of all brands of ammo with nary a hiccup.
I have a no-dash 60, and as smooth as the trigger may be it could still be too much for a little lady to be comfortable with.
Just a thought. Much luck to you and mom finding something suitable.

jc

 

[airman]

I lightened the pull with a Wolff return spring. Changing the hammer spring was a risk I didn't want to take on. smoothing up the innards helped. Dry-firing helped. I think I have this J-frame as good as it's going to get.