Model 929 PC (new for 2014)

[forrestinmathews]

Bull....

A LOT of ICORE and USPSA shooters have been clamoring for an 8-shot 9mm revolver (like the M627.)

Many, including myself, have been using .38 Short Colt brass in the M627 - with great results.

As for Jerry M, well, he is still the greatest although there are a few great shooters right on his heels!

Remember, in ICORE there is NO Major PF.

The great debate (USPSA) is "how will 8-shot Minor PF stack up against 6-shot Major PF?" Beginning in February, we'll see!

Forgive me, I'm just some idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about. He walked away from his signature grips for the X frame grips...because of sore hands. He's seen in videos with the tennis elbow brace on. Major is no joke when you're shooting 50,000 plus rounds a year and he was probably doing that 3 or 4 times over. Now the eight shot comes through and he's got a signature gun? C'mon.

Matt Griffin, Cliff Walsh, and Ricardo Lopez are all better shooters, but don't seem to have the luck and doubles that he does. Remember when Olhasso's target got pulled? Enough said there.

ICORE? We don't seem to have that much in VA and NC where I'm shooting. It's a neat game, but seems to be stronger on the west coast. 120 PF perfect for a 9mm. This isn't the reason this gun came out. They are expecting everyone to switch to 8 shot minor in USPSA and it will reload smoother and faster than a .357.

There is no debate in 8 minor vs. 6 major for USPSA. The arrays are eight shot friendly. No standing reloads. That's a reload per array if you have a straight eight shot arrays. Five reloads to three in a field course? That's six seconds or more depending on how tight or long the shots are. Revolver shooters all shoot well above C class. The delineators are foot work, stage breakdown and the smoothness of the reload. The eight shot can shoot a six shot plan and have makeups or he can run an eight shot plan and leave you in the dust on the hit factor over just a few stages if you figure an A a second average. He can get points that aren't worth it for a six shot competitor to reload for. Best of luck.

 

[625 Shooter]

Sorry. No one called you an "idiot."

My point was/is that a LOT of shooters have been asking for the 8-shot in 9mm for a long time. It just makes sense.

Of course there are some super shooters that are right up there with Jerry.

As I mentioned, many are already using "virtually" the same thing as the 9mm - the .38 Short Colt. Am I interested in the 9mm 8-shot? Sure. But won't be a priority for me as I already am set up with the M627 and .38 Short Colt (which is, for lack of a better term, virtually a rimmed 9mm) and $$$ is always an issue!

You are no doubt correct about the 6- versus 8-shot arrays.

A look at the currently registered USPSA Revolver Nationals shooters shows there are a LOT of Major shooters signed up. Will some of them switch to Minor when they get there? Perhaps; maybe even probably. We'll see. It will be interesting.

Scoring Minor will be a downside, but as you mentioned, might very well be offset by number of reloads required. At the Nationals, a LOT will depend on the arrays.

 

[bombmaster]

This gun is strictly a game gun built for Jerry Miculek because he's getting too old to shoot major. That's why the sport went to an 8 shot minor along with some Bravo Sierra about getting more shooters into the sport.

You lost me at "That's why the sport went to 8 shot"

For 21 years Jerry Has been World Champion at a revolver sport that has already allowed 8 shots of major or minor. This gun is not a result of anything USPSA is doing, going to do, or done.... This one just fell into the few USPSA shooters laps at a perfect time.

Some of you who know nothing other than USPSA will want to make claim to this gun, however I assure you. USPSA and their 46 revolver shooters had nothing to do with this.

 

[bombmaster]

Yes it will be that good.

Broached cut 1/10 barrel

The NEW Smith & Wesson 929 Jerry Miculek Pro Series 9mm revolver! - YouTube

 

[BlueOvalBandit]

Yes it will be that good.

Broached cut 1/10 barrel

The NEW Smith & Wesson 929 Jerry Miculek Pro Series 9mm revolver! - YouTube

Just saw that, I will take 3.

USPSA and their 46 revolver shooters had nothing to do with this.

HAHAHA, sad but true. Revolver is the only division where I can consistently come in first place or 2nd on a bad day when I have a competitor at the local club.

 

[forrestinmathews]

My point was/is that a LOT of shooters have been asking for the 8-shot in 9mm for a long time. It just makes sense.
As I mentioned, many are already using "virtually" the same thing as the 9mm - the .38 Short Colt. Am I interested in the 9mm 8-shot? Sure. But won't be a priority for me as I already am set up with the M627 and .38 Short Colt (which is, for lack of a better term, virtually a rimmed 9mm) and $$$ is always an issue!

You are no doubt correct about the 6- versus 8-shot arrays.

A look at the currently registered USPSA Revolver Nationals shooters shows there are a LOT of Major shooters signed up. Will some of them switch to Minor when they get there? Perhaps; maybe even probably. We'll see. It will be interesting.

Scoring Minor will be a downside, but as you mentioned, might very well be offset by number of reloads required. At the Nationals, a LOT will depend on the arrays.

The 9mm makes best sense from the moonclip, brass cost, powder efficiency, and reload speed standpoints. The extractor groove is SAAMI spec'd. It's considerably cheaper to get brass. The case is smaller and uses powder more efficiently and the pointy 9mm bullets find the hole very easily.
As it will likely be the same COF as Singlestack, the eight shots will reign supreme. I don't feel like scoring minor is a downside at all because the time saved will offset the odd Charlie. Likely the better shooters will see what looks better for breakdowns, 8 or 6 and have both on hand.

You lost me at "That's why the sport went to 8 shot"
For 21 years Jerry Has been World Champion at a revolver sport that has already allowed 8 shots of minor(major is neither recognized nor rewarded in ICORE). This gun is not a result of anything USPSA is doing, going to do, or done.... This one just fell into the few USPSA shooters laps at a perfect time.
Some of you who know nothing other than USPSA will want to make claim to this gun, however I assure you. USPSA and their 46 revolver shooters had nothing to do with this.

ICORE isn't very popular out east...the only club in my state closed up three years ago. So how about that? I have thought for sometime now ICORE has stood for In California Only Revolvers Endure. You can't be serious with the statement that this gun just happened to be timed well for USPSA and was really S&W listening to ICORE shooters. The most competitive gun in USPSA was the 5" 625, which has not been offered for sometime now by Smith. They only offer the idpa legal version which, while a great gun, doesn't find the favor in the winner's circle and is an even more laughable market than the 46 USPSA shooters. So with that all being said and the new 8-shot minor coming into effect they decided to finally field a 9mm offering. Yes it's ported and you can shoot open in ICORE provided you can make enough gas to run the comp. Or you can shoot steel challenge with it. It's a very versatile gun, but nobody listened to the ICORE folks until it was a great time for USPSA shooters to buy a new wheel gun. You guys were happy enough with the .357/.38's

 

[magnaportssk]

I want one to shoot for fun, plain and simple. I have two multi-caliber wheel guns, shooting them is fun. Versatile home defense/carry guns, too.

Heck, I might squirrel hunt with it!!

 

[Avery11]

Will the Titanium cylinder have problems? I seem to recall reading about erosion issues with these.

 

[625 Shooter]

ForrestinMathews,

Maybe. But maybe NOT.

The USPSA 8-shot announcement is a fairly recent announcement.

It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, the 8-shot 9mm 929 was 'in the works' prior to its recent announcement.

Your prediction is duly noted. Many others have opined similarly. I reckon we'll wait and see. USPSA 8-shot rule becomes effective Feb 1. The Revolver Nationals match is May 4.

Not sure why ICORE isn't as popular in your area. Too bad as its a great sport also. And seems to be growing.

I think your comment about "the 46 USPSA revolver shooters" is off base and uncalled for. True, its not a large division. But when they had the stand alone Revolver Nationals last year, there was a huge increase in registered shooters.

At any rate, who cares? The 929 should be a great revolver!

 

[forrestinmathews]

ForrestinMathews,

The USPSA 8-shot announcement is a fairly recent announcement.

Not sure why ICORE isn't as popular in your area. Too bad as its a great sport also. And seems to be growing.

I think your comment about "the 46 USPSA revolver shooters" is off base and uncalled for.

At any rate, who cares? The 929 should be a great revolver!

The eight shot movement had sufficient momentum the minute it left the rumor mill. It was driven by industry, which always wins.

ICORE was the first shooting organization I became a life member of in an attempt to keep it strong in my area. Very sad that it did not work.

Bombmaster coined the 46 shooters. Not me.

We will definitely see how cool the 929 will be!

 

[colt_saa]

If they put a .357" barrel on it, then it will be disappointing.

Why do you have that belief?

 

[colt_saa]

I love those sights who makes them?

Those are the LPA sights

http://www.lpasights.com/en/product...duct_id=153&category_id=32&manufacturer_id=24

 

[625 Shooter]

Why do you have that belief?

Although I've not tried it, many say (and it stands to reason) accuracy can suffer when you shoot a .355" bullet down a .357" barrel.

 

[colt_saa]

Although I've not tried it, many say (and it stands to reason) accuracy can suffer when you shoot a .355" bullet down a .357" barrel.

I have tried it, with many converted revolvers. Including the 627 pictured above, several J-frames and others from different manufacturers

Many get confused with the different concepts of bore diameter and groove diameter

Accuracy is mostly a function of the spin imparted on the projectile. As long as the rifling engages the projectile and makes it spin, accuracy will be good, especially with jacketed projectiles. This is where groove diameter is important.

This is why heavy leaded barrels have poor accuracy. The lead has filed the gap between bore and groove creating essentially a smoothbore. So spin is no longer imparted on the projectile.

 

[625 Shooter]

Roger that. Not much argument from me.

I do understand. After all, my Single Six shoot pretty darned accurate with both the .22 LR and .22 WMR cylinders, and those bullets are of different diameters. Same for the Blackhawk convertibles, .357/9mm, etc; I've heard of good accuracy.

So, you've not had any accuracy nor fouling problems with shooting .355" bullets down a .357" bore?

Obviously there is a limit somewhere. In extreme cases, with gases rushing past the bullet as it rattles down the bore, accuracy can't be good!

 

[Swed]

Product: Model 929

Product: Model 986


There are two 9mm revolvers on Smith & Wesson now

 

[bombmaster]

For those that wont make it to SHOT here is a shot my buddy took of the left side. The 1/10 broach cut will make this pronominal for shooting all weights of .355 sized bullets.

 

[missiondude]

I would buy in a second if this were a 5" offering. It may take me a minute since it is 6-1/2" I have been shooting 9mm out of my 627-4 with good results, but I really like the looks of the new 929.

 

[Ignatz]

Hack the barrel down to 5"!!! Done right, everyone would think it was a factory prototype!
Sight radius-wise, its closer to a 6" gun, because 1/2" of the barrel is reaching for the shorter cylinder. Order one! I can't wait to get the call that mine is in.

 

[625 Shooter]

Not only is an N-Frame, 8 shot, 9mm a very bad set up that I have no use for at all, this thing is as ugly as the new Ruger that got its on ugly thread on this site somewhere.

"... an N-Frame, 8 shot, 9mm a very bad set up ..."

That is an interesting statement.

Especially in view of the fact that many, MANY competition shooters have been clamoring for it for years.

Hypothetical question: If you hunt with a rifle, would you call a $3000 benchrest rifle a "bad set up" and "ugly"?